Re: [Audyssey] MOTA questions
Hi Charles, Hmm...To be honest I haven't decided. Since they were released to the general public and there are no legal restrictions I suppose if you want to keep them and continue playing them go ahead and do so. Although, the games themselves are technically abandonware now the sounds, music, characters, etc are still the property of USA Games and will be used in Ark of Hope so as long as people don't take my intellectual property rights I'm fine with people playing the old betas. Basically, I am not going to support them, but I am not going to be a jerk and say don't play them either. Cheers! On 5/3/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Tom: What should, and what should we not, do with the MOTA betas? Thanks. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA was Game Concepts
Hi Thomas, While Mysteries of the Ancients might not be finished yet, I'd like to ask a few questions. As you said James North prematurely allowed preorders for his games. But when you took over and got to Beta 7 of Montezuma's Revenge, it also became possible to buy it. I did so and thus I have a legal registration key for the last Monti versions. What I'd like to know is how will you handle the customers who originally ordered your Monti because Mota replaces Monti once the RC1 version of Mota comes out. And I also like to know more of the Mota 3d version and if you can tell us more about the things it has which the 2d version doesn't have. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA was Game Concepts
how much is the game and where can i find it. On 11/19/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Thomas, While Mysteries of the Ancients might not be finished yet, I'd like to ask a few questions. As you said James North prematurely allowed preorders for his games. But when you took over and got to Beta 7 of Montezuma's Revenge, it also became possible to buy it. I did so and thus I have a legal registration key for the last Monti versions. What I'd like to know is how will you handle the customers who originally ordered your Monti because Mota replaces Monti once the RC1 version of Mota comes out. And I also like to know more of the Mota 3d version and if you can tell us more about the things it has which the 2d version doesn't have. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA was Game Concepts
Hi Michael, Sure no problem. Basically, it is like this. As far as preorders goes we will still honor all of the orders taken for Montezuma's Revenge. What we will be doing is shipping keys for Mysteries of the Ancients---the side-scroller version=--as replacement for Montezuma's Revenge. This I believe will settle our accounts with those customers. As far as Mysteries of the Ancients 3D goes the game storey is identical to the original 2d side-scroller version, but the game play elements are fairly different. For starts it has a full 3d environment which means you have six primary directions of movement up, down, left, right, forward, and backward. Plus everything in between. What this means for you, the gamer, is there is a lot of extra freedom of movement not possible in a side-scroller. For instance, you can walk forward/backward, sidestep left or right, or turn in place. You can jump forward, perform a backflip off a ledge, or safety drop from a rope. You can press something like control+space+up arrow to deliver a high flying kick to an enemy. Basically, the potential to move and fight is far more realistic than any 2d environment. Other differences to note is that because the environment is full 3d flying enemies like bats and harpies are up in the air and will attempt to attack you from above. In order to kill them you will have to use the page up/down keys to raise/lower the weapon you are using and use the left/right arrow keys to aim. This is slightly more tricky than something like Shades of Doom, but I personally like the extra challenge in using a 3d targeting system rather than just face left/right and shoot. Another advantage/feature here is the levels are larger. A 3d environment allows for more rooms, secret areas, etc which allows me to create more complex mazes. For anyone interested in mazes and tricky traps this has more to offer than the 2d levels which are less maze-like. Finally, I will likely add more content to the 3d version as time goes buy. Maybe extra trophies, regular updates, bonus levels, etc. Basically, something to hopefully convince regular MOTA users to upgrade. Cheers! On 11/19/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Thomas, While Mysteries of the Ancients might not be finished yet, I'd like to ask a few questions. As you said James North prematurely allowed preorders for his games. But when you took over and got to Beta 7 of Montezuma's Revenge, it also became possible to buy it. I did so and thus I have a legal registration key for the last Monti versions. What I'd like to know is how will you handle the customers who originally ordered your Monti because Mota replaces Monti once the RC1 version of Mota comes out. And I also like to know more of the Mota 3d version and if you can tell us more about the things it has which the 2d version doesn't have. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA was Game Concepts
Hi, Its currently not for sale. However, Mysteries of the ancients can be found at http://www.usagamesinteractive.com/mota.php On 11/19/11, lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com wrote: how much is the game and where can i find it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA was Game Concepts
Hi Thomas, I'll await the rc version of standard Mota first. Once it is here and I can look into it more than the first two levels of the last beta versions, I'll probably try the 3d version out, once anything playable of it is released. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
wel, when a harpy poisons me I just hope there's a potion in the necst room. I then tel my self 'necst room there is a potion. necst... room...' and mostly I die. - Original Message - From: gamers-requ...@audyssey.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Gamers Digest, Vol 67, Issue 85 Send Gamers mailing list submissions to gamers@audyssey.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gamers-requ...@audyssey.org You can reach the person managing the list at gamers-ow...@audyssey.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gamers digest... Today's Topics: 1. trying to contact thomas ward (alex wallis) 2. Re: trying to contact thomas ward (Thomas Ward) 3. Re: MOTA question (Charles Rivard) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:20:43 +0100 From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] trying to contact thomas ward Message-ID: 4e807c2b.1000...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Thomas, I am trying to contact you, in your capacity as moderator of the gamers list, I am seeking permission to post a particular message, I am wondering, did you get my message I sent you yesterday? I have been having a few issues with e mails not reaching people recently, so thought I would mail the gamers list and ask if you received it, I sent it to your gmail address. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:27:56 -0400 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] trying to contact thomas ward Message-ID: caafbg10cb8mlnlkofea3hlyqvxhvrt55h+mlvwtirxg4fn7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Alex, Sorry. I did get your message, but haven't made an official decision on it as yet. It really has nothing to do with gaming which means it would technically be off topic, but I also understand your reasons why you are asking. Its for that reason I'm trying to see if there is a better alternative to posting an off topic message to the list which would go against guidelines. On 9/26/11, alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Thomas, I am trying to contact you, in your capacity as moderator of the gamers list, I am seeking permission to post a particular message, I am wondering, did you get my message I sent you yesterday? I have been having a few issues with e mails not reaching people recently, so thought I would mail the gamers list and ask if you received it, I sent it to your gmail address. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:33:29 -0500 From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Message-ID: CD6A8D6ADBB0475BA40CE2998A286E82@D4FY50L1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response This is where some device for making voice notes can come in handy. Anything from, say, a tape recorder to a PlexTalk Plus would do the job. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question I personally don't ever use room numbers, so I'm extrapalating info from his discriptions of what he's doing. I will say however, that it can be really hard to type out an email at the same time (if you use jaws or don't have multiple computers to do it on, anyway) as playing the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- --- Gamers mailing list
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
Hi Connor, That's one of the challenges of the game. Potions are randomly placed at the beginning of the level so you will never know where they are or when you will find one. The best thing to do is avoid the harpies if you can or kill them before they get you. Cheers! On 10/15/11, Connor Moser connor.mo...@aon.at wrote: wel, when a harpy poisons me I just hope there's a potion in the necst room. I then tel my self 'necst room there is a potion. necst... room...' and mostly I die. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, True, but a person could just as well use the tools they are given such as r for room number and x to get the character's coordinates on the map. That's what they are there for, but unfortunately some testers ignore the tools they are given and expect me to figure things out based on description alone instead of specific information that is only a key or two away. That is perhaps the most frustrating part of doing beta testing with the general public is not everyone makes a good tester and overlook the obvious information that can make or break an easy fix. Cheers! On 9/26/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: This is where some device for making voice notes can come in handy. Anything from, say, a tape recorder to a PlexTalk Plus would do the job. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
This is where some device for making voice notes can come in handy. Anything from, say, a tape recorder to a PlexTalk Plus would do the job. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question I personally don't ever use room numbers, so I'm extrapalating info from his discriptions of what he's doing. I will say however, that it can be really hard to type out an email at the same time (if you use jaws or don't have multiple computers to do it on, anyway) as playing the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
What level are you talking about? It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA question The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
I'm still in the first level. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question What level are you talking about? It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA question The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Curt, Could you be more specific where you are in the game? Like what level and what room number specifically. I'm afraid I don't know where you are by your description. On level one the spikes aren't anywhere but room 19 which isn't even close to the rope. On level 2 I think they are in like room 16 and room 19. Again not near any ropes. So it sounds to me like you aren't making much sense here. On 9/22/11, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My only guess is that he's talking about the room left of the chasm in level two, though I couldn't really figure out what was going wrong. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't remember any chasms like that in level 1. It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question I'm still in the first level. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question What level are you talking about? It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA question The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My guess is he just isn't jumping far enough. It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question My only guess is that he's talking about the room left of the chasm in level two, though I couldn't really figure out what was going wrong. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, okay, I'm currently in room 21 past the spikes fixing to remove the statue. And just killed whatever that was. Sorry I keep forgetting. I just went to room 1 and, picked up some items. Okay, I made it to room 5 with the rope. I'm about to pull the lever after I'm healed. Okay, I'm currently in room 8. I just went down the stairs. When I go to the left and here her say, watch it, that's where I dye. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Hi Curt, Could you be more specific where you are in the game? Like what level and what room number specifically. I'm afraid I don't know where you are by your description. On level one the spikes aren't anywhere but room 19 which isn't even close to the rope. On level 2 I think they are in like room 16 and room 19. Again not near any ropes. So it sounds to me like you aren't making much sense here. On 9/22/11, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
No offense but that was even more confusing. It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Hi, okay, I'm currently in room 21 past the spikes fixing to remove the statue. And just killed whatever that was. Sorry I keep forgetting. I just went to room 1 and, picked up some items. Okay, I made it to room 5 with the rope. I'm about to pull the lever after I'm healed. Okay, I'm currently in room 8. I just went down the stairs. When I go to the left and here her say, watch it, that's where I dye. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Hi Curt, Could you be more specific where you are in the game? Like what level and what room number specifically. I'm afraid I don't know where you are by your description. On level one the spikes aren't anywhere but room 19 which isn't even close to the rope. On level 2 I think they are in like room 16 and room 19. Again not near any ropes. So it sounds to me like you aren't making much sense here. On 9/22/11, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
Sorry, Thomas just wanted more information such as the room number. So I thought I would play while trying to write where I was. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question No offense but that was even more confusing. It's hard for me to turn on that radio when I'm at home. 'Cuz every song has got some Autotune. - Original Message - From: Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Hi, okay, I'm currently in room 21 past the spikes fixing to remove the statue. And just killed whatever that was. Sorry I keep forgetting. I just went to room 1 and, picked up some items. Okay, I made it to room 5 with the rope. I'm about to pull the lever after I'm healed. Okay, I'm currently in room 8. I just went down the stairs. When I go to the left and here her say, watch it, that's where I dye. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question Hi Curt, Could you be more specific where you are in the game? Like what level and what room number specifically. I'm afraid I don't know where you are by your description. On level one the spikes aren't anywhere but room 19 which isn't even close to the rope. On level 2 I think they are in like room 16 and room 19. Again not near any ropes. So it sounds to me like you aren't making much sense here. On 9/22/11, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: The part of the game where you jump over the first spikes then you go into the room where you have to pull the lever then walk to the left of the rope then down the stairs. Right before you get to the statue, how do you jump over that. The only indication is at your feet and, her saying watch. I always die their. I've tried jumping, I've tried running and jumping, but always wind up dying their. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ok, I've figured it out. What's happening is that your falling into a chasm only a few steps away from the statue. You have to holster your weapon and do a running jump. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Curt, No offence, but that's even more confusing. Room 8 is the room with the broken floor which you have to jump over to reach room 9. That's after you open the bronze statue in room 7. If you went left, back into room 7 and down the wooden staircase, that would bring you back into room 1. If you are in room 1 and move left you would run into a stone wall. Besides that there are no items in room 1. That's the room you start out in. Are you checking the rooms using the r key or guessing room numbers here? The reason I ask is your descriptions of things don't match the actual level map file. You are describing things that are in other rooms. So it sounds like you are guessing room numbers rather than actually using the r command to get room and location info. HTH On 9/22/11, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, okay, I'm currently in room 21 past the spikes fixing to remove the statue. And just killed whatever that was. Sorry I keep forgetting. I just went to room 1 and, picked up some items. Okay, I made it to room 5 with the rope. I'm about to pull the lever after I'm healed. Okay, I'm currently in room 8. I just went down the stairs. When I go to the left and here her say, watch it, that's where I dye. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA question
Hi, If that is true our friend Curt doesn't know his left from his right. If you open the bronze statue in room 7, and walk right you will find a large opening in the floor you need to jump over. That's right not left. On 9/22/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: Ok, I've figured it out. What's happening is that your falling into a chasm only a few steps away from the statue. You have to holster your weapon and do a running jump. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I personally don't ever use room numbers, so I'm extrapalating info from his discriptions of what he's doing. I will say however, that it can be really hard to type out an email at the same time (if you use jaws or don't have multiple computers to do it on, anyway) as playing the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi. Yeah, now that you put it in that light, talking about protecting others from potential copywrite infringements puts things in a new light too. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/23/2011 2:27 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Valiant, That kind of modding is understandable. Obviously lowering music to make the menus more understandable or raising the volume of a sound to make it a little louder is perfectly fine. You have a problem hearing and modding a game to make it easier to play isn't an issue for me. Its the other kind of modding that bothers me. For instance, not long ago someone mentioned they were creating a Star Wars mod for the game called Order 66, and asked if I could do something to make a light saber loop. In other words could I modify the game to support his mod. The answer was definitely no, because I'm creating a game on par with Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones, Rogue Angel, or something else in that genre and someone is happily converting my game into something completely different than what I had intended. Not only that he wasn't even aware of the fact the license agreement specifically forbids modding of that kind. The other issue we get into when talking about modding is copyright issues regarding sound effects. I have to pay royalties for the sounds and music I use in my games. So the sounds that ship with a game are provided under legal license for that purpose. However, if someone rips all the sounds from say Tomb Raider and creates a mod and redistributes them he/she could be held liable for redistribution of copyrighted material and/or copyright infringement. While I'd love to just drop the sounds of Lara Croft etc into my games that's not really legal, and anyone who does it is taking a legal risk. So by not allowing people to mod a game I not only protect my product I protect people from taking the risk of modding my games with illegal sounds and music. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi. Pretty happy to hear this. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for this one! cheers! If shades of doom is any indication of how I like fps games, I think mota 3d is going to shine for me. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/23/2011 2:32 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Valiant, Well, I don't think MOTA 3D should have a problem with your sound card. What I basically did in order to make it compatible with non-5.1 surround sound systems is emulate my own 3d positioning using the panning and volume settings in DirectSound. I.E. I used 3d calculations so the sound would pann and roll off like a 3d control, but using just standard stereo mixing and gain. That way it would sound fairly realistic, but not require state-of-the-art 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards and speakers. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. That is true, and I do so. But, as I just mentioned, it doesn't apply to the menus. In Mota, fortunately, the music is just quiet enough that it doesn't matter, I can figure out what Heather is saying over the music there luckily. Also I think you can change the volume of the music in Mota with a couple of hotkeys, I'm not sure just now what they are, though. So far Mota has been very good about not cluttering up the audio experience I would have. Also, it doesn't have that problem I emailed about earlier with my stereo field being too narrow, or what ever one should call my strange situation. I'm sincerely hoping Mota3d doesn't have that problem either. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Valiant, Let's hope it meets your expectations then. I myself prefer FPS over any other game format because of the fact levels are generally larger, there is more realistic movement, and for me it feels like I'm actually right there in the game. Especially, if you get the true 5.1/7.1 surround sound going. With side-scrollers, although they are easier to play, there is still a barrier of unreality about them. Walk right, jump a gap, pick up magic jewl, slay evil monster, continue right, etc. There is a constant progression to the right which was fine for the 80's 2d consoles like the NES and Super NES, but let's face it. This is 2011, and gaming platforms are powerful enough now to render true 3d worlds with a high degree of precision and reality. Its like, why not take advantage of it? Cheers! On 8/30/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. Pretty happy to hear this. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for this one! cheers! If shades of doom is any indication of how I like fps games, I think mota 3d is going to shine for me. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Michael, True, but what can I say? My guess is Paramount does the actual creation of the sounds or perhaps or owns or hires a team of sound effects engineers when they need sounds done for Star Trek or whatever else they might be working on. Most film companies has someone on retainer for that specific job. For instance, Lucasfilm uses Skywalker Sound for all of the Star Wars movies plus various other Lucas films and games. Lucas Arts which is owned by Lucasfilm LTD obviously licenses the sounds for the various Star Wars games directly from Skywalker Sound. I'm sure Paramount has some other similar arrangement with somebody I just don't know who. Cheers! On 8/27/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi again, And that's why I said I had performed my own search for sounds and found nothing. I know that the sounds of Elite Force were from Raven Software, but that doesn't say anything about their creator. And yes, some sounds of Star Trek Nemesis might be found within the Sound Storm Library, but I think that would have been to big and expensive for you... That thing consists of 50,000 sounds delivered on an external harddrive and costs $6,000!!! And we all know that the important sounds (explosions, impacts and weapons) of Nemesis are not really canon like in comparison to all other canon Trek sources. But that's a bit far away from the important things. I mean, why should a company create a licensed product to a protected name and theoretically could have all resources of that product at hand and do a half finished job by not using all the tools they could get. Of course, we could argue that money might be an issue, maybe that is so. But when you hahave two different fan production teams )one for mainly Trek fan films) and one for purely Trek fan audio dramas and they have better quality sounds than a big mainstream company, well I think then something is really not right. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi again, And that's why I said I had performed my own search for sounds and found nothing. I know that the sounds of Elite Force were from Raven Software, but that doesn't say anything about their creator. And yes, some sounds of Star Trek Nemesis might be found within the Sound Storm Library, but I think that would have been to big and expensive for you... That thing consists of 50,000 sounds delivered on an external harddrive and costs $6,000!!! And we all know that the important sounds (explosions, impacts and weapons) of Nemesis are not really canon like in comparison to all other canon Trek sources. But that's a bit far away from the important things. I mean, why should a company create a licensed product to a protected name and theoretically could have all resources of that product at hand and do a half finished job by not using all the tools they could get. Of course, we could argue that money might be an issue, maybe that is so. But when you hahave two different fan production teams )one for mainly Trek fan films) and one for purely Trek fan audio dramas and they have better quality sounds than a big mainstream company, well I think then something is really not right. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Thomas, I didn't want to bombard you with questions and I definitely don't want you to do work for me. I just wanted to know since you said you had the option of optaining such things had you bought a license for Star Trek games. And one last thing about sounds and libraries. I do know what www.sounddogs.com is for and that some of the greatest and most expensive libraries of sounds or production music can be bought there if you have the money. However, there is absolutely no Star Trek related sound information whatsoever on that portal which does host libraries from many different creators and/or distributors. There are supposedly some Trek related sounds (Star Trek Nemesis) in one of the large collections, but Nemesis not standard in Trek sounds in comparison to all other Trek movies and shows up to the point of the movie's release. I also can use google to search, but like the situation was when we talked about audio game engines namely the GMA engine, there is no sign which says: to optain a license for ... contact us at But since you theoretically could have had that kind of contact as a developer I thought you might be able to direct me to where I could find out myself. I can contact people and am willind to do so, when it is possible, but first I have to know where I have to go and who I should ask for some information. Hope that clears the matter up. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Google can be your friend like Thomas stated. At 04:02 AM 8/26/2011, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I didn't want to bombard you with questions and I definitely don't want you to do work for me. I just wanted to know since you said you had the option of optaining such things had you bought a license for Star Trek games. And one last thing about sounds and libraries. I do know what www.sounddogs.com is for and that some of the greatest and most expensive libraries of sounds or production music can be bought there if you have the money. However, there is absolutely no Star Trek related sound information whatsoever on that portal which does host libraries from many different creators and/or distributors. There are supposedly some Trek related sounds (Star Trek Nemesis) in one of the large collections, but Nemesis not standard in Trek sounds in comparison to all other Trek movies and shows up to the point of the movie's release. I also can use google to search, but like the situation was when we talked about audio game engines namely the GMA engine, there is no sign which says: to optain a license for ... contact us at But since you theoretically could have had that kind of contact as a developer I thought you might be able to direct me to where I could find out myself. I can contact people and am willind to do so, when it is possible, but first I have to know where I have to go and who I should ask for some information. Hope that clears the matter up. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Michael, I understand. I also apologize for being a bit short with you yesterday. I don't know specifically who creates and sells the Star Trek sounds but in looking at games like Star Trek Elite Force and Elite Force II it looks like Activision obtained the sounds from Raven Software. I don't know if that's who Activision got the sounds from or if Raven merely got them from someone else. All I can tell you is back when I was looking to get a legal license for the Star Trek trademark from Paramount finding out where to purchase and license sounds was one of the things I was going to ask, but I never got that far. So I created my own sound library from sounds acquired over the internet and from other people like Shaun Everest who happend to have a large number of Star Trek sounds on his computer. HTH On 8/26/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Thomas, I didn't want to bombard you with questions and I definitely don't want you to do work for me. I just wanted to know since you said you had the option of optaining such things had you bought a license for Star Trek games. And one last thing about sounds and libraries. I do know what www.sounddogs.com is for and that some of the greatest and most expensive libraries of sounds or production music can be bought there if you have the money. However, there is absolutely no Star Trek related sound information whatsoever on that portal which does host libraries from many different creators and/or distributors. There are supposedly some Trek related sounds (Star Trek Nemesis) in one of the large collections, but Nemesis not standard in Trek sounds in comparison to all other Trek movies and shows up to the point of the movie's release. I also can use google to search, but like the situation was when we talked about audio game engines namely the GMA engine, there is no sign which says: to optain a license for ... contact us at But since you theoretically could have had that kind of contact as a developer I thought you might be able to direct me to where I could find out myself. I can contact people and am willind to do so, when it is possible, but first I have to know where I have to go and who I should ask for some information. Hope that clears the matter up. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Thomas, I myself do own not all, but many mainstream Star Trek games. But regarding sounds and music I allways have wondered why the Borg do not have their weapon sounds in any known Star Trek game. Correction: the borg ships in the Star Trek Armada games do have one weapon sound from Voyager and one other from First Contact. But the weapon sounds from the final Voyager episodes were never present, even if the stardates given in the Armada games suggest that their stories would have been placed within seasons six and seven of Voyager respectively. Also I never got why Star Trek Legacy never had canon music and sounds considering that it was the only game to span all Trek Eras. Moreover Elite Force 2 is the only Game I know of which has proper sounds of a Borg ship, but the moving or dying Borg drones in both Elite Force games are a total disapointment in comparison to canon TNG and Voyager episodes. What I like to know is, what you would have gained if you bought a license to make commercial Trek games from the owners. Would you have gotten a complete sound library including for example all the weapon sounds used in DS9 like the great explosions and the weapons of Dominion ships and a fully undisturbed wormhole sound? I ask this, because I know many Trek games (mainstream) and even they do not have all the interesting sounds while they are licensed products. -Also I'd like to know what source you used for the Defiants pulse phaser sound in Final Conflict, since I know the Defiant (I have the entire DS9 DVD set) and in most instances the Defiant's phaser sound is not like the one you placed in Final conflict. And lastly I'd like to know what sound packs for Final Conflict you know of or have yourself, because I know only one such mod and I allready have that, but I haven't made one for myself up to now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Thomas, you are probably right in thinking that atempting to make Lone Wolf into a Trek simulation could be harmful to the original game. However, Isn't the game Counter Strike a Half Life mod or something like it (at least in the beginning)? And such big mods have been around for ages in the mainstream sector. If they are good from the developer's standpoind is something totally different, but I just want to say that they exist nonetheless. Also, not all, but some science fiction game mods are there to make crossovers between series/genres. If they are good, or well thought out or even balanced is another story of course. But Because there is only One half made mainstream Stargate game out (as an example), there are Stargate mods for Star Trek and one Star Wars game. Surely, making one of theese games directly would be better, but such mods are often created when no one makes a game many people would like to have. Since many players aren't programmers themselves they couldn't do it themselves, even if licensing and prices wouldn't be an issue. So, they adapt what's easier to change, like the sounds of Lone Wolf or for an example Super Liam with the Max Payne sounds, music and story. I liked that one, but I also would feel better if I had Max Payne as an audio game, or the original with accessibility features, which it doesn't have. And lastly one final thing about mods. Games with long campaigns or missions often at least allows user mission creation, even if they are stand alone mini maps (often for multiplayer in mainstream games, but not allways limited to multiplayer). Of the audio games there not many of them bring their own mission tools. There's Dyna man and Lone wolf for example. Of course, Sound RTS and the Topspeed games allow modification in the form of new missions in the former and new cars and race tracks in the case of the latter (same for Rail Racer with new tracks). But nothing to expand all the games like Shades of Doom or the two ESP Pinball titles. The Original (Alchemy) Montezuma's Revenge was supposed to have a map creation tool either released with the game directly or at least afterwards. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Michael, The only thing licensing the Star Trek trademark etc would have done is allow me to create the game for sale. That would not mean that Paramount would send me a cd of sounds. For sounds I would have to license and purchase them separately through a redistributer. That's how companies like Activision acquired the sound effects they do have for their Star Trek games. As for the Defiant's phaser sounds in STFC I grabbed it out of a desktop theme. I think it was called Star Trek Defiant. It played that sound when sending items to the recycle bin, felt it sounded close enough, and added it to STFC as the Defiant's phasers. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Thomas, do you know which company would have sold you the sounds and what they would contain? Do they have all Star Trek sounds, or just some of them? I am asking because not all Star Trek games use all sounds apropriate for their respective timeline. And not even some of the biggest expansions or mods of the lot give all the required sounds, not even if someone was to atempt extracting from the shows or movies itself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Michael, Please, would you stop bombarding me with questions. I don't want to sound rude, but I don't have all the answers to these types of questions. If you want answers like where to buy Star Trek sounds, what sounds they have, etc you have a web browser. Go to http://www.google.com and google what you want to know. I don't know the answers myself, and I'm not going to do the work for you. I've got enough to worry about right now. Thanks. On 8/25/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Thomas, do you know which company would have sold you the sounds and what they would contain? Do they have all Star Trek sounds, or just some of them? I am asking because not all Star Trek games use all sounds apropriate for their respective timeline. And not even some of the biggest expansions or mods of the lot give all the required sounds, not even if someone was to atempt extracting from the shows or movies itself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota?
www.usagamesinteractive.com We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mota? where do ya get it from? :) thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota?
thx. what about the mario bros one? or is that abandonware and not to be discussed on this list? - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota? www.usagamesinteractive.com We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mota? where do ya get it from? :) thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota?
Hi Joe, You can download Mysteries of the Ancients beta 22 from: http://www.usagamesinteractive.com Cheers! On 8/25/11, joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: where do ya get it from? :) thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota?
Hi Joe, If you are talking about the Super Mario Brothers clone created by Dragon Slayer games there isn't an official download site for that game. Although, it is now abandonware I don't see any reason it can't be discussed on list. Cheers! On 8/25/11, joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: thx. what about the mario bros one? or is that abandonware and not to be discussed on this list? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota bug recordings
Hi John, Sure. If you want to send me your recordings go ahead, but at this point I'm not sure that there is a bug per say. I'd have to listen to your recordings and compare it to the reaction times I get when fighting the zombies. Cheers! On 8/25/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: I know I posted this to the list earlier, but I thought I'd update you. As far as the bug goes, I've only noticed it on zombies, and have been able to make two recordings. One of them is taken on beginner, and the other is on intermediate. If you'd like, I can email you the recordings. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Raul and all. Here here. I've said it before and I'll say it again I am just darn glad that Thomas chose to take on this project and chose to honor the purchases of the original Montezuma's Revenge and the rest of those of us who paid for the original Montezuma's Revenge should be glad as well or we would have to just write off that 35 bucks or whatever it was. Sure I work and I can afford to kiss off 35 bucks if I have to, but I'd rather not. I can definitely see what you're saying about the betas but I for one really appreciated them as it at least gave me the assurance that I had paid for something and that it was being worked on and progress was being made. Because I've helped on game development myself I haven't minded that it is slow but it's been real nice to keep up on the progress and actually be able to play the game as it is being worked on. It was not my intention to sound like a butt head or be too harsh with folks in my last message, but I think that many of the people in this little community of ours simply do not have a clue as to how good we have it with these developers who actually come on this list and listen to us and who seem to feel that just because they have purchased a game the developer is their slave for life. Try going to Capcom or Namco or one of the other big mainstream developers and see how far you get telling them you don't like this or that about their game or you want this or that. You'll get laughed off the phone assuming you are actually able to talk to a live person at all. I am not saying there is not a little room for constructive criticism or input particularly if the developer asks for it but folks need to remember this is the developer's project and not theirs whether they have paid anything for it or not. If you want a game done exactly your way then sit down and learn to program and write one. Me I am too lazy to do that even if I had the time which I don't so I'll offer feedback if it is wanted and check out whatever the developers put out and if I like it enough I'll buy it and if I don't I won't, as a consumer you absolutely have the right to do that. Game on. Tom - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Thomas, this is one reason why I have often wondered why you have released so many public betas. People should just be patient and wait for the final release with maybe 1, or 2 public betas, but that should be it. The idea of, I'm blind and I want things my way or else I'll throw a fit is for children, not adults. I am very sure you just wanna get this off your shoulders and move onto other things, and I for one can't wait to see the final project and I know I will enjoy it regardless. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com On 8/16/2011 5:13 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Yohandy, That's a very valid point. I think I've been far too liberal in the past, too willing to change things based on suggestions in the past, and now its gotten to the point where everybody expects me to change this or that at the drop of a hat. What some gamers here forget is no mainstream developer commercial, independant, or otherwise is going to just change such and such because one or two gamers grumble about it. What I've done in terms of beta 22 which I wanted to do clear back as early as beta 20 is freeze the development of the game. That is to say stop adding features, changes, whatever and actually focus on adding new levels, cutscenes, and whatever has to be done to get this 1.0 ready. That is primarily what I'm doing right now, and I'm sticking to that. I've closed out the suggestions and changes portion of the game and am working on actual game play and updates for v1.0. Cheers! On 8/16/11, Yohandyyohand...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas, I'd say don't do it. I don't understand what's going on with this community. It's always compromises with you guys. can't a man create a game how he wants, and everyone just play it how it was intended? when you play a ps3 game do you suddenly say hmm, I'm gonna swap this game's sounds for much cooler ones. course not. you just play the thing how it was designed. sheesh. this community exasperates me so much. there's rarely a discussion thread that doesn't contain these words. well can't you do such and such? swap sounds? make game easier? discard analog jumping? and on and on. no wonder guys like Draconis don't post updates. I think it's for the best. once their new games comes out people will play it, and it will be too late to change anything. if I was a dev I'd do exactly the same thing . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
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Hi Tom, Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think everyone on list or in this community fully realises how good they have it. That i would not only work on a game that wasn't my own to begin with, but allow a certain amount of input, testing, etc as well. I could have just not bothered taking over Montezuma's revenge or Raceway and we'd all be out the $35 or whatever it cost. Plus I've always tried to be open with the public. Letting people know when I'm releasing an update, telling them of things I'm going to try in advance, and being as transparent about the process as possible. Unfortunately, though, not everyone is going to be happy with what I do no matter what. That's why I have to make final decisions on things that maybe certain people aren't going to like. That's ok, because as you say if a person isn't happy with the product they can spend the time and energy learning to program their own game their way. Cheers! On 8/24/11, Tom Randall kf6...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Raul and all. Here here. I've said it before and I'll say it again I am just darn glad that Thomas chose to take on this project and chose to honor the purchases of the original Montezuma's Revenge and the rest of those of us who paid for the original Montezuma's Revenge should be glad as well or we would have to just write off that 35 bucks or whatever it was. Sure I work and I can afford to kiss off 35 bucks if I have to, but I'd rather not. I can definitely see what you're saying about the betas but I for one really appreciated them as it at least gave me the assurance that I had paid for something and that it was being worked on and progress was being made. Because I've helped on game development myself I haven't minded that it is slow but it's been real nice to keep up on the progress and actually be able to play the game as it is being worked on. It was not my intention to sound like a butt head or be too harsh with folks in my last message, but I think that many of the people in this little community of ours simply do not have a clue as to how good we have it with these developers who actually come on this list and listen to us and who seem to feel that just because they have purchased a game the developer is their slave for life. Try going to Capcom or Namco or one of the other big mainstream developers and see how far you get telling them you don't like this or that about their game or you want this or that. You'll get laughed off the phone assuming you are actually able to talk to a live person at all. I am not saying there is not a little room for constructive criticism or input particularly if the developer asks for it but folks need to remember this is the developer's project and not theirs whether they have paid anything for it or not. If you want a game done exactly your way then sit down and learn to program and write one. Me I am too lazy to do that even if I had the time which I don't so I'll offer feedback if it is wanted and check out whatever the developers put out and if I like it enough I'll buy it and if I don't I won't, as a consumer you absolutely have the right to do that. Game on. Tom --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Tom: You hit it right on the head with this post! I really appreciate the progress of MOTA, the fact that we have input into how the game comes out because Thomas Ward is allowing it, and his dedication to see the project he took over to fruition. You're right, also, about the fact that if people don't like what he's developing, they don't have to buy it. Then again, if people who bought Montezuma's revenge from James North, and they don't like how MOTA turns out, then they can hunt for James North and get their money back from the one who took it, or they can chalk the experience of preordering up to a lesson in what not to do in the future. Testing MOTA has been a lot of fun, and the finished product will be a lot more fun. Thanks, Thomas. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Tom Randall kf6...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Raul and all. Here here. I've said it before and I'll say it again I am just darn glad that Thomas chose to take on this project and chose to honor the purchases of the original Montezuma's Revenge and the rest of those of us who paid for the original Montezuma's Revenge should be glad as well or we would have to just write off that 35 bucks or whatever it was. Sure I work and I can afford to kiss off 35 bucks if I have to, but I'd rather not. I can definitely see what you're saying about the betas but I for one really appreciated them as it at least gave me the assurance that I had paid for something and that it was being worked on and progress was being made. Because I've helped on game development myself I haven't minded that it is slow but it's been real nice to keep up on the progress and actually be able to play the game as it is being worked on. It was not my intention to sound like a butt head or be too harsh with folks in my last message, but I think that many of the people in this little community of ours simply do not have a clue as to how good we have it with these developers who actually come on this list and listen to us and who seem to feel that just because they have purchased a game the developer is their slave for life. Try going to Capcom or Namco or one of the other big mainstream developers and see how far you get telling them you don't like this or that about their game or you want this or that. You'll get laughed off the phone assuming you are actually able to talk to a live person at all. I am not saying there is not a little room for constructive criticism or input particularly if the developer asks for it but folks need to remember this is the developer's project and not theirs whether they have paid anything for it or not. If you want a game done exactly your way then sit down and learn to program and write one. Me I am too lazy to do that even if I had the time which I don't so I'll offer feedback if it is wanted and check out whatever the developers put out and if I like it enough I'll buy it and if I don't I won't, as a consumer you absolutely have the right to do that. Game on. Tom - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Thomas, this is one reason why I have often wondered why you have released so many public betas. People should just be patient and wait for the final release with maybe 1, or 2 public betas, but that should be it. The idea of, I'm blind and I want things my way or else I'll throw a fit is for children, not adults. I am very sure you just wanna get this off your shoulders and move onto other things, and I for one can't wait to see the final project and I know I will enjoy it regardless. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com On 8/16/2011 5:13 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Yohandy, That's a very valid point. I think I've been far too liberal in the past, too willing to change things based on suggestions in the past, and now its gotten to the point where everybody expects me to change this or that at the drop of a hat. What some gamers here forget is no mainstream developer commercial, independant, or otherwise is going to just change such and such because one or two gamers grumble about it. What I've done in terms of beta 22 which I wanted to do clear back as early as beta 20 is freeze the development of the game. That is to say stop adding features, changes, whatever and actually focus on adding new levels, cutscenes, and whatever has to be done to get this 1.0 ready. That is primarily what I'm doing right now, and I'm sticking to that. I've closed out the suggestions and changes portion
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Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN Jim I don't know what I like, but I know what art is. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well jim, you have allowed some modding of ambiences on golf after a sertain number. Ofcause its up to a dev on what is modded and if they will let it slide. Ie final conflict 1.2, has at least one or 2 mods. lonewolf has one. Superliam has one maybe 2 and I know that shades has at least one I know of. Its all up to the developer on weather they care enough. But I realise how this could change. Example. I made some gard noises for shoot da me by rsgames. These were used by keywasfull on battlezoon as well as others without my permition. Aparently they came from oriol but he could have got it from somewhere else. I had 3 choices. 1. To kick up a fuss. or 2 to try to find out or 3 nothing or just release the pack. I am not a guy to start fusses. I actually liked my sounds in the game mentioned. Sdm had not been developed for a bit pluss my sounds never played right through seeming to cut off in the middle though they served their purpose. They were recorded with cheap gear and I was not concerned with where they came from. And I was happy they were being used that and only one of them was used anyway and they were generic noises. i guess I could have made sfx for that game to even it but I just did not mind to much. However some may have. My other major reason was I could go at what I thought pirated my stuff. But then if it was more than that there would be a possability I'd never find the origional source and the flame would be pointless. With the net you could never find the leak unless you really wanted it that much. And even if I found the leak well its not like they were sold or anything. But I do understand when you don't want sounds. Though as I said jim you have allowed most games to be modded in some way. Golf ambiences, trivias question files, golfs courses and monopoly's boards are just a few. And I have made my own mods for games. The night of parasite game and mine sweaper by the same person I modded not the game or sounds themselves but the installers because the installers the game had triggered my av program. Its fair though that I did send my mod code and reasons to the author explaining my reasons for the adjustment. At 09:57 p.m. 23/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN Jim I don't know what I like, but I know what art is. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Raul, Well, working with public betas is something of a two-edged sword. On the one side, it has been extremely helpful. I've had a wide range of testers who have found bugs, problems, and so on. working with the same people who will be playing MOTA 1.0 has resolved a lot of design issues early on and helped me get things right before 1.0. So rather than releasing one or two major betas in which I might have to rewrite or correct a bunch of code at once I chose to break it down into smaller beta cycles and fix things as I go. On the other side, though, some people have been immature about the process. Some people demand their own way, want the game right now, insist on modding it, or whatever. I suppose every developer encounters a few bad apples now and then, and the best a developer can do is take the good with the bad. Find out if the value of public input is worth putting up with the bad apples too. Smile. On 8/22/11, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Thomas, this is one reason why I have often wondered why you have released so many public betas. People should just be patient and wait for the final release with maybe 1, or 2 public betas, but that should be it. The idea of, I'm blind and I want things my way or else I'll throw a fit is for children, not adults. I am very sure you just wanna get this off your shoulders and move onto other things, and I for one can't wait to see the final project and I know I will enjoy it regardless. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yeah, but creating golf courses, monopoly boards and trivia files is one thing. It's quite another when you get into replacing a game's sounds and music. It's like I said. I may not give a rat's buttcheeks about free titles I make but you can bet that if I make any commercial games the sounds and music are going to be encripted. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Well jim, you have allowed some modding of ambiences on golf after a sertain number. Ofcause its up to a dev on what is modded and if they will let it slide. Ie final conflict 1.2, has at least one or 2 mods. lonewolf has one. Superliam has one maybe 2 and I know that shades has at least one I know of. Its all up to the developer on weather they care enough. But I realise how this could change. Example. I made some gard noises for shoot da me by rsgames. These were used by keywasfull on battlezoon as well as others without my permition. Aparently they came from oriol but he could have got it from somewhere else. I had 3 choices. 1. To kick up a fuss. or 2 to try to find out or 3 nothing or just release the pack. I am not a guy to start fusses. I actually liked my sounds in the game mentioned. Sdm had not been developed for a bit pluss my sounds never played right through seeming to cut off in the middle though they served their purpose. They were recorded with cheap gear and I was not concerned with where they came from. And I was happy they were being used that and only one of them was used anyway and they were generic noises. i guess I could have made sfx for that game to even it but I just did not mind to much. However some may have. My other major reason was I could go at what I thought pirated my stuff. But then if it was more than that there would be a possability I'd never find the origional source and the flame would be pointless. With the net you could never find the leak unless you really wanted it that much. And even if I found the leak well its not like they were sold or anything. But I do understand when you don't want sounds. Though as I said jim you have allowed most games to be modded in some way. Golf ambiences, trivias question files, golfs courses and monopoly's boards are just a few. And I have made my own mods for games. The night of parasite game and mine sweaper by the same person I modded not the game or sounds themselves but the installers because the installers the game had triggered my av program. Its fair though that I did send my mod code and reasons to the author explaining my reasons for the adjustment. At 09:57 p.m. 23/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN Jim I don't know what I like, but I know what art is. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
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Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. On 8/23/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. On 8/23/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
One of the things you can do in MOTA now is turn off the music. That way you would only hear the sounds of the game and that might help you a little. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Valiant8086 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:46 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. On 8/23/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6403 (20110823) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6403 (20110823) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi. That is true, and I do so. But, as I just mentioned, it doesn't apply to the menus. In Mota, fortunately, the music is just quiet enough that it doesn't matter, I can figure out what Heather is saying over the music there luckily. Also I think you can change the volume of the music in Mota with a couple of hotkeys, I'm not sure just now what they are, though. So far Mota has been very good about not cluttering up the audio experience I would have. Also, it doesn't have that problem I emailed about earlier with my stereo field being too narrow, or what ever one should call my strange situation. I'm sincerely hoping Mota3d doesn't have that problem either. On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Darren Duff wrote: One of the things you can do in MOTA now is turn off the music. That way you would only hear the sounds of the game and that might help you a little. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Valiant8086 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:46 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. On 8/23/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6403 (20110823) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6403 (20110823) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Valiant, That kind of modding is understandable. Obviously lowering music to make the menus more understandable or raising the volume of a sound to make it a little louder is perfectly fine. You have a problem hearing and modding a game to make it easier to play isn't an issue for me. Its the other kind of modding that bothers me. For instance, not long ago someone mentioned they were creating a Star Wars mod for the game called Order 66, and asked if I could do something to make a light saber loop. In other words could I modify the game to support his mod. The answer was definitely no, because I'm creating a game on par with Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones, Rogue Angel, or something else in that genre and someone is happily converting my game into something completely different than what I had intended. Not only that he wasn't even aware of the fact the license agreement specifically forbids modding of that kind. The other issue we get into when talking about modding is copyright issues regarding sound effects. I have to pay royalties for the sounds and music I use in my games. So the sounds that ship with a game are provided under legal license for that purpose. However, if someone rips all the sounds from say Tomb Raider and creates a mod and redistributes them he/she could be held liable for redistribution of copyrighted material and/or copyright infringement. While I'd love to just drop the sounds of Lara Croft etc into my games that's not really legal, and anyone who does it is taking a legal risk. So by not allowing people to mod a game I not only protect my product I protect people from taking the risk of modding my games with illegal sounds and music. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Valiant, Well, I don't think MOTA 3D should have a problem with your sound card. What I basically did in order to make it compatible with non-5.1 surround sound systems is emulate my own 3d positioning using the panning and volume settings in DirectSound. I.E. I used 3d calculations so the sound would pann and roll off like a 3d control, but using just standard stereo mixing and gain. That way it would sound fairly realistic, but not require state-of-the-art 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards and speakers. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. That is true, and I do so. But, as I just mentioned, it doesn't apply to the menus. In Mota, fortunately, the music is just quiet enough that it doesn't matter, I can figure out what Heather is saying over the music there luckily. Also I think you can change the volume of the music in Mota with a couple of hotkeys, I'm not sure just now what they are, though. So far Mota has been very good about not cluttering up the audio experience I would have. Also, it doesn't have that problem I emailed about earlier with my stereo field being too narrow, or what ever one should call my strange situation. I'm sincerely hoping Mota3d doesn't have that problem either. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Admittedly I rarely read the license agreements but I just assume that modding and things like that are a no-no so I don't even bother. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Valiant, That kind of modding is understandable. Obviously lowering music to make the menus more understandable or raising the volume of a sound to make it a little louder is perfectly fine. You have a problem hearing and modding a game to make it easier to play isn't an issue for me. Its the other kind of modding that bothers me. For instance, not long ago someone mentioned they were creating a Star Wars mod for the game called Order 66, and asked if I could do something to make a light saber loop. In other words could I modify the game to support his mod. The answer was definitely no, because I'm creating a game on par with Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones, Rogue Angel, or something else in that genre and someone is happily converting my game into something completely different than what I had intended. Not only that he wasn't even aware of the fact the license agreement specifically forbids modding of that kind. The other issue we get into when talking about modding is copyright issues regarding sound effects. I have to pay royalties for the sounds and music I use in my games. So the sounds that ship with a game are provided under legal license for that purpose. However, if someone rips all the sounds from say Tomb Raider and creates a mod and redistributes them he/she could be held liable for redistribution of copyrighted material and/or copyright infringement. While I'd love to just drop the sounds of Lara Croft etc into my games that's not really legal, and anyone who does it is taking a legal risk. So by not allowing people to mod a game I not only protect my product I protect people from taking the risk of modding my games with illegal sounds and music. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Another thought about modified games: Scenario: Someone who has not bought your production visits the home of someone who has bought and modified your production. The visitor thinks, Those game sounds are really terrible. This is certainly a game I will not buy. If he had visited someone who purchased your game and did not modify it, and he really was impressed, you've got another customer. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
HI Charles, That's always a possibility. However, most of the time when games are modded it is with the purpose of changing the game itself to something else, or it is to improve the sounds. For instance, when I created my Lone Wolf soundpack way back when I tried to stay to the original game as possible, but obtained higher quality effects. That kind of modding was probably benificial to the game rather than harmful. At least I personally think so, and my intent wasn't to change the game itself. However, I don't know if you remember this, but about five or six years ago I do recall roomers of a Star Trek mod for Lone Wolf floating around. Someone had taken sounds from Trek 2000, grabbed some extras off the net, and tried to create a real time Star Trek simulation game. That was probably not too benificial for Lone Wolf since the sounds would be totally improper for a World War II submarine simulation, and if we are completely realistic about it even if they changed sounds, rewrote all the missions, etc it still wouldn't really live up to a real time Star Trek game anyway. It would just end up being a submarine pretending to be a starship. That kind of modding is hharmful to the game in the extreme. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Another thought about modified games: Scenario: Someone who has not bought your production visits the home of someone who has bought and modified your production. The visitor thinks, Those game sounds are really terrible. This is certainly a game I will not buy. If he had visited someone who purchased your game and did not modify it, and he really was impressed, you've got another customer. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
well valient you should probably email the dev of that game with your mods explaining those so it can be included in a future version since this is quite important. I am not deaf so if I make a game I can't adapt it because I don't know how, if someone mods it for me and gives me that mod then I can put it in probably. At 03:46 a.m. 24/08/2011, you wrote: I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Yeah, I do know what you mean and understand your point of view. That's my feeling as well. If I wanted the game to be modded or to allow end users to customize it I would make available the proper tools or ability to do so. Since I don't intend Mysteries of the Ancients to be modified, to be a stand alone game, etc I'm going to have to begin encrypting sounds and taking care that people can't modify it without serious effort. That way I know that what I create stays in tact and the game I sell my customers is the one they are playing. Smile. On 8/23/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree with you about the modding of games. But I also believe that it applies to free games as well. Even if I do not pay for the sound files that I use, I spend allot of time finding or recording and editing the sounds for my games. And put the games out as my creation, you know the concept, the code, thus the way that the game plays and the sounds of the game. Now if I intend for the game to be modded such as Quake I would build tools into the game for that. You know like I have for games such as monopoly, golf, baseball, football, coupling and the trivia game engine. I did devise a simple check to see if my game sounds have been modded. But some people have found a way around that. Just irritates me a bit that people take my creations and change them. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
but what about final conflict, I aggree its free and there have been mods from the origional sounds, you didn't seem to concerned about that. At 06:27 a.m. 24/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Valiant, That kind of modding is understandable. Obviously lowering music to make the menus more understandable or raising the volume of a sound to make it a little louder is perfectly fine. You have a problem hearing and modding a game to make it easier to play isn't an issue for me. Its the other kind of modding that bothers me. For instance, not long ago someone mentioned they were creating a Star Wars mod for the game called Order 66, and asked if I could do something to make a light saber loop. In other words could I modify the game to support his mod. The answer was definitely no, because I'm creating a game on par with Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones, Rogue Angel, or something else in that genre and someone is happily converting my game into something completely different than what I had intended. Not only that he wasn't even aware of the fact the license agreement specifically forbids modding of that kind. The other issue we get into when talking about modding is copyright issues regarding sound effects. I have to pay royalties for the sounds and music I use in my games. So the sounds that ship with a game are provided under legal license for that purpose. However, if someone rips all the sounds from say Tomb Raider and creates a mod and redistributes them he/she could be held liable for redistribution of copyrighted material and/or copyright infringement. While I'd love to just drop the sounds of Lara Croft etc into my games that's not really legal, and anyone who does it is taking a legal risk. So by not allowing people to mod a game I not only protect my product I protect people from taking the risk of modding my games with illegal sounds and music. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: I have some food for more thought on this discussion. That is, with certain games, I have to mod them in order to play them. That is, with my hearing problems, sometimes I need to silence a crowd or turn up a beep sound. Sometimes I have to turn down music in a menu where many developers seem to forget to allow it to be turned down or off. I'm not trying to argue against the prevention of modding, just wanted to throw that out there for people to know about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
on that note tom and all I descovered now that you can get 5.1 speakers that can plug to the headphone jack of a standard soundcard if you wish for little cash, logitech does those forgot the model. Obviously you really would need the propper card for this eventually but that could be another option. The speakers are not that much 130nz so maybe in the us they are a bit cheaper than that. At 06:32 a.m. 24/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Valiant, Well, I don't think MOTA 3D should have a problem with your sound card. What I basically did in order to make it compatible with non-5.1 surround sound systems is emulate my own 3d positioning using the panning and volume settings in DirectSound. I.E. I used 3d calculations so the sound would pann and roll off like a 3d control, but using just standard stereo mixing and gain. That way it would sound fairly realistic, but not require state-of-the-art 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards and speakers. Cheers! On 8/23/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. That is true, and I do so. But, as I just mentioned, it doesn't apply to the menus. In Mota, fortunately, the music is just quiet enough that it doesn't matter, I can figure out what Heather is saying over the music there luckily. Also I think you can change the volume of the music in Mota with a couple of hotkeys, I'm not sure just now what they are, though. So far Mota has been very good about not cluttering up the audio experience I would have. Also, it doesn't have that problem I emailed about earlier with my stereo field being too narrow, or what ever one should call my strange situation. I'm sincerely hoping Mota3d doesn't have that problem either. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Shaun, Yeah, I've seen those around, but that's not really the point. A lot of VI customers are on fixed incomes SSI, SSDI, and alike and it makes it harder to justify to my customers why they should go out and buy high end sound hardware for my games when I can make do with their existing technology. Granted I could do a better job with superior sound hardware, but that forces everyone to upgrade their systems regardless of how expensive or inexpensive that may be for that individual. This is a case of going with the most common hardware is best for everyone at least from a commercial standpoint. Cheers! On 8/23/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: on that note tom and all I descovered now that you can get 5.1 speakers that can plug to the headphone jack of a standard soundcard if you wish for little cash, logitech does those forgot the model. Obviously you really would need the propper card for this eventually but that could be another option. The speakers are not that much 130nz so maybe in the us they are a bit cheaper than that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
HI Shaun, That's because I wasn't too concerned about Final Conflict. For starts it was free, and I didn't pay for sounds, music, or put a lot of effort into the game. It was for me mainly a practice game to get use to .Net, Managed DirectX, etc before taking on something more complex. As a result I didn't really care what people did with it to begin with. Second of all, Star Trek is copyrighted by Paramount and the price they wanted to charge me to legally licence the Star Trek trademark, sounds, music, etc cost far more than I felt I would get out of selling the game. Unlike Lucas they gave me permission to go ahead and release the game provided it was free of charge and I stipulated the usual trademark information. As a result I could develop the game, release it, but I really didn't have any legal control over the game or the sounds so even if I didn't want people modding it I didn't have any legal control over the sounds etc. So I didn't bother protesting. Finally, I have a couple of the soundpacks that were produced and they were very decent. That said, I noticed whoever put together some of the soundpacks don't know much about Star Trek as I do as I noticed they used the wrong clackson for the Soverign-Class when I used the correct one from Star Trek 8, but what could I say? I actually liked some of the STFC soundpacks even if some of the sounds were not quite right. Cheers! On 8/23/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: but what about final conflict, I aggree its free and there have been mods from the origional sounds, you didn't seem to concerned about that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Valiant, As I've explained before the alt key really isn't a viable option right now. By default the Windows API assigns the alt key to the context menu, and I've been trying to figure out how to disable that functionality for months. The end result is if I attempt to silence speech using alt it will silence speech and open up the context menu as well. Obviously, that would not be too good for the end users. One of the solutions I've found is to use a different graphical user interface, window manager, like replacing the Windows API code with Microsoft's Direct3D which is used by mainstream developers. That would work I suppose, but the fix here would take longer than freeing up that key is worth right now. Cheers! On 8/21/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: How about alt, since GMA uses alt to silence speech, and as far as I know mota doesn't use alt for anything. I don't like shift because ctrl+shift+arrows might silence ongoing speech that one had intended to listen to while on the move. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota Bug
Hi, Well, I've personally seen the torch bug once or twice myself, but it happens so infrequently that there is no way to track it down or find out what causes it to do that. I'm beginning the best fix for that problem is to do what the GMA Engine does and create a button to reset the sounds or the soundcard when the game begins acting funky. There is absolutely nothing in the code that would point to a problem with this. Although, I suspect the problem might be related to DirectSound and not the game. As in sometimes DirectSound doesn't reset certain buffers when it is suppose to. The reason I think that way is during my cross-platform attempts using OpenAL, FMOD, etc this bug never once appeared on non-Windows platforms. It only seems to happen with the versions that use Microsoft's DirectSound API. On 8/16/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Weird. I haven't had that problem. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Thomas, I agree completely with Yohandy on this one. You are under absolutely no obligation whatsoever so far as I'm concerned to provide or even allow mods, sound packs, voice packs, etc. for your products if you do not wish to. What many don't seem to get particularly in this community it seems is that your games are copyrighted works and that any modding, production of alternate sound and/or voice packs or anything else can be done only at your discretion and with your permission otherwise the user has technically violated the copyright and may forfeit his license to use the product. I realize that some devs don't adhere to this kind of standard in this small community however I believe it is worth pointing out to people that this standard is the norm in the mainstream gaming community and anything other than that is strictly optional and at the discretion of the developer. Sorry for the late response to this, I recently acquired a MacBook and have been busy learning that and so haven't had time to keep up with this list. Game on. Tom - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Bryan, Perhaps, but its the principle of the thing. Nobody wants to just except the game as it was intended to be designed. MOTA players are under the impression USA Games is like Subway we do it your way which isn't what we had in mind here. Although, I have plenty of web space right now imagine if I released voice packs, sound packs, etc for each and every single game I ever create. Its going to end up costing me extra web space and download bandwidth to support what I consider non-essential junk. I'd prefer people to just accept the changes as they are and stop requesting sound packs for this, that, and the other thing because people just can't be satisfied with the product I'm creating as is. They don't think about how much extra time, effort, web space, etc is required to support their own individual idea of how the game should be. More over they forget I'm in charge of deciding such things and I have personal reasons for doing what I do to. Cheers! On 8/16/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Maybe release the Beta 18 sounds as a separate sound pack? That way those who wanted it could have it while those who, like me, are happy with the newer sounds, could stick with those. It's the sae idea that was discussed with regard to speech packs with different voices. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
HI Tom, That's very true. Most mainstream game developers encrypt their sounds, graphics, and other game data precisely for that reason. They don't want someone just modding the game however they want, and they consider changing this or that a serious violation of copyright. Most audio game developers haven't been that strict with the community, but perhaps they should start because we've ended up with a rather lax attitude towards copyrights and ownership etc. Its for that reason I've already decided to begin encrypting the sounds, music, and speech files for MOTA. I'm going to eliminate this attitude I paid for it so I can mod it idea in a hurry. I created the game the way I wanted it, and I'm not going to just allow people to mod it however they want or think it should be because it isn't their game. They aren't the creator or the developer of the product so don't have the final say about things like that. Cheers! On 8/22/11, Tom Randall kf6...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I agree completely with Yohandy on this one. You are under absolutely no obligation whatsoever so far as I'm concerned to provide or even allow mods, sound packs, voice packs, etc. for your products if you do not wish to. What many don't seem to get particularly in this community it seems is that your games are copyrighted works and that any modding, production of alternate sound and/or voice packs or anything else can be done only at your discretion and with your permission otherwise the user has technically violated the copyright and may forfeit his license to use the product. I realize that some devs don't adhere to this kind of standard in this small community however I believe it is worth pointing out to people that this standard is the norm in the mainstream gaming community and anything other than that is strictly optional and at the discretion of the developer. Sorry for the late response to this, I recently acquired a MacBook and have been busy learning that and so haven't had time to keep up with this list. Game on. Tom --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Thomas, this is one reason why I have often wondered why you have released so many public betas. People should just be patient and wait for the final release with maybe 1, or 2 public betas, but that should be it. The idea of, I'm blind and I want things my way or else I'll throw a fit is for children, not adults. I am very sure you just wanna get this off your shoulders and move onto other things, and I for one can't wait to see the final project and I know I will enjoy it regardless. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com On 8/16/2011 5:13 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Yohandy, That's a very valid point. I think I've been far too liberal in the past, too willing to change things based on suggestions in the past, and now its gotten to the point where everybody expects me to change this or that at the drop of a hat. What some gamers here forget is no mainstream developer commercial, independant, or otherwise is going to just change such and such because one or two gamers grumble about it. What I've done in terms of beta 22 which I wanted to do clear back as early as beta 20 is freeze the development of the game. That is to say stop adding features, changes, whatever and actually focus on adding new levels, cutscenes, and whatever has to be done to get this 1.0 ready. That is primarily what I'm doing right now, and I'm sticking to that. I've closed out the suggestions and changes portion of the game and am working on actual game play and updates for v1.0. Cheers! On 8/16/11, Yohandyyohand...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas, I'd say don't do it. I don't understand what's going on with this community. It's always compromises with you guys. can't a man create a game how he wants, and everyone just play it how it was intended? when you play a ps3 game do you suddenly say hmm, I'm gonna swap this game's sounds for much cooler ones. course not. you just play the thing how it was designed. sheesh. this community exasperates me so much. there's rarely a discussion thread that doesn't contain these words. well can't you do such and such? swap sounds? make game easier? discard analog jumping? and on and on. no wonder guys like Draconis don't post updates. I think it's for the best. once their new games comes out people will play it, and it will be too late to change anything. if I was a dev I'd do exactly the same thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi John, No problem. All suggestions are welcome. Although, I think a number of list members, including myself, just wanted to point out a few facts about your post such as Greek temples have wooden doors instead of stone etc. That's why they were changed in betas 21/22.Same kind of realism applied to guns. I've grown up around guns and I felt these were more realistic so replaced the weapon sounds with them. Again, the change was a call made on my part to improve the realism of the game. That's why we were perhaps less receptive to your suggestions. Still, there is no need to apologise for making them. Cheers! On 8/20/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: Hi all, First off, I'd like to apologize for bringing back a fairly old thread. I just got back from camp and have finished reading through 246 emails (what fun) and wanted to clarify a few points. I'd like to apologize for apparently giving the wrong impression with my message. I was in know way trying to force anything onto Thomas, or to gripe about anything in the game. I'd also like to stay that I read through the emails rather quickly, so I may have missed a few points. If so, please forgive my ignorance. ON the subject of audio, I've never really heard any actual weapons fire before, so if the new sounds are indeed more accurate, I owe thomas another apology. I was merely intending to put my observations on the new version of the game out. ON the subject of the doors, I'm no historian, thus had no idea that wooden doors were used in greece. As I seem to have missed a few facts there, feel free to disregard my point. On the subject of jumping, I can understand where you're coming from as far as mice and joisticks go. I don't use either of them myself, so can't say that I've ran into the circumstances you mentioned. I didn't mean for my suggestion to be considered anything more than that, and hope it wasn't taken that way. As far as raising the volume on the spikes goes, that's a great idea, and I'm rather ashamed of myself for not thinking of it. On the subject of multiple monsters, I do usually play on beginner or intermediate, as advanced (and particularly expert) usually kill me in the first or second room. As far as holding down enter to pick up objects goes, It's not a serious problem, and I can understand the technical difficulties. I suppose I'm just to used to playing beta 18 (I've put well over 48 hours into it) and am having a hard time readjusting. To conclude, I'd like to extend a sincere apology to the list, and Thomas in particular, as I didn't mean for my message to be anything other than observations. I didn't mean for this to create any kind of strife for Thomas, and certainly don't want people getting the wrong impression. John. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Question
Hi Bryan, Well, to be honest I kind of think that is cheating. That's why there isn't at least one potion in Angela's inventory at the beginning of the game. After all, if you start a new game, tangle with a harpy, and end up dying as a result that's just bad luck. You can just restart the game and maybe get more favorable results the next time. I guess to sum up my opinion it is a question of challenge, difficulty, and weather or not it is realistic that Angela will just happen upon a potion each and everytime she steps into a tomb right off. Besides that, it goes without saying this is one of the basic challenges in random chance. If you flip a coin in the air it will either come up heads you win or tails you lose. There is nothing assuring you that you will get heads each and every time that coin is flipped. Same concept applies to my games. Sometimes you will enter a room and you will mow down a skeleton, injure a centaur, get ripped by a harpy, or encounter nothing at all. Sometimes there will be a potion nearby and sometimes you will have to really search to find one. Its a coin toss weather or not you will get lucky sometimes, and its this degree of challenge and uncertainty I enjoy. So that is why I ditched the idea of giving you one or two freebies to help you get passed the first few monsters. Cheers! On 8/20/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Hi, I have a small question...well more in the nature of a suggestion really. But a few Betas back it was decided to allow Angela to start with one potion already in her inventory. If it wouldn't be too difficult I'd like to see this feature reintroduced, for the very reason it was implemented to begin with. Because of the randomness of the game it's hard to know whether the first monster you encounter will be a Harpie, much less whether you'll find a potion soon afterward. Because it can sometimes be difficult to avoid getting hit when fighting a Harpie, and if you are you obviously want to have a potion handy to cure the poison. So I'd like to see the free potion restored (Idon't even know why it was removed to begin with). I've lost a few games before they even got started because a Harpie was right inside the first door I opened and so it was almost a guarantee that I was going to take damage. And because I had no pitons and didn't find one in time, I lost the game before I started as I said before. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
How about alt, since GMA uses alt to silence speech, and as far as I know mota doesn't use alt for anything. I don't like shift because ctrl+shift+arrows might silence ongoing speech that one had intended to listen to while on the move. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/19/2011 1:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi. Ah, ok just read what you said about the alt key not being an option at least for now. Hmm, context key? Probably has the same problem alt does, and it's so unconventional anyway. only thing I can think of tonight is having code that ensures the program knows the control key is still being depressed and not interrupting until it is let up, then depressed again. Can't just use something similar to keyPressed in auto it as aposed to keyDown, because keyDown is needed for all those other functions, but the code for the key could reinvent the wheel just when it came to the speech part while still being similar to auto it's key down. There must be a reason you didn't do that already. If it's a loop, auto it can say something like, I've forgotten auto it syntax so here's some plain english in sort of vb syntax if keyDown(ctrl)=true then 'check if ctrl key is pressed down right now if ctrlKeyDown=false then 'check if our variable has been set by a previous loop to say the key was down at that point, iow was it already pressed ctrlKeyDown=true 'tell the program the key is pressed so this code won't process next go around speechInterrupt() 'interrupt speech end if elseIf keyDown(ctrl)=false then 'check if ctrl is not pressed ctrlKeyDown=false 'the variable is set to say the key isn't down end if Hope you don't find my code contribution annoying, I know some people do, just figured I'd mention it just in case you didn't think of the obvious. My guess would be there's just something I don't know about involved that means you can't do it like that. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/21/2011 11:29 PM, Valiant8086 wrote: How about alt, since GMA uses alt to silence speech, and as far as I know mota doesn't use alt for anything. I don't like shift because ctrl+shift+arrows might silence ongoing speech that one had intended to listen to while on the move. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/19/2011 1:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Thomas, I also have tried beta 22 and I found one thing a bit strange. When pressing the S key you can turn the sight feature on or off. I had it on while fighting the boss of level 1. Then I finished level 1 and went into level 2 but the beeping tone was no longer present. And turning the thing off and back on did not work. Even leaving the current game and reloading did not solve this. The second thing I was wondering about is about stairs. For example if you are in a room with stairs and if directly left or right of them is a wall and you go and hit the wall and want to move up from that position, the sound of moving along the flor is played instead of the stair sound while you still move up or down respectively. I had this in many versions once a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom, Hmmm, the issue with assigning silence to shift for me would be that it'd probably make it tricky to get information whilst running, and that's kinda the main reason I asked about the silence function. Alt would be perfect, but it sounds like the API is pretty determined to hold onto that. Bit out of left field, but how about backspace? My thinking is that it's a nice big button to aim for so good for shutting speech up even when things are getting busy, plus so far as I've seen it's a consistent placement for non-US layouts. One thought that's just struck as I wrote the idea is that I've seen backspace be assigned to snap around 180 before. If that's something you had planned for the FPS version, we're back to square 1. Scott On 8/19/11, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well, the alt key is problematic. At the moment because I used the Windows API to draw the Window the alt key is automatically asigned to pull up the blasted context window menu. I can't seem to find a decent way to disable this behavior. So if you pressed alt to silence speech you would also bring up the context menu for the game as well. The only way to fix that problem is to use something like Direct3D as a window manager so that it would free up the alt key for use in games. As for the grave accent key it could work, but it is way out of the way. It is not something that is a logical key asignment which brings us right back to the problem. I believe in mapping keys to logical keyboard assignments. The grave accent key isn't logical since most screen readers and speech devices use control or escape to silence speech. Cheers! On 8/19/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Why not use the alt key. Or maybe grave accent? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
That stair thing's been around forever. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Thomas, I also have tried beta 22 and I found one thing a bit strange. When pressing the S key you can turn the sight feature on or off. I had it on while fighting the boss of level 1. Then I finished level 1 and went into level 2 but the beeping tone was no longer present. And turning the thing off and back on did not work. Even leaving the current game and reloading did not solve this. The second thing I was wondering about is about stairs. For example if you are in a room with stairs and if directly left or right of them is a wall and you go and hit the wall and want to move up from that position, the sound of moving along the flor is played instead of the stair sound while you still move up or down respectively. I had this in many versions once a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi all, First off, I'd like to apologize for bringing back a fairly old thread. I just got back from camp and have finished reading through 246 emails (what fun) and wanted to clarify a few points. I'd like to apologize for apparently giving the wrong impression with my message. I was in know way trying to force anything onto Thomas, or to gripe about anything in the game. I'd also like to stay that I read through the emails rather quickly, so I may have missed a few points. If so, please forgive my ignorance. ON the subject of audio, I've never really heard any actual weapons fire before, so if the new sounds are indeed more accurate, I owe thomas another apology. I was merely intending to put my observations on the new version of the game out. ON the subject of the doors, I'm no historian, thus had no idea that wooden doors were used in greece. As I seem to have missed a few facts there, feel free to disregard my point. On the subject of jumping, I can understand where you're coming from as far as mice and joisticks go. I don't use either of them myself, so can't say that I've ran into the circumstances you mentioned. I didn't mean for my suggestion to be considered anything more than that, and hope it wasn't taken that way. As far as raising the volume on the spikes goes, that's a great idea, and I'm rather ashamed of myself for not thinking of it. On the subject of multiple monsters, I do usually play on beginner or intermediate, as advanced (and particularly expert) usually kill me in the first or second room. As far as holding down enter to pick up objects goes, It's not a serious problem, and I can understand the technical difficulties. I suppose I'm just to used to playing beta 18 (I've put well over 48 hours into it) and am having a hard time readjusting. To conclude, I'd like to extend a sincere apology to the list, and Thomas in particular, as I didn't mean for my message to be anything other than observations. I didn't mean for this to create any kind of strife for Thomas, and certainly don't want people getting the wrong impression. John. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
I never held down Enter to pick up objects. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi all, First off, I'd like to apologize for bringing back a fairly old thread. I just got back from camp and have finished reading through 246 emails (what fun) and wanted to clarify a few points. I'd like to apologize for apparently giving the wrong impression with my message. I was in know way trying to force anything onto Thomas, or to gripe about anything in the game. I'd also like to stay that I read through the emails rather quickly, so I may have missed a few points. If so, please forgive my ignorance. ON the subject of audio, I've never really heard any actual weapons fire before, so if the new sounds are indeed more accurate, I owe thomas another apology. I was merely intending to put my observations on the new version of the game out. ON the subject of the doors, I'm no historian, thus had no idea that wooden doors were used in greece. As I seem to have missed a few facts there, feel free to disregard my point. On the subject of jumping, I can understand where you're coming from as far as mice and joisticks go. I don't use either of them myself, so can't say that I've ran into the circumstances you mentioned. I didn't mean for my suggestion to be considered anything more than that, and hope it wasn't taken that way. As far as raising the volume on the spikes goes, that's a great idea, and I'm rather ashamed of myself for not thinking of it. On the subject of multiple monsters, I do usually play on beginner or intermediate, as advanced (and particularly expert) usually kill me in the first or second room. As far as holding down enter to pick up objects goes, It's not a serious problem, and I can understand the technical difficulties. I suppose I'm just to used to playing beta 18 (I've put well over 48 hours into it) and am having a hard time readjusting. To conclude, I'd like to extend a sincere apology to the list, and Thomas in particular, as I didn't mean for my message to be anything other than observations. I didn't mean for this to create any kind of strife for Thomas, and certainly don't want people getting the wrong impression. John. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi John, wow that many emails, sounds painful! I can see the point about spikes vollume and agree it should be turned up a bit, sometimes I make the mistake of putting on too much speed and run headlong into a trap! As for the monster thing I always wondered, just out of interest, why it's only a monster in each room and why they don't move around randomly. I'd hate this to cause Thomas anymore stress, I'm just curious as to why it was done that way. I also love the music changes, the levers re-setting confuse me, especially if I accidentally wander back into a previous room, but it isn't a problem at all. Also I like Angela speaking that there's a dead end rather than just having her slam into a wall. Thanks from Lori. -- From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:48 PM To: Gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi all, First off, I'd like to apologize for bringing back a fairly old thread. I just got back from camp and have finished reading through 246 emails (what fun) and wanted to clarify a few points. I'd like to apologize for apparently giving the wrong impression with my message. I was in know way trying to force anything onto Thomas, or to gripe about anything in the game. I'd also like to stay that I read through the emails rather quickly, so I may have missed a few points. If so, please forgive my ignorance. ON the subject of audio, I've never really heard any actual weapons fire before, so if the new sounds are indeed more accurate, I owe thomas another apology. I was merely intending to put my observations on the new version of the game out. ON the subject of the doors, I'm no historian, thus had no idea that wooden doors were used in greece. As I seem to have missed a few facts there, feel free to disregard my point. On the subject of jumping, I can understand where you're coming from as far as mice and joisticks go. I don't use either of them myself, so can't say that I've ran into the circumstances you mentioned. I didn't mean for my suggestion to be considered anything more than that, and hope it wasn't taken that way. As far as raising the volume on the spikes goes, that's a great idea, and I'm rather ashamed of myself for not thinking of it. On the subject of multiple monsters, I do usually play on beginner or intermediate, as advanced (and particularly expert) usually kill me in the first or second room. As far as holding down enter to pick up objects goes, It's not a serious problem, and I can understand the technical difficulties. I suppose I'm just to used to playing beta 18 (I've put well over 48 hours into it) and am having a hard time readjusting. To conclude, I'd like to extend a sincere apology to the list, and Thomas in particular, as I didn't mean for my message to be anything other than observations. I didn't mean for this to create any kind of strife for Thomas, and certainly don't want people getting the wrong impression. John. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Btw the music in MOTA is some of the best music for an audio game that I have ever heard. Great job on that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:14 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Valiant, No. Version 1.0 will be fully encrypted. As soon as I'm done modding the sounds, settle on this or that, I am fully planning on encrypting everything. The days of someone hacking and modding the full release of the game will be much more difficult. I payed several hundred in sounds and music and I expect people to use them. Its an insult for people to delete or overwrite my sounds and put together their own game as far as I'm concerned. Language packs etc is one thing, but someone replacing sounds, music, etc I payed for with different ones is another. Cheers! On 8/17/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Or they can mod it, seeing the sounds are just wav files that could be easily replaced. Do you plan to keep the sounds that way? Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6390 (20110818) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6392 (20110819) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6392 (20110819) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Wouldn't that mean you couldn't use Shift for the running jump? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi, You could always use something like ctrl+I or shift+I or something like that. Hth, -Michael. -- From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Wouldn't that mean you couldn't use Shift for the running jump? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Why not use the alt key. Or maybe grave accent? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6393 (20110819) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6394 (20110819) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6394 (20110819) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Bryan, No, you could still use shift to run and for the running jump. The difference between shift and control is there are no speech commands asigned to shift. Therefore the speech silence function would not be interrupting a status message. For example, with the control key we have speak torches, speak current weapon, and speak potions. The problem with using control to silence speech is that if you hold down control and press t to speak torches it won't say anything because it is trying to speak at the same time its told to silence all speech. If we want to use control for silencing speech I'd have to remap the status commands to shift+t, shift+p, and shift+w, etc to keep that from happening. Alternatively if I use shift to silence speech it won't effect any status messages because there aren't any asigned or mapped to the shift. Just standard run and jump commands which don't necessarily require listening to status messages while moving anyway. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Michael, Actually, no I couldn't. the i, j, k, and l keys are alternative arrow keys for netbooks and laptops that don't have a full sized keyboard. So setting i to speech interrupt would not be a good idea. On 8/19/11, Michael Taboada (AI5HF) ai...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, You could always use something like ctrl+I or shift+I or something like that. Hth, -Michael. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi, Well, the alt key is problematic. At the moment because I used the Windows API to draw the Window the alt key is automatically asigned to pull up the blasted context window menu. I can't seem to find a decent way to disable this behavior. So if you pressed alt to silence speech you would also bring up the context menu for the game as well. The only way to fix that problem is to use something like Direct3D as a window manager so that it would free up the alt key for use in games. As for the grave accent key it could work, but it is way out of the way. It is not something that is a logical key asignment which brings us right back to the problem. I believe in mapping keys to logical keyboard assignments. The grave accent key isn't logical since most screen readers and speech devices use control or escape to silence speech. Cheers! On 8/19/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Why not use the alt key. Or maybe grave accent? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
The way it is right now is the simplest. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Michael Taboada (AI5HF) ai...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi, You could always use something like ctrl+I or shift+I or something like that. Hth, -Michael. -- From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Wouldn't that mean you couldn't use Shift for the running jump? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Scott, |Scott wrote: 1. Room 16, whatever the platform thing is in the middle of the big fire pit has a location but not a description of the object itself. My reply: Thanks. That bug has been around a while I thought I had fixed that in beta 21 but apparently not. I'll take a look at the code again and see if I can fix that one. Scott wrote: 2. Stairs still aren't announced in the view menu. This one's been around since last time I played and caught up on the list, must've been pre beta 18, so chances are you already know about it? My reply: Yeah, I know about this. They were never added to the view menu/command and it was one of those things I was putting off until I knew how many staircases would be in the game before adding them to the view command. They are actually one of the updates going into the game pretty soon. Scott wrote: The question is, while I do prefer the view command nowadays, is there a key to silence speech? When there are a lot of objects in a room, I quite often find it continuing to talk around other stats. It can get mega distracting when you're trying to barge your way through rooms My reply: That's a catch 22 at the moment. That functionality exists in the game, but is currently unasigned to a key, because I can't find a key that I can logically map it to. If I map it to control, for example, then commands like control+t won't speak the number of torches in your inventory. If I asign it to something like escape you can't use it to quit/escape the game, menus, etc. I'm thinking shift might be a good alternative, but I'm still open to suggestions. I really don't know what to use for silencing speech. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Well if using Shift to silence speech wouldn't interfere with running and jumping then why not do that? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi, Well, the alt key is problematic. At the moment because I used the Windows API to draw the Window the alt key is automatically asigned to pull up the blasted context window menu. I can't seem to find a decent way to disable this behavior. So if you pressed alt to silence speech you would also bring up the context menu for the game as well. The only way to fix that problem is to use something like Direct3D as a window manager so that it would free up the alt key for use in games. As for the grave accent key it could work, but it is way out of the way. It is not something that is a logical key asignment which brings us right back to the problem. I believe in mapping keys to logical keyboard assignments. The grave accent key isn't logical since most screen readers and speech devices use control or escape to silence speech. Cheers! On 8/19/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Why not use the alt key. Or maybe grave accent? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
One thing you could add to help make it clear when you missed a jump is to add a shorter scream or exhale followed by a fall noise to signal that you took a fall. You might also consider taking some damage when you jump near the top of a rope and fall. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Dark, As for your first point about jumping onto ledges and missing that's often the result of simply not jumping far enough. I've done it plenty of times myself and all I can say is to try again if that happens.You will get a feel for jumping onto ledges after a while. As to your second point that's an unresolved technical problem between side-scrollers and 3d based game play. You can not shoot from a staircase, ledge, etc because the look up/down commands page up and down only changes the y axis of view and unfortunally in MOTA the z axis is up/down. So I'm going have to write a custom look up/down function for this game specifically to resolve this problem or rewrite the targeting code to do this automatically in a 2d environment. Either way it is one of those things I intend to fix sometime between now and rc1. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi, I don't like that damage idea. For one thing, if there is a monster in the room below, it is totally to your advantage to jump down there before they start hurting you while you are on the rope. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Karl Belanger Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts One thing you could add to help make it clear when you missed a jump is to add a shorter scream or exhale followed by a fall noise to signal that you took a fall. You might also consider taking some damage when you jump near the top of a rope and fall. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Dark, As for your first point about jumping onto ledges and missing that's often the result of simply not jumping far enough. I've done it plenty of times myself and all I can say is to try again if that happens.You will get a feel for jumping onto ledges after a while. As to your second point that's an unresolved technical problem between side-scrollers and 3d based game play. You can not shoot from a staircase, ledge, etc because the look up/down commands page up and down only changes the y axis of view and unfortunally in MOTA the z axis is up/down. So I'm going have to write a custom look up/down function for this game specifically to resolve this problem or rewrite the targeting code to do this automatically in a 2d environment. Either way it is one of those things I intend to fix sometime between now and rc1. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3842 - Release Date: 08/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi, As a note, it somehow makes more sense for me that bronze spikes are bounded by metal instead of the exact same sound as the chasms and the firepits. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:20 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi John, Thanks for your thoughts and comments. However, I have a few responces of my own below. John wrote: I personally preferred the weapon sounds from beta 18. For me, the new ones are far more sci fi, and far less realistic. My reply: Well, that's unfortunate because the gun shots etc in beta 18 were low fidelity and I wanted to replace them with hi-fi sounds. As I purchased the new sounds for round about $35 I can't just afford to throw that money away and put the old ones back in. Besides I'm personally happy with the new sounds so if people want the old ones I'll see what other people have to say about them before I put the old sounds back in the game. John Wrote: The new door sounds sound like a haunted house rather than an ancient temple. The older ones (a stone door) really make the ambience authentic. My Reply: Not really. Most ancient greek temples used wooden doors not stone. Were this ancient Egypt or something stone would in deed be more appropriate here. So I think this is a situation of historical accuracy vs player perspective. So I'd like to hear others thoughts here. If the majority of the people want the stone doors back I'll do it, but it would not be historically accurate in my book. John wrote: The ability to jump continually (from beta 18) was an invaluable aid in making my times with the levers, and getting over the fire pit in level one and the chasm in level two. My Reply: Sorry, That is not technically possible. The way jumping worked in say beta 18 caused endless problems with joysticks, mice, etc. You had no control over when to jump and when you wanted to stop jumping because it would go into an infinite loop usually ending up with Angela in a fire, chasm, etc before you were able to stop. So restrictionms were put in place that you had to let go of the controls keyboard, mouse, joystick, whatever before starting a new jump. I'm sorry, but I had no choice but to do it this way. John Wrote: I really preferred the previous sound for nearing a spike. I've found the sound since beta 19 rather hard to here, particularly near statues. My Reply: I see. Rather than replacing them perhaps just increasing the volume might be a better solution? John Wrote: When picking up objects, you have to press enter on the object rather than holding it down. My Reply: Again this is a technical restriction. I changed the way the G3D Engine handles input to fix certain issues with handling input and in the process of fixing the bigger problem this was a side effect of the fix. So there isn't anything I can do but to restore the old input code which will introduce problems and bugs into the game that would be undesirable. So I'm afraid there isn't anything I can do to fix this behavior without causing more bugs and problems than it is worth. John Wrote: Right now, it's not that hard to blast my way through all the monsters in the game without getting hurt. The enemies with bows and fire spells are usually the only ones to hit me, seeing as I can just shoot the others before they get close. This leads into the suggestion: it might add a level of difficulty (perhaps in later levels, or in all of them if you like) to have more than one monster in a room. My Reply: What difficulty level are you playing on? I usually play on Advanced and Expert and believe me one enemy is more than enough of a challenge. If you are still playing on say Beginner then the game was intentionally made to be easy, and if you find it too easy then you need to play the game on a higher difficulty setting. That's all I can really suggest at the moment. As for multiple enemies though its a good idea, but that feature will not be in the side-scroller version of the game. I can say, however, that the 3D FPS version I am working on does have multiple enemies in a room. If that is a feature you really want then I suggest you check out the FPS version as soon as that version is released. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Hayden, That's precisely why I removed the ledges from the bronze spikes. The spikes are made out of bronze and so is the metal edges that surround them. Plus keep in mind they are not a pit, but huge sspikes stuck out of the ground you have to jump over so the floor shouldn't crumble given that the floor itself is undamaged.The floor is holding the spikes up not caved in like a pit. HTH On 8/18/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, As a note, it somehow makes more sense for me that bronze spikes are bounded by metal instead of the exact same sound as the chasms and the firepits. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
Hi Valiant, No. Version 1.0 will be fully encrypted. As soon as I'm done modding the sounds, settle on this or that, I am fully planning on encrypting everything. The days of someone hacking and modding the full release of the game will be much more difficult. I payed several hundred in sounds and music and I expect people to use them. Its an insult for people to delete or overwrite my sounds and put together their own game as far as I'm concerned. Language packs etc is one thing, but someone replacing sounds, music, etc I payed for with different ones is another. Cheers! On 8/17/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Or they can mod it, seeing the sounds are just wav files that could be easily replaced. Do you plan to keep the sounds that way? Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts
I heartily agree. A free game is one thing but a commercial one, no way. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi Valiant, No. Version 1.0 will be fully encrypted. As soon as I'm done modding the sounds, settle on this or that, I am fully planning on encrypting everything. The days of someone hacking and modding the full release of the game will be much more difficult. I payed several hundred in sounds and music and I expect people to use them. Its an insult for people to delete or overwrite my sounds and put together their own game as far as I'm concerned. Language packs etc is one thing, but someone replacing sounds, music, etc I payed for with different ones is another. Cheers! On 8/17/11, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Or they can mod it, seeing the sounds are just wav files that could be easily replaced. Do you plan to keep the sounds that way? Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree. I've fired enough guns in my life to be able to say that as well. And I've done enough archery to know that the bow sounds are more or less spot on also. Granted most of my experience was with a much smaller bow than what I imagine the bow Angela finds would be. And that one sounded qite different. Given my shall we say, small stature I'd probably still need a child's bow since I don't know if I could draw a full-sized one effectively. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi. I like the newer sounds myself. I've recorded gunshots myself and they sound more like the newer ones than what the original mota gunshots sounded like. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/16/2011 12:08 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: Maybe release the Beta 18 sounds as a separate sound pack? That way those who wanted it could have it while those who, like me, are happy with the newer sounds, could stick with those. It's the sae idea that was discussed with regard to speech packs with different voices. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota beta 22 thoughts Hi John, Thanks for your thoughts and comments. However, I have a few responces of my own below. John wrote: I personally preferred the weapon sounds from beta 18. For me, the new ones are far more sci fi, and far less realistic. My reply: Well, that's unfortunate because the gun shots etc in beta 18 were low fidelity and I wanted to replace them with hi-fi sounds. As I purchased the new sounds for round about $35 I can't just afford to throw that money away and put the old ones back in. Besides I'm personally happy with the new sounds so if people want the old ones I'll see what other people have to say about them before I put the old sounds back in the game. John Wrote: The new door sounds sound like a haunted house rather than an ancient temple. The older ones (a stone door) really make the ambience authentic. My Reply: Not really. Most ancient greek temples used wooden doors not stone. Were this ancient Egypt or something stone would in deed be more appropriate here. So I think this is a situation of historical accuracy vs player perspective. So I'd like to hear others thoughts here. If the majority of the people want the stone doors back I'll do it, but it would not be historically accurate in my book. John wrote: The ability to jump continually (from beta 18) was an invaluable aid in making my times with the levers, and getting over the fire pit in level one and the chasm in level two. My Reply: Sorry, That is not technically possible. The way jumping worked in say beta 18 caused endless problems with joysticks, mice, etc. You had no control over when to jump and when you wanted to stop jumping because it would go into an infinite loop usually ending up with Angela in a fire, chasm, etc before you were able to stop. So restrictionms were put in place that you had to let go of the controls keyboard, mouse, joystick, whatever before starting a new jump. I'm sorry, but I had no choice but to do it this way. John Wrote: I really preferred the previous sound for nearing a spike. I've found the sound since beta 19 rather hard to here, particularly near statues. My Reply: I see. Rather than replacing them perhaps just increasing the volume might be a better solution? John Wrote: When picking up objects, you have to press enter on the object rather than holding it down. My Reply: Again this is a technical restriction. I changed the way the G3D Engine handles input to fix certain issues with handling input and in the process of fixing the bigger problem this was a side effect of the fix. So there isn't anything I can do but to restore the old input code which will introduce problems and bugs into the game that would be undesirable. So I'm afraid there isn't anything I can do to fix this behavior without causing more bugs and problems than it is worth. John Wrote: Right now, it's not that hard to blast my way through all the monsters in the game without getting hurt. The enemies with bows and fire spells are usually the only ones to hit me, seeing as I can just shoot the others before they get close. This leads into the suggestion: it might add a level of difficulty (perhaps in later levels, or in all of them if you like) to have more than one monster in a room. My Reply: What difficulty level are you playing on? I usually play on Advanced and Expert and believe me one enemy is more than enough of a challenge. If you are still playing on say Beginner then the game was intentionally made to be easy, and if you find it too easy then you
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Dark, As for your first point about jumping onto ledges and missing that's often the result of simply not jumping far enough. I've done it plenty of times myself and all I can say is to try again if that happens.You will get a feel for jumping onto ledges after a while. As to your second point that's an unresolved technical problem between side-scrollers and 3d based game play. You can not shoot from a staircase, ledge, etc because the look up/down commands page up and down only changes the y axis of view and unfortunally in MOTA the z axis is up/down. So I'm going have to write a custom look up/down function for this game specifically to resolve this problem or rewrite the targeting code to do this automatically in a 2d environment. Either way it is one of those things I intend to fix sometime between now and rc1. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi. With your rope problem, don't forget about analogue jumping. You have to jump far enough when on a rope too just like with ledges. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.10 portable. On 8/17/2011 10:50 AM, dark wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. Fair enough on the look code. part of the problem is the instant you see an enemy, it's attacking you even when your above it on the stairs and it's below you. in a game like super castlevania (which had lots of stairs), you would usually just have to wait until the enemy patrolled away from the bottom of the stairs so that you could go down and hitt it. This might actually be an alternative solution for the side scroller, making enemies patrol back and forth and having the enemies only targit you when your on the same level as them. As I said with jumping, it didn't seem to happen with pits, for instance I could get over that first fire pit with either a running jump, or a standing jump from right on the ledge provided I held the keys, but it did seem to happen on ropes for some reason more often though this might just be me needing to get used to the mechanics (something which is actually nice to see in an audio game for once). i'll give the game another try and see if I can work around this. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Dark, As for your first point about jumping onto ledges and missing that's often the result of simply not jumping far enough. I've done it plenty of times myself and all I can say is to try again if that happens.You will get a feel for jumping onto ledges after a while. As to your second point that's an unresolved technical problem between side-scrollers and 3d based game play. You can not shoot from a staircase, ledge, etc because the look up/down commands page up and down only changes the y axis of view and unfortunally in MOTA the z axis is up/down. So I'm going have to write a custom look up/down function for this game specifically to resolve this problem or rewrite the targeting code to do this automatically in a 2d environment. Either way it is one of those things I intend to fix sometime between now and rc1. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Just a tidbit to add to the stairs discussion, it's currently not possible to run up/down stairs either. Would be handy if you could get that resolved, what with there being so many timed levers in the game. Cheers Scott On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Fair enough on the look code. part of the problem is the instant you see an enemy, it's attacking you even when your above it on the stairs and it's below you. in a game like super castlevania (which had lots of stairs), you would usually just have to wait until the enemy patrolled away from the bottom of the stairs so that you could go down and hitt it. This might actually be an alternative solution for the side scroller, making enemies patrol back and forth and having the enemies only targit you when your on the same level as them. As I said with jumping, it didn't seem to happen with pits, for instance I could get over that first fire pit with either a running jump, or a standing jump from right on the ledge provided I held the keys, but it did seem to happen on ropes for some reason more often though this might just be me needing to get used to the mechanics (something which is actually nice to see in an audio game for once). i'll give the game another try and see if I can work around this. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts Hi Dark, As for your first point about jumping onto ledges and missing that's often the result of simply not jumping far enough. I've done it plenty of times myself and all I can say is to try again if that happens.You will get a feel for jumping onto ledges after a while. As to your second point that's an unresolved technical problem between side-scrollers and 3d based game play. You can not shoot from a staircase, ledge, etc because the look up/down commands page up and down only changes the y axis of view and unfortunally in MOTA the z axis is up/down. So I'm going have to write a custom look up/down function for this game specifically to resolve this problem or rewrite the targeting code to do this automatically in a 2d environment. Either way it is one of those things I intend to fix sometime between now and rc1. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Well I've finally6 got a copy of mota, and I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far, the analogue jump system is as i expected, as is the running jumps. the only two miner niggles I have are first, for some reason you don't always seem to reach a ledge after climbing up a rope and jumping off, sometimes you fall back to the bottom even when you've climbed as far as you can upwards. A note, perhaps the indicator saying stone ledge whenb your in a position to jump off might help, as might an indicator on how far you have fallen. Also, for some reason i can't attack monsters if I'm on a flight of stairs. After jumping the big gap and climbing downwards, there's a flight of steps going down and usually an enemy down there. whatever weapon I use, I don't seem able to targit at all. if there is a key to targit my attacks to a monster below me, I'd like to know. Other than that, i'm liking thus far, and these two issues might just be me getting used to the mechanics. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want
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Hi Dark, About patrolling monsters that's actually a good idea. That was a feature of Montezuma's Revenge as you would recall and it did change the game play quite a bit as monsters didn't stick in one place and then move in for the kill as soon as you appeared. They constantly moved around and only atacked when you were on the same level as them and they were in attack range of course. So that might be an idea for future consideration. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Fair enough on the look code. part of the problem is the instant you see an enemy, it's attacking you even when your above it on the stairs and it's below you. in a game like super castlevania (which had lots of stairs), you would usually just have to wait until the enemy patrolled away from the bottom of the stairs so that you could go down and hitt it. This might actually be an alternative solution for the side scroller, making enemies patrol back and forth and having the enemies only targit you when your on the same level as them. As I said with jumping, it didn't seem to happen with pits, for instance I could get over that first fire pit with either a running jump, or a standing jump from right on the ledge provided I held the keys, but it did seem to happen on ropes for some reason more often though this might just be me needing to get used to the mechanics (something which is actually nice to see in an audio game for once). i'll give the game another try and see if I can work around this. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota thoughts
Hi Scott, That sounds like a good idea. You are right. You should be able to run up or down a flight of stairs given the fact that statues etc are on a timer and speeding up travel time would help. I'll look into adding that feature. On 8/17/11, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Just a tidbit to add to the stairs discussion, it's currently not possible to run up/down stairs either. Would be handy if you could get that resolved, what with there being so many timed levers in the game. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
