Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions
Hi Dark, Oh, that's okay. I do understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to sound quite so irritable yesterday, but sometimes it does get to be slightly frustrating to recieve several messages in a row on a particular bug or problem with the game or a product. Especially, when the changes.txt file is there to tell customers what has been fixed, and what hasn't been fixed. If a particular bug isn't in the changes.txt file than it is safe to say that problem hasnt' yet been addressed for one reason or another. Perhaps one way to solve this problem is to ship a shortened todo.txt file with the game so customers can see what changes are scheduled for the next release ahead of time. That would save us both duplicating requests and scheduling in advance. However, as I said though it would have to be a shortened version of the todo list as there are things in there I wouldn't necessarily want the public to view such as the location of a new trap, or some plans for a hidden lever/pressure switch that should be found by the player. Such hints would give too many secrets away from the paying customers. Plus I sometimes often change my todo list midway through development as a bug or problem crops up during public testing that take spriority over whatever is in the todo file. Anyway, it is funny you should mention the pause key. As it turns out it isn't working in beta 12, and I never noticed as I never use that command much myself. So I completely understand how a developer can overlook something like that. If the developer doesn't use it, doesn't really need it, it takes someone else to point it out to him/her that the pause key is not working. I imagine the same bug was present in beta 11 as well, but nobody noticed until now. So, yes, we developers do have a way of overlooking the obvious stuff sometimes. Just talking to Phil yesterday showed me the proof of that. Here I had designed a speed attribute into the engine to give each and every player and enemy a maximum speed, and yet never used it in Mysteries of the Ancients. I just set all of the enemies default speed to 1 which is pretty slow. It would have made more sense to make the centaurs and harpies move fairly fast while skeletons and zombies fairly slow. Sounds obvious now, but in the haste of developing the game, porting the engine from .Net to C++, etc something that miner never even entered my mind. Was too much to do than to think about weather or not this or that enemy should move quickly or slowly. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions
actually i like the idea of having a known bugs list which you could send out, sinse that should hopefully hold off a lot of comments of obvious things you already know, and hopefully keep thoughts original. Perhaps listing bugs where property or thing x doesn't work correctly rather than a todo list with incert giant rabbit of death boss at end of level 2 you could thus avoid spoilers. As regards comments, well it is partly my fault. i do try not to read threads about betas until I've tried them sinse I like to make up my own mind, and if someone posts I find this impossible! it might change my thinking (such a thing I'd rather discover on my own). However I should really have considdered that everyone else would've noticed this issue, --- including you. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions Hi Dark, Oh, that's okay. I do understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to sound quite so irritable yesterday, but sometimes it does get to be slightly frustrating to recieve several messages in a row on a particular bug or problem with the game or a product. Especially, when the changes.txt file is there to tell customers what has been fixed, and what hasn't been fixed. If a particular bug isn't in the changes.txt file than it is safe to say that problem hasnt' yet been addressed for one reason or another. Perhaps one way to solve this problem is to ship a shortened todo.txt file with the game so customers can see what changes are scheduled for the next release ahead of time. That would save us both duplicating requests and scheduling in advance. However, as I said though it would have to be a shortened version of the todo list as there are things in there I wouldn't necessarily want the public to view such as the location of a new trap, or some plans for a hidden lever/pressure switch that should be found by the player. Such hints would give too many secrets away from the paying customers. Plus I sometimes often change my todo list midway through development as a bug or problem crops up during public testing that take spriority over whatever is in the todo file. Anyway, it is funny you should mention the pause key. As it turns out it isn't working in beta 12, and I never noticed as I never use that command much myself. So I completely understand how a developer can overlook something like that. If the developer doesn't use it, doesn't really need it, it takes someone else to point it out to him/her that the pause key is not working. I imagine the same bug was present in beta 11 as well, but nobody noticed until now. So, yes, we developers do have a way of overlooking the obvious stuff sometimes. Just talking to Phil yesterday showed me the proof of that. Here I had designed a speed attribute into the engine to give each and every player and enemy a maximum speed, and yet never used it in Mysteries of the Ancients. I just set all of the enemies default speed to 1 which is pretty slow. It would have made more sense to make the centaurs and harpies move fairly fast while skeletons and zombies fairly slow. Sounds obvious now, but in the haste of developing the game, porting the engine from .Net to C++, etc something that miner never even entered my mind. Was too much to do than to think about weather or not this or that enemy should move quickly or slowly. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions
Hi Dark, I know. Beleive me I've heard this before way too many times to count from multiple sources. However, the problems you speak of are not easy problems to fix. I can not just snap my fingers and they are fixed. They will take time and research to fix. As those were not critical bugs I decided to put those on the back burner, so to speak, and worked on the really critical errors like the sound panning and crash dialog. As you know it took me about a month to do what I did, and there is still a mountain of work to do before this thing is ready. So please do understand I haven't forgotten to do this. It is just a manner of trying to figure out what needs fixed first, second, and third so to speak. If I could fix everything all at once the game would be ready for sale by now. For example, most people, not necessarily you, assume I can simply add a keystroke to make the cutscene go away. Actually, there is one but it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is because the LoadLevel() function is called by the input thread. Meaning while the level is loading the keyboard thread is temperarily suspended while the level loads. That means no keyboard support at all while our cutscene is playing. I tried putting it on its own thread but the game crashed big time. So between crashing or no keyboard support for the moment my choice was rather obvious for stability reasons. Eventually, I'll fix it, but hey it takes time and work to try to fix a bug and debug it properly. However, since everyone is driving me up the wall asking about the view command and the cutscene I'll spend this entire week working on those two problems specifically. Maybe then I won't have to hear about them any more. Cheers! On 5/10/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. appologies if this has been mentioned already. I've just had chance to try mota 12. Very nice, I deffinately like the fact that the pan bug is fixed (it kept getting Dr. Carter frazled in fire pits), and I deffinately like smacking harpies to death with a bull whip. the player comments are great, they actually give the good doctor just the personality she needs. My only miner irritation thus far, is that there is no way either to interupt the intro, or the view messages. In terms of the intro, it would be nice if I didn't have to read the inscription each and every time I pla, sinse cool though it is, it is a bit much the tenth time. Also, i would like to see a way of interupting the view messages, sinse if I just want view information of the closest object it'd prefer not to have to sit through a full description of everything in the room. this is particularly true when jumping firepits. apart from that, everything seems great thus far, though i haven't quite made it to the 2nd level yet. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions
Appologies Tom. in truth, I've been traveling 100 miles south to see my parents, changing computers, and backing various things up on my external drive, so I've not been reading the mota comments thread until i'd actually had time to try the game. This wasn't intended as an imperative you must drop everything else and fix this now!rather as a please add this to the bug fix list I've seen some very compitant developers occasionally forget fairly symple things, which isn't surprising given how complex coding is, which is why I point such things out in the first place. For instance, I've seen games released which totally lack a pause feature. This isn't anyone's fault, --- just that in the rush of adding stuff, developers happened to forget. so basically, my point is yes, having the interupt work without crashing would be good, eventually! Actually I'm most pleased that the pan thing is fixed, because this was making the previous beta damnably difficult! however sinse you'd already mentioned it as a yet unfixed bug, i saw no need to mention it again. Good luck with the developement. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing more levels and enemies, the zombies are deffinately fun! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions Hi Dark, I know. Beleive me I've heard this before way too many times to count from multiple sources. However, the problems you speak of are not easy problems to fix. I can not just snap my fingers and they are fixed. They will take time and research to fix. As those were not critical bugs I decided to put those on the back burner, so to speak, and worked on the really critical errors like the sound panning and crash dialog. As you know it took me about a month to do what I did, and there is still a mountain of work to do before this thing is ready. So please do understand I haven't forgotten to do this. It is just a manner of trying to figure out what needs fixed first, second, and third so to speak. If I could fix everything all at once the game would be ready for sale by now. For example, most people, not necessarily you, assume I can simply add a keystroke to make the cutscene go away. Actually, there is one but it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is because the LoadLevel() function is called by the input thread. Meaning while the level is loading the keyboard thread is temperarily suspended while the level loads. That means no keyboard support at all while our cutscene is playing. I tried putting it on its own thread but the game crashed big time. So between crashing or no keyboard support for the moment my choice was rather obvious for stability reasons. Eventually, I'll fix it, but hey it takes time and work to try to fix a bug and debug it properly. However, since everyone is driving me up the wall asking about the view command and the cutscene I'll spend this entire week working on those two problems specifically. Maybe then I won't have to hear about them any more. Cheers! On 5/10/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. appologies if this has been mentioned already. I've just had chance to try mota 12. Very nice, I deffinately like the fact that the pan bug is fixed (it kept getting Dr. Carter frazled in fire pits), and I deffinately like smacking harpies to death with a bull whip. the player comments are great, they actually give the good doctor just the personality she needs. My only miner irritation thus far, is that there is no way either to interupt the intro, or the view messages. In terms of the intro, it would be nice if I didn't have to read the inscription each and every time I pla, sinse cool though it is, it is a bit much the tenth time. Also, i would like to see a way of interupting the view messages, sinse if I just want view information of the closest object it'd prefer not to have to sit through a full description of everything in the room. this is particularly true when jumping firepits. apart from that, everything seems great thus far, though i haven't quite made it to the 2nd level yet. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions
The interrupting the speech is definitely on the to-do list but it won't be fixed until THomas can figure that out. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle of ggh. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:07 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Mota interuptions Hi Tom. appologies if this has been mentioned already. I've just had chance to try mota 12. Very nice, I deffinately like the fact that the pan bug is fixed (it kept getting Dr. Carter frazled in fire pits), and I deffinately like smacking harpies to death with a bull whip. the player comments are great, they actually give the good doctor just the personality she needs. My only miner irritation thus far, is that there is no way either to interupt the intro, or the view messages. In terms of the intro, it would be nice if I didn't have to read the inscription each and every time I pla, sinse cool though it is, it is a bit much the tenth time. Also, i would like to see a way of interupting the view messages, sinse if I just want view information of the closest object it'd prefer not to have to sit through a full description of everything in the room. this is particularly true when jumping firepits. apart from that, everything seems great thus far, though i haven't quite made it to the 2nd level yet. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
