Re: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation
You did absolutely nothing wrong other than, perhaps, explaining in your post, wherever it should have gone to, the reason you wanted the downloads. Then again, hindsight is always 20/20. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation Hi all, I'd like to extend both my apologies and my explanation for the Rogue Angel request that showed up late yesterday evening. I'm also very sorry that this has turned into something of a debate as it did not need to be if you properly understood what happened, and my intentions regarding these Rogue Angel programs. First, as I said the message got sent to this list quite by accident. There is a mailing list where books are shared, and the message was intended for that list. However, somehow, unknown to me, it got sent to this list instead. Thus the issue we now face. Second, I've been accused of piracy by several list members. I've been called a spade, to faced, etc. However, many of you jumped to conclusions, accused me unjustly, without completely understanding my intentions or plans. You just assumed I intended to pirate the materials outright. That's not true. Since I need to give an explanation for why I was asking for these materials I will do so at this time. You are free to except or not except my reasons below. Whenever I purchase a music cd, movie, book, you name it I'd like to have an opportunity to watch, listen to, or read it before buying it. Since I knew these Rogue Angel programs were out there I was hoping to listen to them, and if I liked them I would buy them from Graphic Audio. If I didn't care for them I would delete them as I'd have no use for them. either way my intentions was to preview the material I was thinking about buying. If that is a crime then I guess that means we can't watch TV or listen to the radio any more because Both are good sources for previewing movies and music right? I'll leave you all with these basic questions. How many of you have gone out and purchased a music cd not having heard a single song on it on the radio before? How many of you have gone out and purchased a movie on dvd without having seen it on HBO, Show Time, Stars, etc before? How many of you have gone out and purchased an audio book without having listened to it from the public library before? So with that in mind if my intent is to preview or listen to these audio dramas before purchasing them does that make me a criminal? If I watch a movie on tv before buying it does that make me a criminal? If I hear a song on the radio before buying the cd does that make me a criminal? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation
You ask: If someone was to hack mota then decide they liked it thus they buy it does that make the act of piracy legal? No. But is Thomas hacking or modifying what he receives, making it into a full version? Obviously not. See the difference? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation Hi Thomas, I'm sorry but the original point still stands. Whether you intend to buy a given product after illegally accessing it or not isn't the question. If someone was to hack mota then decide they liked it thus they buy it does that make the act of piracy legal? On the radio you are legally aloud to listen to the music or productions broadcast. The company to whom these said music and or productions belong to get listening time and also revenue for allowing their works to be legally broadcast. I'm sorry but your argument is flawed. Completely flawed. It doesn't matter your reasoning for pirating some graphic novel. The point is you've done it whilst upholding the list guidelines which expressly forbids piracy on this list of any kind. Whether it be the discussion of there of or actual links to sites where piracy is actively encouraged. If you were a normal list member then I personally wouldn't care I would just think of this as hypocritical actions if you decided to openly criticise people who knowingly pirate software and the like yet you do it yourself. But you aren't. not only are you a list moderator, you are also the owner of your own company who has yourself been warned by another company with regards to piracy of their game. I'm sorry Thomas, do the honourable thing and save face. You can't justify this. I'm sorry but you can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation
I hope they see your intent, and you remain a moderator. It's the fair thing to do. Those who don't see your point of view just aren't looking past their own. I'm totally against piracy, and what you asked for was not in any way an attempt at piracy, which anyone can see after reading your posts on the matter. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Apologies and Explanation Hi Darren, And what exactly do you consider saving face in this case? I've already done the damage, according to you and others my reputation as a moderator is shot, and I'm a hypocrite, etc. I've explained my intent, my point of view, and many of you don't agree with it. For that reason we will simply have to agree to disagree. It will do neither you or I any good to argue the point on list any further. You've made your opinion known and so have I. Is it possible to offer a truce, and move on? This I will say. I will shortly be e-mailing Kevin and Raul asking them for their decision regarding my moderator status. If they say I should resign I will do so willingly. If they want to suspend me from the list for x days or months I'll have to live with that decision. If they decide this is an unfortunate accident and do nothing so be it. I'll put myself at their decision and mercy considering this matter. Darren Harris wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sorry but the original point still stands. Whether you intend to buy a given product after illegally accessing it or not isn't the question. If someone was to hack mota then decide they liked it thus they buy it does that make the act of piracy legal? On the radio you are legally aloud to listen to the music or productions broadcast. The company to whom these said music and or productions belong to get listening time and also revenue for allowing their works to be legally broadcast. I'm sorry but your argument is flawed. Completely flawed. It doesn't matter your reasoning for pirating some graphic novel. The point is you've done it whilst upholding the list guidelines which expressly forbids piracy on this list of any kind. Whether it be the discussion of there of or actual links to sites where piracy is actively encouraged. If you were a normal list member then I personally wouldn't care I would just think of this as hypocritical actions if you decided to openly criticise people who knowingly pirate software and the like yet you do it yourself. But you aren't. not only are you a list moderator, you are also the owner of your own company who has yourself been warned by another company with regards to piracy of their game. I'm sorry Thomas, do the honourable thing and save face. You can't justify this. I'm sorry but you can't. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.700 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2484 - Release Date: 11/06/09 07:38:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
