Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Damien,
Ah...I've had that happen in the past. I haven't quite figured out why my
outlook insists on sending duplicates.

Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Damien C. Pendleton
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Hi Hayden,
Do you realise that you have replied to this message five times?
Just thought you ought to know.
Regards,
Damien.



- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi Brian,
 My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to 
 this
 morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of darren harris
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
 first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I 
 the

 one calling him a hypocrite.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a 
 fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they 
 have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken 
 on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have 
 expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on 
 moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't

Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Damien,
Ah...I've had that happen in the past. I haven't quite figured out why my
outlook insists on sending duplicates.

Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Damien C. Pendleton
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Hi Hayden,
Do you realise that you have replied to this message five times?
Just thought you ought to know.
Regards,
Damien.



- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi Brian,
 My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to 
 this
 morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden


 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of darren harris
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
 first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I 
 the

 one calling him a hypocrite.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a 
 fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they 
 have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken 
 on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have 
 expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on 
 moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't

Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Bryan Peterson
Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the 
one calling him a hypocrite.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed




Hi,
IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
put
into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
have

the gaul to say that kind of thing.

Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
and

programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
his


mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed



Well said.

Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
for



a
graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
should
have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
or

banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
emailed
me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
me
to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
was
right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
is

now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
can
justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
no
let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
damage

really.

Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
time
before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
mentioned

James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread darren harris
No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to this
morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to this
morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to this
morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to this
morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to this
morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I the

one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed


 Hi,
 IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a fix.
 I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they have
 lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
 sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has 
 put
 into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even 
 have
 the gaul to say that kind of thing.

 Best Regards,
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed

 I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken on
 projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
 harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods 
 and
 programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
 did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made 
 his

 mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
 gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
 what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
 We are the Knights who say...Ni!
 - Original Message - 
 From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
 programming speed


 Well said.

 Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request 
 for

 a
 graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
 should
 have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation 
 or
 banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
 double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
 emailed
 me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have expected
 me
 to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on moderated
 but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
 was
 right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
 apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

 Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference 
 is
 now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
 can
 justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say 
 no
 let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own 
 damage
 really.

 Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of 
 time
 before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he 
 mentioned
 James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
 real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Damien C. Pendleton

Hi Hayden,
Do you realise that you have replied to this message five times?
Just thought you ought to know.
Regards,
Damien.



- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible 
programming speed




Hi Brian,
My apologies. I was not paying attention to which message I replied to 
this

morning. That was directed at Darren, not you.

Best Regards,
Hayden


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:44 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

No, I called Thomas a hypocrite and I stick by those same reasons when I
first said it back in the graphic novalnovel flaming

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

Whoa whoa, I was and still am one of those who support Thomas. Nor was I 
the


one calling him a hypocrite.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed



Hi,
IT's funny. If we all took that same viewpoit, we would be in quite a 
fix.
I'm sure judges have sentenced people for forgery, yet I am sure they 
have

lied. So, based on your way of thinking, these people had no right to
sentence people for this kind of offense. After all the work the guy has
put
into his games, after all the attacks he has had, I am shocked you even
have
the gaul to say that kind of thing.

Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:59 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed

I can't honestly say I wouldn't have reacted the same way. If I'd taken 
on

projects someone else had abandoned only to have people constantly
harrassing me about when the games were coming out or about the methods
and
programming language I used I'd probably have snapped long before Thomas
did. THat said I still have a lot of respect for the guy. Yeah he's made
his

mistakes in the past but like I said, if it'd been me I'd have probably
gotten myself banned from the list simply because of my frustration with
what I must say is a rather ungreatful community.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
- Original Message - 
From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com

To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy'sincredible
programming speed



Well said.

Remember the whole piracy issue? When Thomas decided to post a request
for



a
graphic novel on the list and then pleaded it was a mistake? Well he
should
have gone then really because he was quite happy to threaten moderation
or
banning on people for posting pirated content. So he proved then he had
double standards. When I proved this publically on list he privately
emailed
me and said apologise or I'll put you on moderated. He must have 
expected

me
to beg forgiveness. Which I didn't. suffice to say I got put on 
moderated

but that never bothered me because after all said and done, I new that I
was
right and he was wrong and I wasn't about to devalue what I said for
apologising for something that I saw no need for apologising for.

Today we've seen yet another example of his true colours the difference
is
now he's stepped way over the line far more than any owner of this list
can
justify. He has to go now pure and simple. Even if the owner was to say
no
let him stay well who's going to respect him now? he's done his own
damage
really.

Personally I'm not sorry to see him go. I new it was only a matter of
time
before something else happened and it has. oh well never mind he
mentioned
James north as well, well I didn't like him either so either way it's no
real big loss.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming elitists was:Re: Jeremy'sincredible programming speed

2011-07-20 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
Hayden, Please! reply with Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.  That would seriously make 
my night.  :D

I'm guessing it was just an email glitch that duplicated his message.


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