Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Btw jim what game comes with waver and reader? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 04 November 2010 11:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Jim, Actually, I think the first live action game for the blind would have to be Lone Wolf. It was GMA's second title and it was real time based rather than turn based. Lone Wolf 1.0 was for Dos, but eventually David Greenwood rewrote it in VB 6 and then 2.0 and later were full Windows releases. So Lone Wolf probably takes the credit since it was out far longer than Shades of Doom. Although, Shades of Doom was probably the first true First-Person game for the blind. HTH On 11/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Neophyte, Thanks, and thanks for checking out my site. Yeah, text based games were the first and only accessible games for us for a very long time. Like the Infocom text adventure games and all of the BBS door games and the like. That is one reason that it is so fun to be able to write and play live action audio games. Even just simple ones like Pong were revolutionary for blind accessible games. But I believe that Shades of Doom was the first true live action accessible audio game. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
HI there Neophyte Welcome to the list. I joined this list in 2004. It's a great place to talk about games. My favorite audiogames is pipe2 blast chamber, troopanum, and hunter from: www.bscgames.com. From what country are you? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: 02 November 2010 02:11 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi there, I've just joined up and thought it would be seemly if I said hello. I'm Neophyte and I blog at a site called In The Company of Grues. I'm sighted but a couple of my blind interactive fiction peers have been helping me gain a more complex understanding of accessibility gaming, something I've been a quiet advocate of for a number of years in my work within the games industry. More recently, I started work on a couple of projects and was inspired to join Audyssey. I'm currently playing a few games from the 2010 IF competition and I'm reading a great book called Wake, by science fiction author Robert Sawyer. The book was recommended to me by a blind friend who used to play Eamon games and interactive fiction. Well, hopefully this all works. This is the first time I've used an email discussion list. Chat soon. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3257 - Release Date: 11/14/10 19:34:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Thomas, Actually there was no such thing as an accessible live action audio dos game for us. All though David Greenwood and PCS Games tried and emulated it pretty good, like with Cops and Robbers. The thing is, we had no Basic wave file playing code. So to play a wave file we would use the Basic shell command to use an external wave file player program. Of course though with this method the game was totally suspended while the wave file was being played. But in Windows with DirectX and sapi5 they have the ability to play a wave file and speak in an asynchronous manner. So unlike the dos games the program can continue and can do calculations, get keyboard or joystick input, play another wave file, stop speech and start new speech etc. In dos none of that could happen while the game was shelled out to play the wave file. I could be wrong, but I believe that David created Shades of Doom before he converted Lone Wolf to a windows version. TGIF and BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Actually, I think the first live action game for the blind would have to be Lone Wolf. It was GMA's second title and it was real time based rather than turn based. Lone Wolf 1.0 was for Dos, but eventually David Greenwood rewrote it in VB 6 and then 2.0 and later were full Windows releases. So Lone Wolf probably takes the credit since it was out far longer than Shades of Doom. Although, Shades of Doom was probably the first true First-Person game for the blind. HTH On 11/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Neophyte, Thanks, and thanks for checking out my site. Yeah, text based games were the first and only accessible games for us for a very long time. Like the Infocom text adventure games and all of the BBS door games and the like. That is one reason that it is so fun to be able to write and play live action audio games. Even just simple ones like Pong were revolutionary for blind accessible games. But I believe that Shades of Doom was the first true live action accessible audio game. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Jim History - the mistakes that we cannot avoid in the future j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Jim, Good point. Yes, I remember how difficult it was to play a sound under Dos. In fact, I had the very same issue under Linux before they began developing APIs like SDL, SFML, OpenGL, and OpenAL which provided better means for handling input, audio, graphics, etc. For example, I can remember around 1998 or 1999 when I was learning C++ at Wright State I decided to write a few simple card and board games for Linux. As you pointed out there was nothing like DirectX available so I'd have to do something like system (play shuffle.wav); which basicly executed the Sox play shell command and told it which wav file to play. It only allowed me to play one wav file at a time so was only good for simple games like Blackjack, Poker, Uno, Monopoly, or something like that. True real time action games weren't possible on Linux until SDL and other APIs came along a few years later. Anyway, I'm pretty sure David Greenwood ported lone Wolf to Windows before Shades of Doom because I purchased Lone Wolf while Shades of Doom was still in alpha. At that time Lone Wolf 2.0 was already out, was rreleased, while Shades of Doom was still under development. However, David Greenwood had talked about the idea of making a Doom clone clear back as early as 99, but didn't get it done until around late 2000 or maybe early 2001. Perhaps you are thinking of that? Cheers! On 11/5/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Actually there was no such thing as an accessible live action audio dos game for us. All though David Greenwood and PCS Games tried and emulated it pretty good, like with Cops and Robbers. The thing is, we had no Basic wave file playing code. So to play a wave file we would use the Basic shell command to use an external wave file player program. Of course though with this method the game was totally suspended while the wave file was being played. But in Windows with DirectX and sapi5 they have the ability to play a wave file and speak in an asynchronous manner. So unlike the dos games the program can continue and can do calculations, get keyboard or joystick input, play another wave file, stop speech and start new speech etc. In dos none of that could happen while the game was shelled out to play the wave file. I could be wrong, but I believe that David created Shades of Doom before he converted Lone Wolf to a windows version. TGIF and BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
I'm not Neophyte, Hayden. Was meant to write to Neo. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Muhammed, Ah, that's because he just yesterday removed it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:31 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hey Muhammed, I tried to join your list, but got my email got bounced. Would there be any reason for that? Cheers, Neophyte. Actually, you forgot me, but doesn't matter, I am perfectly fign with that. It was your first time, and you should have a happy time on this list. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Muhammed, Wince...I noticed that when I read it. Sorry aboutthat. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Muhammed Deniz Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello I'm not Neophyte, Hayden. Was meant to write to Neo. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Muhammed, Ah, that's because he just yesterday removed it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:31 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hey Muhammed, I tried to join your list, but got my email got bounced. Would there be any reason for that? Cheers, Neophyte. Actually, you forgot me, but doesn't matter, I am perfectly fign with that. It was your first time, and you should have a happy time on this list. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Neophyte, Thanks, and thanks for checking out my site. Yeah, text based games were the first and only accessible games for us for a very long time. Like the Infocom text adventure games and all of the BBS door games and the like. That is one reason that it is so fun to be able to write and play live action audio games. Even just simple ones like Pong were revolutionary for blind accessible games. But I believe that Shades of Doom was the first true live action accessible audio game. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Thomas, I never had a Dectalk. My first hardware synthesizer was an Accent SA. It was the most responsive dos speech synthesizer. Also the most mechanical sounding. I also had a Double Talk internal (PCI) synthesizer. The Accent SA plugged into a serial port. It is not as responsive when I tried to run it with JFW 4.02. The Triple Talk has the same sound chip as the Double Talk, but it is an external synthesizer like the Accent SA. It came with a serial cord, but also a USB cord, so I am using it USB. Of course a hardware synthesizer uses far far less system resources. It also gives speech independently of the sound card, sound drivers, Windows sound system etc. And as you said, it isn't talking through the sound card so doesn't get in the way of recording. However I do have to say that I love the way more human sounding sapi5 voices. Especially the female ones. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Grin. I guess that does make you a dinosaur. Lol! Seriously though I often miss my Dectalk Express, and am a bit dismayed screen readers are so absolutely focused on software synths myself. There are certainly advantages to using a hardware synth Such as sound editing, sound recording, etc alone where you don't want Eloquence and so on being recorded in the background. Once upon a time before Speakup started using software synths like Espeak you could boot Linux and have all the startup prompts and shutdown prompts read for you. With a software synth the OS has to be fully loaded before you can get speech output. Kind of a step backwards in my opinion. On 11/3/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Guess I'm a dinosaur as I would not be without my Triple Talk USB hardware synthesizer on my game development computer. Not for human speech quality, but in other ways it is so much better than Eloquence. BFN Jim BBS: a method to triple your phone bill. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Jim No I am not talking to myself again, I am talking to the voices. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Hayden, Good question. I would imagine there are lots of reasons for why the screen readers decided to go for software synths rather than hardware synths. They are more portible, they are cheaper to purchase, they are easier to suppport, and so on. At any rate we really need to get things back on topic. I fear we are gtting way off topic here, and need to get back on topic. Smile. On 11/3/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sure you can. (no sarcasm attatched to that comment) Grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Jim, Actually, I think the first live action game for the blind would have to be Lone Wolf. It was GMA's second title and it was real time based rather than turn based. Lone Wolf 1.0 was for Dos, but eventually David Greenwood rewrote it in VB 6 and then 2.0 and later were full Windows releases. So Lone Wolf probably takes the credit since it was out far longer than Shades of Doom. Although, Shades of Doom was probably the first true First-Person game for the blind. HTH On 11/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Neophyte, Thanks, and thanks for checking out my site. Yeah, text based games were the first and only accessible games for us for a very long time. Like the Infocom text adventure games and all of the BBS door games and the like. That is one reason that it is so fun to be able to write and play live action audio games. Even just simple ones like Pong were revolutionary for blind accessible games. But I believe that Shades of Doom was the first true live action accessible audio game. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Yes, Mysteries of the Ancients will use the same product key regardless of platform and operating system. I am a pretty fair minded person and I don't think someone should have to pay for the same game twice if they want a Linux and aWindows version. On 11/4/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: grml is also debian but now I know vinux has everything thats what I will end up getting. I am not a source hacker. I will however shortly have an old basically conked out box that has real issues with its heating. I am going to dedicate that to linux. I still like windows as my main os but linux is probably something I will use for my old games and mota and other things to. when you sell your games with multiplatform capability will my registration work for both products, or oses? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Muhammed, Ah, that's because he just yesterday removed it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:31 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hey Muhammed, I tried to join your list, but got my email got bounced. Would there be any reason for that? Cheers, Neophyte. Actually, you forgot me, but doesn't matter, I am perfectly fign with that. It was your first time, and you should have a happy time on this list. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi, When it comes to Linux almost everyone uses Orca the screen reader for the Gnome graphical desktop environment. It comes with one free software synth, ESpeak, but you can compile or configure speech drivers for a lot of other software synths such as the Cepstral voices, Eloquence, Dectalk, Festival, etc. So that would be the prefered screen reader for Linux. The only people who use Speakup are those who A, want to do a lot of work in the console environment, or B, are geeks who don't like using graphical user interfaces. I've rarely found a need to use Speakup since Orca came out, but I do use it when I'm doing a lot of programming and using commandline programs like gcc, nano, etc but otherwise I'd have no use for Speakup at all. As far as dedicated speech hardware that went out with the dinosaures.I'm not sure who told you that, but they are not exactly up with the times. Orca as well as Speakup and even YASAR have support for software synth solutions. There really is no need for a hardware speech solution like a Speakout, Dectalk, Double Talk, Keynote, whatever. Cheers! On 11/2/10, neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com wrote: Hi Hayden, Actually, I was more interested in a preferred screen reader; also possibly wondering if I'm going to run into trouble by not having dedicated speech synth hardware. From what I've read, having both is important. So far I've been recommended Speakup, but haven't yet got the chance to check it out. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Neophyte, Yes, I still own and run USA Games. Our website is http://www.usagamesinteractive.com and right now we are working on our new cross-platform initiative. Since I am primarily a Linux user myself I've began the process of producing games for Linux while maintaining support for Windows. Eventually, I will be porting the Linux versions of our games to Mac OS as well. So, yes, we are most definitely still around. As far as rigging up a Linux system with accessibility I definitely can help out with that. My personal recommendation is to use Ubuntu 10.10 since it comes with Orca, and Ubuntu is both widely known and very accessible out of the box. Alternatively there is a version of Ubuntu, called Vinux, that someone made that takes a standard Ubuntu base and adds some accessibility improvements such as Speakup, has Orca configured from the start, and has added and removed some packages for improved accessibility. Vinux is alright, not a problem, but I tend to use Ubuntu 10.10 instead of Vinux for the fact it is more mainstream.So I'd start with either one of those options. In terms of playing text adventures, roll playing games, the strange names of races, aliens, etc usually aren't a problem. most screen readers have an exception dictionary that allows you to change how the screen reader speaks this or that word. For example, the name Cerberus is supposed to be spoken with a hard c, but Orca speaks it with a soft c. I can open up Orca's exception dictionary and do something like this. Cerberus = ker-ber-us That would instantly create an exception so that everytime Orca sees the name Cerberus it would speak it with a hard c sound instead of a soft c sound. You can do this with just about any word, name, etc and that's how we get by with oddball names that the screen reader wouldn't necessarily speak correctly. Cheers! On 11/2/10, neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com wrote: Hey there, Dark, Ben and Thomas, Thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I haven't tried to many audio only games. I'm still trying to get my head around the different types of screen readers and how they work. I understand that the software and hardware are separate beasts, each with their own little ideosyncrasies, but I'm looking to set up a little e e PC laptop, which runs Linux, as a portable accessibility machine. If you have any recommendations for rigging that up, I'd love to hear them. My real interest has been interactive fiction, although the idea behind the Eamon games and text-only role playing games interests me, too. Fallthru sounds good and I hope to check that out soon, but I am wondering, wouldn't all the strange names for the races and creatures wreak havoc with your screen reader? Thanks again for the welcome! Finally, this question to Tom: you used to run USA games, is that right? Do you still have a company set up? Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Actually niophyte, hardware screen readers went out in the early 90's because they were tremendously clunky to use. these days, screen reading is provided by a number of software programs. windows users have a choice of various programs, such as Hal, jaws system access and window eyes, while Aple have built their own screen reader, voice over, as part of mac os. there is also the program orca for Lynux, but I'm un certain as to the workings of that one. As regards games specifically, many windows programs also make use of the in built windows speech system sapi. This is not a screen reader, but provides a synth voice which developers can use in windows based software, and many audio games (including the self-voicing version of the Winfrotz interpreter), make use of this method. I hope this makes things somewhat clearer. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Hayden, Actually, I was more interested in a preferred screen reader; also possibly wondering if I'm going to run into trouble by not having dedicated speech synth hardware. From what I've read, having both is important. So far I've been recommended Speakup, but haven't yet got the chance to check it out. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi there, I'm not sure the right way to address lots of people in one email reply, so I'll just break it down into chunks and preface each chunk with the person's name. I hope that's okay. Please let me know if there's a better way! Smiles. To Sky. Thanks for the warm welcome. That's awesome to hear about your plans to become a recording engineer. I have a friend who works in radio and it's a pretty rad skill to have. Sadly, I have next to no talent at all with musical instruments. In fact, my grade 7 teacher pretty much begged me not to continue. What style of music do you like to play on the piano? Have you done any work with music for audio games? To Alfredo. Thanks for the link. I'm hoping to check everything out, but I must admit to being a little overwhelmed right now. To Jacob. Thanks, too, for the tip off. Along with Tom's explanation, I'll get started on setting up my laptop and hopefully have it done by the end of the week. To Tom. Thanks on a number of fronts. I was getting an old url for your company, and it wasn't redirecting, so I couldn't tell if you'd moved the company to another domain, or were working on another project. I'll definitely check out your demos when I get my laptop and desktop set up. What do you write your games in? Is it C++? Do you write creatively as well, or just prefer coding? Thanks for the lesson on Linux set-ups and how screen readers deal with strange text. You're very good at explaining things in a clear, effortless manner. Oh, and yes, I think the person who recommended speakup did so under the guise of it being used mostly when he was playing interactive fiction. Okay, hopefully I remembered everyone. Thanks again for your help. Smiles. Cheers, Neophyte. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Neophyte, Welcome to the list. I have been creating computer games since 1980. Blind accessible computer games since 1990. Guess they are not the type of games that you are into though. My games are sound based and use the free Microsoft sapi5 text to speech engine for speech. Here is the list of the games that I have on my web site, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker BFN Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Guess I'm a dinosaur as I would not be without my Triple Talk USB hardware synthesizer on my game development computer. Not for human speech quality, but in other ways it is so much better than Eloquence. BFN Jim BBS: a method to triple your phone bill. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Grin. I guess that does make you a dinosaur. Lol! Seriously though I often miss my Dectalk Express, and am a bit dismayed screen readers are so absolutely focused on software synths myself. There are certainly advantages to using a hardware synth Such as sound editing, sound recording, etc alone where you don't want Eloquence and so on being recorded in the background. Once upon a time before Speakup started using software synths like Espeak you could boot Linux and have all the startup prompts and shutdown prompts read for you. With a software synth the OS has to be fully loaded before you can get speech output. Kind of a step backwards in my opinion. On 11/3/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Guess I'm a dinosaur as I would not be without my Triple Talk USB hardware synthesizer on my game development computer. Not for human speech quality, but in other ways it is so much better than Eloquence. BFN Jim BBS: a method to triple your phone bill. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Neophite, Initially I wrote my first game STFC in C# .NET, but I have since switch to C++. Do to some driver compatibility issues we have decided to adopt two different API standards for our games. On the Windows side we will be developing our games in C++ with direct support for MS Sapi 5, DirectInput, and other Windows specific APIs. On the Linux side we are going to use Speech-Dispatcher for speech support and SFML for input, audio, and networking support. That's actually what we are doing now for Mysteries of the Ancients beta 16. As far as playing interactive fiction on Linux I agree that Speakup works better for that. The Linux frotz interpreter is a console application, and sometimes Orca doesn't handle it too will in a terminal window. Using Speakup with frotz is a pretty good combo accesssibility wise. Also there is an open source Adrift Runner for Linux called Scare, and for the most part it works well with Speakup. As with frotz Orca doesn't handle the screens too well, but Speakup seams to do pretty well with them. For that reason alone Vinux is handy because they have Speakup already compiled and configured out of the box where with Ubuntu you have to do a bit of compiling and configuring to get Speakup working. As far as doing a bit of creative writing I use to do a lot of it back when i was in high school and college. I have the nack for it, but somehow coding seams to take up most of my creative time/talent. I keep telling myself that eventually I am going to get back into creative writing and lay off game coding for a while. Although, I have a project in the works that might let me do both. I'm working on a text based RPG in the spirit of ADOM or Nethack for Windows and Linux. As it is an RPG system it will take quite a lot of both coding and creative writing to pull off. One of the reasons I'm writing it is that for a while I was heavily into playing an RPG game called Sryth. Unfortunately, over the past couple of years Sryth has become less of a story based RPG and has a lot of quests that are little more than grinding. I understand the need to improve stats, wepons, etc but when you have to do mindless grinding, playing the same adventure over and over to get a special item, it gets old real quick. Therefore I figured I could write my own and do better. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hope you have a good time on this list. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hey there, Dark, Ben and Thomas, Thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I haven't tried to many audio only games. I'm still trying to get my head around the different types of screen readers and how they work. I understand that the software and hardware are separate beasts, each with their own little ideosyncrasies, but I'm looking to set up a little e e PC laptop, which runs Linux, as a portable accessibility machine. If you have any recommendations for rigging that up, I'd love to hear them. My real interest has been interactive fiction, although the idea behind the Eamon games and text-only role playing games interests me, too. Fallthru sounds good and I hope to check that out soon, but I am wondering, wouldn't all the strange names for the races and creatures wreak havoc with your screen reader? Thanks again for the welcome! Finally, this question to Tom: you used to run USA games, is that right? Do you still have a company set up? Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hmmm since we are talking linux. I have a couple choices. 1. I can get grml that has command line systems how easy is it to get gnome for that with all the stuff I need. you can email me off list if you want. the other is to use vinux or ubuntu, but then I need to get speakup unless you can just load it. Or I can get something like fedora core 13 with speakup which I think has both systems compiled but is quite a large download, though space is not a major issue. I am not sure what has the swspeak functionality or not though. At 04:12 a.m. 4/11/2010, you wrote: Hi Neophite, Initially I wrote my first game STFC in C# .NET, but I have since switch to C++. Do to some driver compatibility issues we have decided to adopt two different API standards for our games. On the Windows side we will be developing our games in C++ with direct support for MS Sapi 5, DirectInput, and other Windows specific APIs. On the Linux side we are going to use Speech-Dispatcher for speech support and SFML for input, audio, and networking support. That's actually what we are doing now for Mysteries of the Ancients beta 16. As far as playing interactive fiction on Linux I agree that Speakup works better for that. The Linux frotz interpreter is a console application, and sometimes Orca doesn't handle it too will in a terminal window. Using Speakup with frotz is a pretty good combo accesssibility wise. Also there is an open source Adrift Runner for Linux called Scare, and for the most part it works well with Speakup. As with frotz Orca doesn't handle the screens too well, but Speakup seams to do pretty well with them. For that reason alone Vinux is handy because they have Speakup already compiled and configured out of the box where with Ubuntu you have to do a bit of compiling and configuring to get Speakup working. As far as doing a bit of creative writing I use to do a lot of it back when i was in high school and college. I have the nack for it, but somehow coding seams to take up most of my creative time/talent. I keep telling myself that eventually I am going to get back into creative writing and lay off game coding for a while. Although, I have a project in the works that might let me do both. I'm working on a text based RPG in the spirit of ADOM or Nethack for Windows and Linux. As it is an RPG system it will take quite a lot of both coding and creative writing to pull off. One of the reasons I'm writing it is that for a while I was heavily into playing an RPG game called Sryth. Unfortunately, over the past couple of years Sryth has become less of a story based RPG and has a lot of quests that are little more than grinding. I understand the need to improve stats, wepons, etc but when you have to do mindless grinding, playing the same adventure over and over to get a special item, it gets old real quick. Therefore I figured I could write my own and do better. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I'd like some old synth myself for gaming I just don't have space anymore or the old systems. maybe if I get grml or something maybe fedora core who knows. At 10:46 p.m. 3/11/2010, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Guess I'm a dinosaur as I would not be without my Triple Talk USB hardware synthesizer on my game development computer. Not for human speech quality, but in other ways it is so much better than Eloquence. BFN Jim BBS: a method to triple your phone bill. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Actually, you forgot me, but doesn't matter, I am perfectly fign with that. It was your first time, and you should have a happy time on this list. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi there, I'm not sure the right way to address lots of people in one email reply, so I'll just break it down into chunks and preface each chunk with the person's name. I hope that's okay. Please let me know if there's a better way! Smiles. To Sky. Thanks for the warm welcome. That's awesome to hear about your plans to become a recording engineer. I have a friend who works in radio and it's a pretty rad skill to have. Sadly, I have next to no talent at all with musical instruments. In fact, my grade 7 teacher pretty much begged me not to continue. What style of music do you like to play on the piano? Have you done any work with music for audio games? To Alfredo. Thanks for the link. I'm hoping to check everything out, but I must admit to being a little overwhelmed right now. To Jacob. Thanks, too, for the tip off. Along with Tom's explanation, I'll get started on setting up my laptop and hopefully have it done by the end of the week. To Tom. Thanks on a number of fronts. I was getting an old url for your company, and it wasn't redirecting, so I couldn't tell if you'd moved the company to another domain, or were working on another project. I'll definitely check out your demos when I get my laptop and desktop set up. What do you write your games in? Is it C++? Do you write creatively as well, or just prefer coding? Thanks for the lesson on Linux set-ups and how screen readers deal with strange text. You're very good at explaining things in a clear, effortless manner. Oh, and yes, I think the person who recommended speakup did so under the guise of it being used mostly when he was playing interactive fiction. Okay, hopefully I remembered everyone. Thanks again for your help. Smiles. Cheers, Neophyte. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hey Muhammed, Sorry. Sad face. I've shot a subscription email off to your list. Thanks for the welcome and the invitation. Cheers, Neophyte. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Shaun, If you want a Linux distribution with Speakup, SWSpeak, Orca, and basically all the accessibility bells and wistles included I'd pick Vinux hands down. As I said before it is basicly a clone of Ubuntu 10, but has some extras like SWSpeak, Speakup, and a few other accesssibility things thrown in for good measure. As far as GRML I don't know much about it. I'm the wrong person to ask. I mainly only use Debian based distributions which includes Debian, Ubuntu, Vinux, and a couple of others that share the Debian base OS. On 11/3/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm since we are talking linux. I have a couple choices. 1. I can get grml that has command line systems how easy is it to get gnome for that with all the stuff I need. you can email me off list if you want. the other is to use vinux or ubuntu, but then I need to get speakup unless you can just load it. Or I can get something like fedora core 13 with speakup which I think has both systems compiled but is quite a large download, though space is not a major issue. I am not sure what has the swspeak functionality or not though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I'm sure you can. (no sarcasm attatched to that comment) Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Neophite, Initially I wrote my first game STFC in C# .NET, but I have since switch to C++. Do to some driver compatibility issues we have decided to adopt two different API standards for our games. On the Windows side we will be developing our games in C++ with direct support for MS Sapi 5, DirectInput, and other Windows specific APIs. On the Linux side we are going to use Speech-Dispatcher for speech support and SFML for input, audio, and networking support. That's actually what we are doing now for Mysteries of the Ancients beta 16. As far as playing interactive fiction on Linux I agree that Speakup works better for that. The Linux frotz interpreter is a console application, and sometimes Orca doesn't handle it too will in a terminal window. Using Speakup with frotz is a pretty good combo accesssibility wise. Also there is an open source Adrift Runner for Linux called Scare, and for the most part it works well with Speakup. As with frotz Orca doesn't handle the screens too well, but Speakup seams to do pretty well with them. For that reason alone Vinux is handy because they have Speakup already compiled and configured out of the box where with Ubuntu you have to do a bit of compiling and configuring to get Speakup working. As far as doing a bit of creative writing I use to do a lot of it back when i was in high school and college. I have the nack for it, but somehow coding seams to take up most of my creative time/talent. I keep telling myself that eventually I am going to get back into creative writing and lay off game coding for a while. Although, I have a project in the works that might let me do both. I'm working on a text based RPG in the spirit of ADOM or Nethack for Windows and Linux. As it is an RPG system it will take quite a lot of both coding and creative writing to pull off. One of the reasons I'm writing it is that for a while I was heavily into playing an RPG game called Sryth. Unfortunately, over the past couple of years Sryth has become less of a story based RPG and has a lot of quests that are little more than grinding. I understand the need to improve stats, wepons, etc but when you have to do mindless grinding, playing the same adventure over and over to get a special item, it gets old real quick. Therefore I figured I could write my own and do better. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Thomas, Why did Screen Readers start relying so heavily on Software Synths? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:45 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Jim, Grin. I guess that does make you a dinosaur. Lol! Seriously though I often miss my Dectalk Express, and am a bit dismayed screen readers are so absolutely focused on software synths myself. There are certainly advantages to using a hardware synth Such as sound editing, sound recording, etc alone where you don't want Eloquence and so on being recorded in the background. Once upon a time before Speakup started using software synths like Espeak you could boot Linux and have all the startup prompts and shutdown prompts read for you. With a software synth the OS has to be fully loaded before you can get speech output. Kind of a step backwards in my opinion. On 11/3/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Guess I'm a dinosaur as I would not be without my Triple Talk USB hardware synthesizer on my game development computer. Not for human speech quality, but in other ways it is so much better than Eloquence. BFN Jim BBS: a method to triple your phone bill. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi, Grml is debian based, so to install gnome you give the command apt-get install gnome However last time I had it on my system I still had to do some configuring after just installing gnome -- to get the system to actually use gnome as a desktop environment. Grml is a great distribution as a live CD, but I personally won't recommend it as an every day distro. Although you can install the live system to your harddisk, it is optimized with the idea of being a live CD and when you later do a system upgrade, you will find that some components don't really play well together anymore. I would recommend you rather go with vinux or ubuntu. Take care, Rynhardt * shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com [101103 19:42]: hmmm since we are talking linux. I have a couple choices. 1. I can get grml that has command line systems how easy is it to get gnome for that with all the stuff I need. you can email me off list if you want. the other is to use vinux or ubuntu, but then I need to get speakup unless you can just load it. Or I can get something like fedora core 13 with speakup which I think has both systems compiled but is quite a large download, though space is not a major issue. I am not sure what has the swspeak functionality or not though. At 04:12 a.m. 4/11/2010, you wrote: Hi Neophite, Initially I wrote my first game STFC in C# .NET, but I have since switch to C++. Do to some driver compatibility issues we have decided to adopt two different API standards for our games. On the Windows side we will be developing our games in C++ with direct support for MS Sapi 5, DirectInput, and other Windows specific APIs. On the Linux side we are going to use Speech-Dispatcher for speech support and SFML for input, audio, and networking support. That's actually what we are doing now for Mysteries of the Ancients beta 16. As far as playing interactive fiction on Linux I agree that Speakup works better for that. The Linux frotz interpreter is a console application, and sometimes Orca doesn't handle it too will in a terminal window. Using Speakup with frotz is a pretty good combo accesssibility wise. Also there is an open source Adrift Runner for Linux called Scare, and for the most part it works well with Speakup. As with frotz Orca doesn't handle the screens too well, but Speakup seams to do pretty well with them. For that reason alone Vinux is handy because they have Speakup already compiled and configured out of the box where with Ubuntu you have to do a bit of compiling and configuring to get Speakup working. As far as doing a bit of creative writing I use to do a lot of it back when i was in high school and college. I have the nack for it, but somehow coding seams to take up most of my creative time/talent. I keep telling myself that eventually I am going to get back into creative writing and lay off game coding for a while. Although, I have a project in the works that might let me do both. I'm working on a text based RPG in the spirit of ADOM or Nethack for Windows and Linux. As it is an RPG system it will take quite a lot of both coding and creative writing to pull off. One of the reasons I'm writing it is that for a while I was heavily into playing an RPG game called Sryth. Unfortunately, over the past couple of years Sryth has become less of a story based RPG and has a lot of quests that are little more than grinding. I understand the need to improve stats, wepons, etc but when you have to do mindless grinding, playing the same adventure over and over to get a special item, it gets old real quick. Therefore I figured I could write my own and do better. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
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Probably haiden because hardware synths were A, expensive and B, inefficient. I once used decktalk with a short lived screen reading program called win vision, however the decktalk box was forever having problems, and after about four months of use the connection betwene box and computer broke completely and I ended up switching back to hal, which i actually found out was quite capable of doing the things such as continuous document read, which I'd so much liked in win vision, but without the inconvenience of the box. I will say the one advantage was that being hardware, the synth was one of the most responsive I've seen, though these days given a computer with decent enough ram and a responsive synth like orphius I can stil get a similar speed to the one I had with decktalk. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey Jim, That's an impressive list of games. But, yes, for now my interest lies more in the text-based gaming side of things. Despite doing computer science way back in the day, I'm far from any kind of programmer. I had a quick read of your site. There's quite a varied list of games there. Great stuff! Cheers, Neophyte. Hi Neophyte, Welcome to the list. I have been creating computer games since 1980. Blind accessible computer games since 1990. Guess they are not the type of games that you are into though. My games are sound based and use the free Microsoft sapi5 text to speech engine for speech. Here is the list of the games that I have on my web site, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker BFN Jim --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
grml is also debian but now I know vinux has everything thats what I will end up getting. I am not a source hacker. I will however shortly have an old basically conked out box that has real issues with its heating. I am going to dedicate that to linux. I still like windows as my main os but linux is probably something I will use for my old games and mota and other things to. when you sell your games with multiplatform capability will my registration work for both products, or oses? At 12:02 p.m. 4/11/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, If you want a Linux distribution with Speakup, SWSpeak, Orca, and basically all the accessibility bells and wistles included I'd pick Vinux hands down. As I said before it is basicly a clone of Ubuntu 10, but has some extras like SWSpeak, Speakup, and a few other accesssibility things thrown in for good measure. As far as GRML I don't know much about it. I'm the wrong person to ask. I mainly only use Debian based distributions which includes Debian, Ubuntu, Vinux, and a couple of others that share the Debian base OS. On 11/3/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm since we are talking linux. I have a couple choices. 1. I can get grml that has command line systems how easy is it to get gnome for that with all the stuff I need. you can email me off list if you want. the other is to use vinux or ubuntu, but then I need to get speakup unless you can just load it. Or I can get something like fedora core 13 with speakup which I think has both systems compiled but is quite a large download, though space is not a major issue. I am not sure what has the swspeak functionality or not though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello and welcome. It's always great to have someone showing an interest in accessible games, especially someone working in the industry itself. out of interest, which audio games have you tried particularly? For more information on games and access, you can go to www.audiogames.net or www.pcsgames.net which both have very extensive lists of accessible games of various forms. Myself, i've played many if games at various points, sinse I'm very much a fan of exploration and plot in games, though i will freely confess the riddle style puzles in many if titles tend to stump me. i have however been a fan of textual rpg games for quite a while, in fact if you can suggest any recently created games in this line I'd deffinately appreciate it. I have played several Eamon games sinse Eamon delux is workable with a screen reader given a litle configuring, (though i wish the creator would extend the program to cover more games and remove some of the bugs), and also have most recently been playing the game fallthru. I think the last actual Interactive fiction game I played was a demo of one of malinch's commercial interactive titles. Beware the Grue! (yes, this is my sig). Dark. - Original Message - From: neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi there, I've just joined up and thought it would be seemly if I said hello. I'm Neophyte and I blog at a site called In The Company of Grues. I'm sighted but a couple of my blind interactive fiction peers have been helping me gain a more complex understanding of accessibility gaming, something I've been a quiet advocate of for a number of years in my work within the games industry. More recently, I started work on a couple of projects and was inspired to join Audyssey. I'm currently playing a few games from the 2010 IF competition and I'm reading a great book called Wake, by science fiction author Robert Sawyer. The book was recommended to me by a blind friend who used to play Eamon games and interactive fiction. Well, hopefully this all works. This is the first time I've used an email discussion list. Chat soon. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Neophyte, Welcome to the list. In addition to being one of the list moderators I am also a software developer. I've got my own accessible game company where I am actively developing a couple of new titles that will revolutionize accessible gaming once I get the engine stable. So here is a friendly shake from one gamer to another. Smile. On 11/2/10, neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com wrote: Hi there, I've just joined up and thought it would be seemly if I said hello. I'm Neophyte and I blog at a site called In The Company of Grues. I'm sighted but a couple of my blind interactive fiction peers have been helping me gain a more complex understanding of accessibility gaming, something I've been a quiet advocate of for a number of years in my work within the games industry. More recently, I started work on a couple of projects and was inspired to join Audyssey. I'm currently playing a few games from the 2010 IF competition and I'm reading a great book called Wake, by science fiction author Robert Sawyer. The book was recommended to me by a blind friend who used to play Eamon games and interactive fiction. Well, hopefully this all works. This is the first time I've used an email discussion list. Chat soon. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Greetings fellow gamer! I've been playing games in general for a long time around 8 years or so. I've worked on a few projects either testing making music or both. If you wish to ask me questions you may do so off list. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey there, Dark, Ben and Thomas, Thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I haven't tried to many audio only games. I'm still trying to get my head around the different types of screen readers and how they work. I understand that the software and hardware are separate beasts, each with their own little ideosyncrasies, but I'm looking to set up a little e e PC laptop, which runs Linux, as a portable accessibility machine. If you have any recommendations for rigging that up, I'd love to hear them. My real interest has been interactive fiction, although the idea behind the Eamon games and text-only role playing games interests me, too. Fallthru sounds good and I hope to check that out soon, but I am wondering, wouldn't all the strange names for the races and creatures wreak havoc with your screen reader? Thanks again for the welcome! Finally, this question to Tom: you used to run USA games, is that right? Do you still have a company set up? Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Neophyie, Are you trying to ask what games are out there for Linux? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:12 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hey there, Dark, Ben and Thomas, Thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I haven't tried to many audio only games. I'm still trying to get my head around the different types of screen readers and how they work. I understand that the software and hardware are separate beasts, each with their own little ideosyncrasies, but I'm looking to set up a little e e PC laptop, which runs Linux, as a portable accessibility machine. If you have any recommendations for rigging that up, I'd love to hear them. My real interest has been interactive fiction, although the idea behind the Eamon games and text-only role playing games interests me, too. Fallthru sounds good and I hope to check that out soon, but I am wondering, wouldn't all the strange names for the races and creatures wreak havoc with your screen reader? Thanks again for the welcome! Finally, this question to Tom: you used to run USA games, is that right? Do you still have a company set up? Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hello Neophyte and welcome to the list. I am an audio gamer myself and I have been playing audio games for a while now. I am also a musician I play piano and I am also becoming a recording engineer as well _ From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:11 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi there, I've just joined up and thought it would be seemly if I said hello. I'm Neophyte and I blog at a site called In The Company of Grues. I'm sighted but a couple of my blind interactive fiction peers have been helping me gain a more complex understanding of accessibility gaming, something I've been a quiet advocate of for a number of years in my work within the games industry. More recently, I started work on a couple of projects and was inspired to join Audyssey. I'm currently playing a few games from the 2010 IF competition and I'm reading a great book called Wake, by science fiction author Robert Sawyer. The book was recommended to me by a blind friend who used to play Eamon games and interactive fiction. Well, hopefully this all works. This is the first time I've used an email discussion list. Chat soon. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3233 - Release Date: 11/02/10 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Welcome to our mailing list. May I suggest you check out: http://www.audiogames.net. They have several information about the audio games you are seeking for. Plus they have forums you can subscribe to. Anyways, we are glad you are here. Smiles. -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:39 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hello Neophyte and welcome to the list. I am an audio gamer myself and I have been playing audio games for a while now. I am also a musician I play piano and I am also becoming a recording engineer as well _ From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:11 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi there, I've just joined up and thought it would be seemly if I said hello. I'm Neophyte and I blog at a site called In The Company of Grues. I'm sighted but a couple of my blind interactive fiction peers have been helping me gain a more complex understanding of accessibility gaming, something I've been a quiet advocate of for a number of years in my work within the games industry. More recently, I started work on a couple of projects and was inspired to join Audyssey. I'm currently playing a few games from the 2010 IF competition and I'm reading a great book called Wake, by science fiction author Robert Sawyer. The book was recommended to me by a blind friend who used to play Eamon games and interactive fiction. Well, hopefully this all works. This is the first time I've used an email discussion list. Chat soon. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3233 - Release Date: 11/02/10 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
Hi Hayden, Actually, I was more interested in a preferred screen reader; also possibly wondering if I'm going to run into trouble by not having dedicated speech synth hardware. From what I've read, having both is important. So far I've been recommended Speakup, but haven't yet got the chance to check it out. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello
For linux specific, check out: http://www.vinux.org.uk/ Basically a preconfigured implementation of Ubuntu, with Orca screenreader running - there might be better options out there, but anyway... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: neoph...@inthecompanyofgrues.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New here; saying hello Hi Hayden, Actually, I was more interested in a preferred screen reader; also possibly wondering if I'm going to run into trouble by not having dedicated speech synth hardware. From what I've read, having both is important. So far I've been recommended Speakup, but haven't yet got the chance to check it out. Cheers, Neophyte --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5586 (20101102) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5586 (20101102) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
