Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[john]

A gamer account, which is applicable to all of Aprone's titles, costs $2 
monthly.
You must purchase a year up front.
If you don't play for a month, it doesn't count against you (i.e: you play this 
month, then don't do anything for March, you'll 
still have 11 months left).
All of the information is on Aprone's website.

Also, I do want to note that I've personally never played swamp without my 
trackpad. Every attempt I've made with an actual mouse 
leaves me feeling uncoordinated and confused.

Best,
John

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From: "Allison Passino" <apocalypseof...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:37
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Is that how much it costs? Not too bad at all. For some reason, I was
thinking it'd be something like $10. But eh, it don't matter. Is it
like a monthly membership thingie, where you pay $15 every month, or
is it just a one-time only payment kinda deal? Just curious.

On 2/4/17, michaelmasl...@gmail.com <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is probably very cheap, maybe $15
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2017 at 10:56,  > (mailto:apocalypseof...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  How much does an account cost? I wanna play Swamp, and I will get me a
>> USB mouse. I have a laptop, which does have a track pad, but I
>> fracking hate that thing! If I'm gonna play this game, then I
>> definitely need a USB mouse.
>>
>> On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >  Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up
>> >  for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the
>> >  Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do
>> >  not know what has happened.
>> >
>> >  On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>  H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I
>> >>  can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my
>> >>  automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on
>> >>  my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's
>> >>  putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna
>> >>  purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna
>> >>  happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow!
>> >>
>> >>  On 2/2/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote:
>> >>>  Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much
>> >>> anywhere.
>> >>>  Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
>> >>>  I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard
>> >>>  setup,
>> >>>  and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting
>> >>>
>> >>>  batteries in the thing.
>> >>>
>> >>>  I'd recommend it.
>> >>>
>> >>>  All the best,
>> >>>
>> >>>  Dark.
>> >>>  - Original Message -
>> >>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>> >>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> >>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
>> >>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>  Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On 1/31/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote:
>> >>>>>  Hi Danielle.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp
>> >>>>> tries
>> >>>>>  to
>> >>>>>  introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the
>> >>>>>  controls
>> >>>>>  that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a
>> >>>>> long
>> >>>>>  while.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a
>> >>>>>  mouse,
>> >>>>>  particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around
>> >>>>> zombie
>> >>>>>  targets
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've
>> >>>

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[michaelmaslo04]

 
It is a one time fee for the year   
 
 
 
 

 
 
>  
> On Feb 4, 2017 at 11:37,   (mailto:apocalypseof...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  
>  Is that how much it costs? Not too bad at all. For some reason, I was 
> thinking it'd be something like $10. But eh, it don't matter. Is it 
> like a monthly membership thingie, where you pay $15 every month, or 
> is it just a one-time only payment kinda deal? Just curious. 
>
> On 2/4/17, michaelmasl...@gmail.com  <michaelmasl...@gmail.com>  wrote: 
> >  
> >  It is probably very cheap, maybe $15 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >>  
> >>  On Feb 4, 2017 at 10:56,   >>  (mailto:apocalypseof...@gmail.com)>  wrote: 
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  How much does an account cost? I wanna play Swamp, and I will get me a 
> >>  USB mouse. I have a laptop, which does have a track pad, but I 
> >>  fracking hate that thing! If I'm gonna play this game, then I 
> >>  definitely need a USB mouse. 
> >>  
> >>  On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote: 
> >>   >  Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up 
> >>   >  for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the 
> >>   >  Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do 
> >>   >  not know what has happened. 
> >>   >  
> >>   >  On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote: 
> >>   >>  H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I 
> >>   >>  can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my 
> >>   >>  automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on 
> >>   >>  my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's 
> >>   >>  putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna 
> >>   >>  purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna 
> >>   >>  happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow! 
> >>   >>  
> >>   >>  On 2/2/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote: 
> >>   >>>  Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much 
> >>   >>>  anywhere. 
> >>   >>>  Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go. 
> >>   >>>  I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard 
> >>   >>>  setup, 
> >>   >>>  and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered 
> >> putting 
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>  batteries in the thing. 
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>  I'd recommend it. 
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>  All the best, 
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>  Dark. 
> >>   >>>  - Original Message - 
> >>   >>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  
> >>   >>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>  
> >>   >>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM 
> >>   >>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question 
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>  
> >>   >>>>  Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one. 
> >>   >>>>  
> >>   >>>>  On 1/31/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote: 
> >>   >>>>>  Hi Danielle. 
> >>   >>>>>  
> >>   >>>>>  Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp 
> >>   >>>>>  tries 
> >>   >>>>>  to 
> >>   >>>>>  introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the 
> >>   >>>>>  controls 
> >>   >>>>>  that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a 
> >>   >>>>>  long 
> >>   >>>>>  while. 
> >>   >>>>>  
> >>   >>>>>  I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a 
> >>   >>>>>  mouse, 
> >>   >>>>>  particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around 
> >>   >>>>>  zombie 
> >>   >>>>>  targets 
> >>   >>>>>  
> >>   >>>>>  is really quite exhillorating, and a g

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dark]

Hi.

Agree on the trackpad, though Swamp is well worth it.
the account costs two dollars a month, though you have to pay one full year 
first.
Bare in mind though, your only charged for a month if you play that month, 
so if you leave swamp and then come back your account will still be okay.


The account also applies to any and all online games Aprone creates, though 
Swamp is the main thing you get, however you can also use it to play 
Castaways online or the beata of castaways 2, and it's likely Aprone will be 
making more online games in the future.


To find out more and buy the account go to:
https://p9.secure.hostingprod.com/@www.kaldobsky.com/ssl/aboutgameraccounts.php

Imho it's well worth it.

hth.

Al the best,

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Allison Passino]

Is that how much it costs? Not too bad at all. For some reason, I was
thinking it'd be something like $10. But eh, it don't matter. Is it
like a monthly membership thingie, where you pay $15 every month, or
is it just a one-time only payment kinda deal? Just curious.

On 2/4/17, michaelmasl...@gmail.com <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is probably very cheap, maybe $15
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2017 at 10:56,  > (mailto:apocalypseof...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  How much does an account cost? I wanna play Swamp, and I will get me a
>> USB mouse. I have a laptop, which does have a track pad, but I
>> fracking hate that thing! If I'm gonna play this game, then I
>> definitely need a USB mouse.
>>
>> On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >  Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up
>> >  for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the
>> >  Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do
>> >  not know what has happened.
>> >
>> >  On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>  H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I
>> >>  can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my
>> >>  automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on
>> >>  my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's
>> >>  putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna
>> >>  purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna
>> >>  happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow!
>> >>
>> >>  On 2/2/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote:
>> >>>  Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much
>> >>> anywhere.
>> >>>  Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
>> >>>  I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard
>> >>>  setup,
>> >>>  and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting
>> >>>
>> >>>  batteries in the thing.
>> >>>
>> >>>  I'd recommend it.
>> >>>
>> >>>  All the best,
>> >>>
>> >>>  Dark.
>> >>>  - Original Message -
>> >>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>> >>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> >>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
>> >>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>  Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On 1/31/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote:
>> >>>>>  Hi Danielle.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp
>> >>>>> tries
>> >>>>>  to
>> >>>>>  introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the
>> >>>>>  controls
>> >>>>>  that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a
>> >>>>> long
>> >>>>>  while.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a
>> >>>>>  mouse,
>> >>>>>  particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around
>> >>>>> zombie
>> >>>>>  targets
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've
>> >>>>> got
>> >>>>>  used
>> >>>>>  to it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  All the best,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Dark.
>> >>>>>  - Original Message -
>> >>>>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> >>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
>> >>>>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>  Oh damn you need a mouse?
>> >>>>>

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[michaelmaslo04]

 
It is probably very cheap, maybe $15   
 
 
 
 

 
 
>  
> On Feb 4, 2017 at 10:56,   (mailto:apocalypseof...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  
>  How much does an account cost? I wanna play Swamp, and I will get me a 
> USB mouse. I have a laptop, which does have a track pad, but I 
> fracking hate that thing! If I'm gonna play this game, then I 
> definitely need a USB mouse. 
>
> On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote: 
> >  Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up 
> >  for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the 
> >  Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do 
> >  not know what has happened. 
> >  
> >  On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  wrote: 
> >>  H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I 
> >>  can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my 
> >>  automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on 
> >>  my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's 
> >>  putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna 
> >>  purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna 
> >>  happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow! 
> >>  
> >>  On 2/2/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote: 
> >>>  Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much anywhere. 
> >>>  Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go. 
> >>>  I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard 
> >>>  setup, 
> >>>  and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting 
> >>>  batteries in the thing. 
> >>>  
> >>>  I'd recommend it. 
> >>>  
> >>>  All the best, 
> >>>  
> >>>  Dark. 
> >>>  - Original Message - 
> >>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  
> >>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>  
> >>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM 
> >>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question 
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>>  Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one. 
> >>>>  
> >>>>  On 1/31/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote: 
> >>>>>  Hi Danielle. 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries 
> >>>>>  to 
> >>>>>  introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the 
> >>>>>  controls 
> >>>>>  that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long 
> >>>>>  while. 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a 
> >>>>>  mouse, 
> >>>>>  particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie 
> >>>>>  targets 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got 
> >>>>>  used 
> >>>>>  to it. 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  All the best, 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  Dark. 
> >>>>>  - Original Message - 
> >>>>>  From: "Danielle Ledet"  <singingmywa...@gmail.com>  
> >>>>>  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  <gamers@audyssey.org>  
> >>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM 
> >>>>>  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>>  Oh damn you need a mouse? 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>  On 1/30/17, dark  <d...@xgam.org>  wrote: 
> >>>>>>>  It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode" 
> >>>>>>>  which 
> >>>>>>>  set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item 
> >>>>>>>  drops 
> >>>>>>>  just 
> >>>>>>>  to get used to the game. 
> >>>>>>>  Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into 
> >>>>>>>  that 
> >>>>>>>  too. 
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>  I do really enjoy s

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Allison Passino]

How much does an account cost? I wanna play Swamp, and I will get me a
USB mouse. I have a laptop, which does have a track pad, but I
fracking hate that thing! If I'm gonna play this game, then I
definitely need a USB mouse.

On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet <singingmywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up
> for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the
> Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do
> not know what has happened.
>
> On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet <singingmywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I
>> can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my
>> automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on
>> my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's
>> putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna
>> purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna
>> happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow!
>>
>> On 2/2/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>> Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much anywhere.
>>> Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
>>> I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard
>>> setup,
>>> and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting
>>> batteries in the thing.
>>>
>>> I'd recommend it.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Dark.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Danielle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries
>>>>> to
>>>>> introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the
>>>>> controls
>>>>> that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a
>>>>> mouse,
>>>>> particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie
>>>>> targets
>>>>>
>>>>> is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got
>>>>> used
>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark.
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh damn you need a mouse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item
>>>>>>> drops
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> to get used to the game.
>>>>>>> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows
>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>> machine comes first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dark.
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>&g

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Danielle Ledet]

Oh and I needed to make payment on my GDUI and NAGDU memberships up
for renewal. All I can do is hope they deposit it tomorrow when the
Elderly people normally get theirs. I got no warning of this so I do
not know what has happened.

On 2/2/17, Danielle Ledet <singingmywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I
> can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my
> automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on
> my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's
> putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna
> purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna
> happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow!
>
> On 2/2/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>> Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much anywhere.
>> Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
>> I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard setup,
>> and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting
>> batteries in the thing.
>>
>> I'd recommend it.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dark.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>
>>
>>> Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.
>>>
>>> On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Danielle.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries
>>>> to
>>>> introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the
>>>> controls
>>>> that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>> I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse,
>>>> particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie
>>>> targets
>>>>
>>>> is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got
>>>> used
>>>> to it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Dark.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh damn you need a mouse?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>>>> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> to get used to the game.
>>>>>> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> machine comes first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dark.
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
>>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version
>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund
>>>>>>> <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Danielle Ledet]

H I might. that is, if they deposit my SSI into my account! I
can't call anybody cuz my phone is off, and now that delays my
automatic payment for my things in storage. Thought I could count on
my sister to bring me by Social Security today, but of course, she's
putting herself and her girlfriend first, as expected. I was gonna
purchase A Hero's Call since it is only $15, but that's not gonna
happen either since the campaign ends tomorrow!

On 2/2/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
> Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much anywhere.
> Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
> I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard setup,
> and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting
> batteries in the thing.
>
> I'd recommend it.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>
>
>> Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.
>>
>> On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Danielle.
>>>
>>> Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries
>>> to
>>> introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the controls
>>> that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
>>> while.
>>>
>>> I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse,
>>> particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie
>>> targets
>>>
>>> is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got
>>> used
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Dark.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh damn you need a mouse?
>>>>
>>>> On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>>> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
>>>>> which
>>>>> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops
>>>>> just
>>>>> to get used to the game.
>>>>> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
>>>>> myself
>>>>> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows
>>>>> 10
>>>>> machine comes first.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark.
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version
>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>
>>>>>> someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund
>>>>>> <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
>>>>>> online. Ah well...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
>>>>>> the only way to p

Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dark]

Hmmm, well you should be able to get a usb mouse pretty much anywhere.
Just bang it into any usb port and you should be good to go.
I'll admitI had an infra redmouse as part of my infra red keyboard setup, 
and it was only when I started playing swamp that I bothered putting 
batteries in the thing.


I'd recommend it.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.

On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:

Hi Danielle.

Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries to
introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the controls
that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
while.

I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse,
particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie 
targets


is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got 
used

to it.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Oh damn you need a mouse?

On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:

It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
which
set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops
just
to get used to the game.
Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that
too.

I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
myself
now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10
machine comes first.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message -
From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version
requires

someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to
the
server.


   On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund
<brajmund2...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Hi All,
Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
online. Ah well...

Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
multiplayer without an account.

--
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi there,
Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
version, for free, please?

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

If you are using a lap top I believe you can use the track pad, I've not
tried this myself as use a mouse, but I'm sure I've heard others on this
list say they use their laptop touch pad instead of the mouse. Hope this
helps, it really is a good game and well worth playing.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
Ledet
Sent: 01 February 2017 02:53
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.

On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
> Hi Danielle.
>
> Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries to
> introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the controls
> that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
> while.
>
> I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse,
> particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie
targets
>
> is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got used
> to it.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>
>
>> Oh damn you need a mouse?
>>
>> On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
>>> which
>>> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops
>>> just
>>> to get used to the game.
>>> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that
>>> too.
>>>
>>> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
>>> myself
>>> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10
>>> machine comes first.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Dark.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version
>>>> requires
>>>>
>>>> someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to
>>>> the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund
>>>> <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
>>>> online. Ah well...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>
>>>> No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
>>>> the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
>>>> account.
>>>> You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
>>>> give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
>>>> multiplayer without an account.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
>>>> version, for free, please?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Danielle Ledet]

Ahhh well sounded fun but I don't have one.

On 1/31/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
> Hi Danielle.
>
> Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries to
> introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the controls
> that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long
> while.
>
> I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse,
> particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie targets
>
> is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got used
> to it.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>
>
>> Oh damn you need a mouse?
>>
>> On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode"
>>> which
>>> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops
>>> just
>>> to get used to the game.
>>> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that
>>> too.
>>>
>>> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again
>>> myself
>>> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10
>>> machine comes first.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Dark.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version
>>>> requires
>>>>
>>>> someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to
>>>> the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund
>>>> <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
>>>> online. Ah well...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>
>>>> No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
>>>> the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
>>>> account.
>>>> You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
>>>> give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
>>>> multiplayer without an account.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
>>>> version, for free, please?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dark]

Hi Danielle.

Yes, for swamp you need a mouse, however this is abbecause swamp tries to 
introduce into an audio first person shoorter game, some of the controls 
that have been around in mainstream first person shoorters for a long while.


I'd recommend giving it a try, since the coordination of using a mouse, 
particularly when strafing enemies or running a circle around zombie targets 
is really quite exhillorating, and a great experience once you've got used 
to it.


All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Danielle Ledet" <singingmywa...@gmail.com>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Oh damn you need a mouse?

On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode" 
which
set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops 
just

to get used to the game.
Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that 
too.


I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again myself
now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10
machine comes first.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message -
From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version 
requires


someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to the
server.


   On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Hi All,
Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
online. Ah well...

Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
multiplayer without an account.

--
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi there,
Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
version, for free, please?

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Danielle Ledet]

Oh damn you need a mouse?

On 1/30/17, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
> It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode" which
> set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops just
> to get used to the game.
> Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that too.
>
> I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again myself
> now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10
> machine comes first.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
> - Original Message -
> From: <jer...@kaldobsky.com>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>
>
>> Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version requires
>>
>> someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to the
>> server.
>>
>>
>>On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
>> online. Ah well...
>>
>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "john" <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>
>> No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
>> the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
>> account.
>> You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
>> give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
>> multiplayer without an account.
>>
>> --
>> From: "rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
>> Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question
>>
>> Hi there,
>> Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
>> version, for free, please?
>>
>> Sent from a BrailleNote
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dark]

It might actually help if there was a specific "offline tryout mode" which 
set the player on map one with an average zombie count and item drops just 
to get used to the game.

Perhaps someone could even write a couple of tutorial quests into that too.

I do really enjoy swamp and indeed need to set it up and try again myself 
now that I have a decent usb mouse, albeit setting up my new windows 10 
machine comes first.


All the best,

Dark.
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Sorry, only the offline version is free. The multiplayer version requires 
someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to the 
server.



   On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> 
wrote:



Hi All,
Thanks for that. It's a little shame we don't get a trial
online. Ah well...

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Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game,
the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer
account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can
give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
multiplayer without an account.

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Hi there,
Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[jeremy]

Sorry, only the offline version is free.  The multiplayer version requires 
someone to have a gamer account, before it allows them to connect to the server.
 

On Monday, January 30, 2017 7:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hi All,
Thanks for that.  It's a little shame we don't get a trial 
online.  Ah well...

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

No.  Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game, 
the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer 
account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can 
give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access
multiplayer without an account.

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Hi there,
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[rajmund]

Hi All,
Thanks for that.  It's a little shame we don't get a trial 
online.  Ah well...


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Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

No.  Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game, 
the only way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer 
account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can 
give you a good feel for the game, but there is no way to access

multiplayer without an account.

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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:09
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Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi there,
Is there some sort of a way to try swamp if possible, the online
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dark]

Well online with other people, no, however you can generate the map one and 
try running around and shooting zombies.
there is also a rather difficult introductory campaign which you can have a 
try of.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game, the only 
way to play the online mode is to purchase a gamer account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can give you a 
good feel for the game, but there is no way to access

multiplayer without an account.

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Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi there,
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

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No. Because of the amount of hackers and cheaters in the game, the only way to 
play the online mode is to purchase a gamer account.
You can play offline if you wish, and some of the campaigns can give you a good 
feel for the game, but there is no way to access 
multiplayer without an account.

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Hi there,
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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[Darren Harris]

Thanks john.

Do you have any idea why sometimes I can't hear the sounds of loot? Is there
a way of resetting sounds?

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Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

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Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[john]

I can't answer that question without substantially more data, and preferably 
a recording of what's going on.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 13:45
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Thanks john.

Do you have any idea why sometimes I can't hear the sounds of loot? Is there
a way of resetting sounds?

-Original Message-
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Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

 - Original Message -
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[Darren Harris]

Well I haven't been able to establish a pattern as to what is going on. I'm
using a set of plantronix wireless headphones and they have their own built
in sound card. 

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 01 December 2015 19:02
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

I can't answer that question without substantially more data, and preferably

a recording of what's going on.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 13:45
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Thanks john.

Do you have any idea why sometimes I can't hear the sounds of loot? Is there
a way of resetting sounds?

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[john]

You can determine it by using v, yes. There is also a change in flooring.

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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 15:12
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Yes but how do I know when I have found that outpost? Or any outpost? Does
the v key tell me it's an outpost or will it say nothing.

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[Darren Harris]

So I wonder what it was I found then?

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Sent: 30 November 2015 21:21
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

You can determine it by using v, yes. There is also a change in flooring.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Yes but how do I know when I have found that outpost? Or any outpost? Does
the v key tell me it's an outpost or will it say nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[john]

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of the 
fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that fort, 
turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are 
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside campaigns, 
some which do not.

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Harris" 

Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[Darren Harris]

Yes but how do I know when I have found that outpost? Or any outpost? Does
the v key tell me it's an outpost or will it say nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

 - Original Message -
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

[john]

You found the outpost. You just didn't find the entrance.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

So I wonder what it was I found then?

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Sent: 30 November 2015 21:21
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

You can determine it by using v, yes. There is also a change in flooring.

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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 15:12
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Yes but how do I know when I have found that outpost? Or any outpost? Does
the v key tell me it's an outpost or will it say nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: 30 November 2015 19:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

The first question is the easiest:
The entrance to the outpost is on its east side. The building is north of
the fort whose entryway is on Indi drive. Continue slightly north of that
fort, turn east to the border, go north and the outpost will be on your
left.
As to your second question, you'll need to be a bit more specific. There are
campaigns, but there are also custom maps; some which work alongside
campaigns, some which do not.

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:39:48 -
Subject: [Audyssey] swamp question the outpost and custom maps

Hi all,



Firstly how do I know when I have found an outpost? Obviously it's not a
beacon which I can understand as it's quite the special place. The other day
I was exploring map 1 and I found a building on the other side of the bridge
or at least I think it was a building because when I hit v to get data on
that location it said no data for my location. So how do you know where the
outpost actually is? Or I should say, how do you know when you have found
it.



In addition, I know there are some custom swamp missions around. How do I
find them? Is there a site somewhere with custom maps on and some such?

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Re: [Audyssey] swamp question-about the next update

[Richard Sherman]

HI,

Aprone said in his initial email talking about the test version to not get 
used to them since the accounts will go away after the test version. And 
since it appears that the new way of doing things doesn't look compatible 
with version 1.8, I would guess those too will be put into some kind of 
giant zombie blender and tossed out with yesterdays garbage.

So don't hold back, go for the gusto and have some fun. If you die, so what. 
Start over and have some more fun.

The key here is to try and break things so that the bugs can be found and 
squashed. Plus, as a side benefit, you get to try out things and figure them 
out so that when this goes live, you are a slight step ahead of everyone 
else since you have already made your mistakes and hopefully learned from 
them.

Shermanator
- Original Message - 
From: Johnny Tai johnnyti...@shaw.ca
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:19 AM


Not sure if it's proper to ask this...but, what's the likelyhood of all the 
characters getting wiped when the next version officially comes in? The 
reason I'm asking is that, I've been saving up alot of reps- for the rainy 
day you can say, so if we're going to be wiped, I'd like to know so I can 
really spend freely and get all my enjoyment out of living dangerously for 
once heh.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

I've only ever played main stream games on a console and find game controls
on a keyboard more difficult. I think that's why I love the mouse control in
swamp  and like the walk button on the mouse as I find it feels a lot more
like using a joystick/controller and I think that's why I've found this game
to be so accessible to me

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Behalf Of Ben
Sent: 01 February 2012 07:25
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Ahh Jeremy.  I hate to be one of the exceptions to the rule.  Since I've
never had sight myself, I have only played fps games that use the console
controllers - with the help of my dad and others.  But I personally dislike
having one mouse button for walking and one for firing - personally I'd say
reload should be right mouse button and reassign the walking to something
else...

Ben.

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky
Sent: 31 January 2012 22:34
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Actually the Tomb raider games are 3rd person perspective instead of first
person perspective.  It's a small difference but the control methods were
usually set up a little different between those styles of games.

I actually have had several people say that mainstream first person shooter
games use W as forward instead of the right mouse button.  I know people
aren't actually trying to argue, but I do find it a little funny.  Some FPS
games have shipped with W as the default over the years, but even some have
shipped with the up arrow as default.  What I'm focused most on is what
became the control scheme overwhelmingly adopted by players for each game's
online base of players.  In all of these games, the right mouse button
remained forever the king, haha.

I feel a little bad even bringing this up because I don't want anyone to
think I'm offended by those comments or trying to defend myself.  I just
felt like taking a different approach at explaining what I had originally
meant.  I'm sure that many people on the list have played mainstream FPS
games before they lost their sight and it's possible that the ones they
played all happened to use w for walking.  I took a few minutes to think
about it and I came up with 47 first person computer games I've played.  I
knew it would be a lot, but I'm surprised it was that many!

 Hi Kelvin,
 
 Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a while. I 
 tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and stopped 
 playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of playing it 
 in single player mode.
 
 The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward is that is 
 a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot of the 
 newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could name allowed 
 you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc with the 
 mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Lol, it's fine Thomas, I thought it was a fair guess.  That is true though, 
without the graphical differences 3rd person and 1st person perspective games 
are very similar.  It's been ages since I've played the Tomb raider games and I 
remember those being some of the only games that my dad really got into.  Great 
games though.

 Hi,
 
 Yeah, I know Tomb Raider is technically a third-person game,
 but
 because I can't see the screen I tend to lump it in with
 the
 first-person games because the mechanics are similar.
 Anyway, I simply
 wanted to point out I have played a number of mainstream
 games where w
 moves the character forward and s moves the character back,
 and since
 I haven't played swamp in a while I just assumed it used
 similar
 keyboard commands as other FPS and third-person games I have
 played in
 the passed. Sorry, about my mistake.  Guess I should
 refresh my memory
 before opening my mouth and inserting my foot.
 
 Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Well the good news is that the keyconfig file gives you the freedom to 
customize the controls to fit what makes you most comfortable.  If you haven't 
given it a try yet, instructions for how to modify the file are found on the 
first line of it.  If you accidentally make a mistake you can simply delete the 
file and Swamp will automatically create a new one for you next time it runs, 
so you never have to worry about messing up your game.

 Ahh Jeremy.  I hate to be one of
 the exceptions to the rule.  Since I've
 never had sight myself, I have only played fps games that
 use the console
 controllers - with the help of my dad and others.  But
 I personally dislike
 having one mouse button for walking and one for firing -
 personally I'd say
 reload should be right mouse button and reassign the walking
 to something
 else...
 
 Ben.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi I have another question, I can't seem to load my field kit, I press the ~ 
key and nothing happens, dispite the fact I have a few med kits on me, also 
how do I track the exit to the safe zone, I have building helper on, but 
just seem to be stuck in the supplies room.  Thanks from Lori.


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From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:51 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
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Lol, it's fine Thomas, I thought it was a fair guess.  That is true 
though, without the graphical differences 3rd person and 1st person 
perspective games are very similar.  It's been ages since I've played the 
Tomb raider games and I remember those being some of the only games that 
my dad really got into.  Great games though.



Hi,

Yeah, I know Tomb Raider is technically a third-person game,
but
because I can't see the screen I tend to lump it in with
the
first-person games because the mechanics are similar.
Anyway, I simply
wanted to point out I have played a number of mainstream
games where w
moves the character forward and s moves the character back,
and since
I haven't played swamp in a while I just assumed it used
similar
keyboard commands as other FPS and third-person games I have
played in
the passed. Sorry, about my mistake.  Guess I should
refresh my memory
before opening my mouth and inserting my foot.

Cheers!



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

I think once the field kit is armed like a weapon you click the left mouse
button (as if you were firing a weapon) one thing that helped me out of the
safe zone the exit is at co-ordinates  21641 (you can access coordinates by
pressing shift and v)

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: 01 February 2012 15:15
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi I have another question, I can't seem to load my field kit, I press the ~

key and nothing happens, dispite the fact I have a few med kits on me, also 
how do I track the exit to the safe zone, I have building helper on, but 
just seem to be stuck in the supplies room.  Thanks from Lori.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:51 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Lol, it's fine Thomas, I thought it was a fair guess.  That is true 
 though, without the graphical differences 3rd person and 1st person 
 perspective games are very similar.  It's been ages since I've played the 
 Tomb raider games and I remember those being some of the only games that 
 my dad really got into.  Great games though.

 Hi,

 Yeah, I know Tomb Raider is technically a third-person game,
 but
 because I can't see the screen I tend to lump it in with
 the
 first-person games because the mechanics are similar.
 Anyway, I simply
 wanted to point out I have played a number of mainstream
 games where w
 moves the character forward and s moves the character back,
 and since
 I haven't played swamp in a while I just assumed it used
 similar
 keyboard commands as other FPS and third-person games I have
 played in
 the passed. Sorry, about my mistake.  Guess I should
 refresh my memory
 before opening my mouth and inserting my foot.

 Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Ben]

Well I'll look in to that then when I get a spair minute

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Well the good news is that the keyconfig file gives you the freedom to
customize the controls to fit what makes you most comfortable.  If you
haven't given it a try yet, instructions for how to modify the file are
found on the first line of it.  If you accidentally make a mistake you can
simply delete the file and Swamp will automatically create a new one for you
next time it runs, so you never have to worry about messing up your game.

 Ahh Jeremy.  I hate to be one of
 the exceptions to the rule.  Since I've never had sight myself, I have 
 only played fps games that use the console controllers - with the help 
 of my dad and others.  But I personally dislike having one mouse 
 button for walking and one for firing - personally I'd say reload 
 should be right mouse button and reassign the walking to something 
 else...
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d for
 example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the actual
 mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and right,
 but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't know
 if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys work
 fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but the
 rest I'm still struggling with.
 Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[lenron brown]

you move when you press your right mouse button and you turn with your
touch pad s will move you back and a will side stip you to the left
and d will side stip your to the right using shift with a or d will
turn you to your nearest compus derection. Just play around with it
and you will catch on. The touch pad is not that bad.

On 1/31/12, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Lori,

 As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
 slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
 think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
 pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
 physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
 pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d
 for
 example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the
 actual
 mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and right,
 but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't
 know
 if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys work
 fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but
 the
 rest I'm still struggling with.
 Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Dallas O'Brien]

no, w is still your key for direction finding. right mouse and left 
mouse keys are still used on a touch pad.

dallas


On 1/31/2012 18:19, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Lori,

As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncanlori_dunca...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d for
example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the actual
mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and right,
but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't know
if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys work
fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but the
rest I'm still struggling with.
Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Kelvin Tan]

hi thomas. I believe u haven't played swamp before. if u have I don't think 
u will forget that to move forward it's actually the right click and not w. 
thanks u for your precious info anyway.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:19 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d 
for
example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the 
actual
mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and 
right,
but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't 
know
if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys 
work
fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but 
the

rest I'm still struggling with.
Thanks from Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi Thomas, I've just tried swamp again, and when I'm pressing my left and 
right mouse buttons nothing seems to happen, but when I move my finger over 
the pad the sounds do seem to change, and I find I'm starting to hear 
someone shouting out orders, and other sounds.  I still don't hear any 
footstep sounds, not even when I try shift d or any of the other keys.  I 
want to get the hang of this, as the sounds sound very good and the music I 
like too.  What I might do is see if I can get a usb mouse from somewhere, 
just to try it out.  Thanks from Lori.


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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

Well, let me explain this so you can understand where we are coming
from. The way the mouse works in standard Windows applications and the
way it works in games is completely different.

In standard Windows applications you need some sight to use the mouse
because the mouse is used to move a cursor around the screen to click
on buttons, menus, icons, etc. This is generally what most people
think of when you mention using a mouse. However, this doesn't apply
to games, because they use a totally different interface.

In games a mouse is no different from any other input device like a
keyboard or joystick. there is no cursor to move around and point and
click on things. Instead the game developer maps commands like walk
forward to mouse forward, walk back to mouse backward, turn left to
mouse left, turn right to mouse right, etc. This does not require any
sight at all, because when you move the mouse the audio environment is
updated to match the movement of the mouse. Make sense?

For instance, let's use Troopenum as an example. Let's say you could
use a mouse in that game. If you pulled the mouse left you would move
left in the game world, and when you pull the mouse right you would
move right in the game world. Pressing left click would fire your
laser. Essentially, the mouse would react like a joystick and not a
mouse. Therefore you don't really need sight to play the game because
the same commands that the developer could map to  a keyboard or
joystick can be mapped to the mouse too.

Cheers!


On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi I've tried the right mouse button but i don't get any sound like my 
steps, so not sure if it's working or not, though something must be as I am 
starting to hear more sounds like people shooting and some guy shouting 
orders and saying they'll keep me covered or something, just not sure how to 
reach him, and where is my friend who is supposed to be hurt?


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From: Kelvin Tan k...@weiliankelvin.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:23 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

hi thomas. I believe u haven't played swamp before. if u have I don't 
think u will forget that to move forward it's actually the right click and 
not w. thanks u for your precious info anyway.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:19 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d 
for
example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the 
actual
mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and 
right,
but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't 
know
if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys 
work
fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but 
the

rest I'm still struggling with.
Thanks from Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi Thomas, thanks for that, I think  I understand it a bit better now, I 
didn't realise the mouse could be used that way at all.  When I was at 
School for example they had games which were mouse friendly but it was click 
on certain things in the pictures to make the person actually talk or move, 
hense my hatered for the mouse in games :)



From Lori.


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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

Well, let me explain this so you can understand where we are coming
from. The way the mouse works in standard Windows applications and the
way it works in games is completely different.

In standard Windows applications you need some sight to use the mouse
because the mouse is used to move a cursor around the screen to click
on buttons, menus, icons, etc. This is generally what most people
think of when you mention using a mouse. However, this doesn't apply
to games, because they use a totally different interface.

In games a mouse is no different from any other input device like a
keyboard or joystick. there is no cursor to move around and point and
click on things. Instead the game developer maps commands like walk
forward to mouse forward, walk back to mouse backward, turn left to
mouse left, turn right to mouse right, etc. This does not require any
sight at all, because when you move the mouse the audio environment is
updated to match the movement of the mouse. Make sense?

For instance, let's use Troopenum as an example. Let's say you could
use a mouse in that game. If you pulled the mouse left you would move
left in the game world, and when you pull the mouse right you would
move right in the game world. Pressing left click would fire your
laser. Essentially, the mouse would react like a joystick and not a
mouse. Therefore you don't really need sight to play the game because
the same commands that the developer could map to  a keyboard or
joystick can be mapped to the mouse too.

Cheers!


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But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Dakotah Rickard]

Also, it's more than possible in many cases to turn off the
tap-to-click function on your touchpad.
It takes practice, and it was great to have the smaller maps for
learning, but you can do it.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 1/31/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas, thanks for that, I think  I understand it a bit better now, I
 didn't realise the mouse could be used that way at all.  When I was at
 School for example they had games which were mouse friendly but it was click
 on certain things in the pictures to make the person actually talk or move,
 hense my hatered for the mouse in games :)

 From Lori.

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 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:03 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Hi Lori,

 Well, let me explain this so you can understand where we are coming
 from. The way the mouse works in standard Windows applications and the
 way it works in games is completely different.

 In standard Windows applications you need some sight to use the mouse
 because the mouse is used to move a cursor around the screen to click
 on buttons, menus, icons, etc. This is generally what most people
 think of when you mention using a mouse. However, this doesn't apply
 to games, because they use a totally different interface.

 In games a mouse is no different from any other input device like a
 keyboard or joystick. there is no cursor to move around and point and
 click on things. Instead the game developer maps commands like walk
 forward to mouse forward, walk back to mouse backward, turn left to
 mouse left, turn right to mouse right, etc. This does not require any
 sight at all, because when you move the mouse the audio environment is
 updated to match the movement of the mouse. Make sense?

 For instance, let's use Troopenum as an example. Let's say you could
 use a mouse in that game. If you pulled the mouse left you would move
 left in the game world, and when you pull the mouse right you would
 move right in the game world. Pressing left click would fire your
 laser. Essentially, the mouse would react like a joystick and not a
 mouse. Therefore you don't really need sight to play the game because
 the same commands that the developer could map to  a keyboard or
 joystick can be mapped to the mouse too.

 Cheers!


 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Richard Sherman]

Hi Lori,

Lorie wrote,

Hi I've tried the right mouse button but i don't get any sound like my 
steps, so not sure if it's working or not.
end snip.

To exit the safe zone , walk west. If you don't hear your footsteps wwith 
the right mouse button, try walking backwards and see if you hear them. Also 
you can check your coordinates and see if you are moving.
begin snip.
, though something must be as I am starting to hear more sounds like people 
shooting
end snip.

You will be able to hear shooting from inside the ssafe zone.

begin snip.
some guy shouting orders and saying they'll keep me covered or something, 
just not sure how to reach him
end snip.

This is the guard guarding the safe zone. You don't interact with the guard. 
But if you are being chased, and get to the safe zone, the guard will shoot 
any and all incoming zombies.

begin snip.
and where is my friend who is supposed to be hurt?
end snip.

As it appears, you did read the read me file. Please note that this was 
written for an earlier version and has not been totally updated. In the 
earlier version, there was a single player mode. That is the part talking 
about a injured friend. Ignore that section.

Here are some helpful suggestions:

When you extracted the game, it should have created a folder named swamp. 
Please go into that folder and:

1. Find the change log text file, called Changelog.txt, and give that a good 
read, you will note more recent improvements and how they effect the game 
and how to control those certain actions.

2. You might want to open and look at the key config file, called 
keyconfig.ini. This gives you a detailed version of what each key does, and 
if you don't like that one, just change it there. Be sure to save the file 
upon exiting if you make any changes. If you don't like the changes, delete 
the file and when you run the game the next time, it will create the file 
again with the default keys.

3. Find the sounds folder. Go into that and listen to each wave file. This 
way you know what you are hearing.

While in the game, stand inside the safe zone. Walk around a bit, and test 
out your keys before venturing outside .

If you want to listen to a walk thru, Valiant 66 did one, and the link for 
it is

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13968355/swamp%20playthrough.mp3

HTH.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

You should hear footsteps when pressing the right mouse button unless a wall
is blocking your way, if so pressing S should make you walk backwards and
again you should hear footsteps. I don't think the injured person is part of
the game anymore I think that was from when it was a single player game and
it has been takenout since it became an online multi player.

Paul Lemm
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:51
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi I've tried the right mouse button but i don't get any sound like my 
steps, so not sure if it's working or not, though something must be as I am 
starting to hear more sounds like people shooting and some guy shouting 
orders and saying they'll keep me covered or something, just not sure how to

reach him, and where is my friend who is supposed to be hurt?

--
From: Kelvin Tan k...@weiliankelvin.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:23 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 hi thomas. I believe u haven't played swamp before. if u have I don't 
 think u will forget that to move forward it's actually the right click and

 not w. thanks u for your precious info anyway.

 --
 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:19 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Hi Lori,

 As others have said with a laptop touch pad all you have to do is
 slide your finger left or right over the pad to turn left/right, and I
 think w walks forward, and s walks backward.  Although, laptop touch
 pads are usable like a lot of others I find it a bit easier to use a
 physical USB mouse rather than a touch pad. However, a laptop touch
 pad is certainly usable with a little practice.

 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d

 for
 example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the 
 actual
 mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and 
 right,
 but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't 
 know
 if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys 
 work
 fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but 
 the
 rest I'm still struggling with.
 Thanks from Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi Richard, thanks for your help, I have managed to get the game working 
again bu downloading it again from scratch, not sure why it wouldn't work 
before, maybe I messed up something in the config file, but it seems alright 
now.  The only thing now is when I exit the game and go back into it again, 
I'm sometimes asked to extract the files again, then replace all.  It's odd 
as I extract them to the swamp folder on my desktop, so nut sure why it 
keeps wanting me to re-do it.


Anyway I'm impressed with the sounds in this game and like how you can hear 
other players shooting, also the ` key doesn't seem to work, but I'm going 
to download the new version, en case I had an older version by a mistake. 
The one I have now doesn't have a single player mode, so it can't be all 
that old.


See you around in the swamp hopefully, best wishes from Lori.

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From: Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:04 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

Lorie wrote,

Hi I've tried the right mouse button but i don't get any sound like my
steps, so not sure if it's working or not.
end snip.

To exit the safe zone , walk west. If you don't hear your footsteps wwith
the right mouse button, try walking backwards and see if you hear them. 
Also

you can check your coordinates and see if you are moving.
begin snip.
, though something must be as I am starting to hear more sounds like 
people

shooting
end snip.

You will be able to hear shooting from inside the ssafe zone.

begin snip.
some guy shouting orders and saying they'll keep me covered or something,
just not sure how to reach him
end snip.

This is the guard guarding the safe zone. You don't interact with the 
guard.
But if you are being chased, and get to the safe zone, the guard will 
shoot

any and all incoming zombies.

begin snip.
and where is my friend who is supposed to be hurt?
end snip.

As it appears, you did read the read me file. Please note that this was
written for an earlier version and has not been totally updated. In the
earlier version, there was a single player mode. That is the part talking
about a injured friend. Ignore that section.

Here are some helpful suggestions:

When you extracted the game, it should have created a folder named swamp.
Please go into that folder and:

1. Find the change log text file, called Changelog.txt, and give that a 
good

read, you will note more recent improvements and how they effect the game
and how to control those certain actions.

2. You might want to open and look at the key config file, called
keyconfig.ini. This gives you a detailed version of what each key does, 
and

if you don't like that one, just change it there. Be sure to save the file
upon exiting if you make any changes. If you don't like the changes, 
delete

the file and when you run the game the next time, it will create the file
again with the default keys.

3. Find the sounds folder. Go into that and listen to each wave file. This
way you know what you are hearing.

While in the game, stand inside the safe zone. Walk around a bit, and test
out your keys before venturing outside .

If you want to listen to a walk thru, Valiant 66 did one, and the link for
it is

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13968355/swamp%20playthrough.mp3

HTH.

shermanator


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Lori it sounds like you may be accidentally opening up the old zip file instead 
of opening up the actual swamp folder.  The game isn't able to compress itself 
so you must have both the swamp folder and the swamp.zip file next to each 
other and you sometimes open the wrong one.

 Hi Richard, thanks for your help, I
 have managed to get the game working again bu downloading it
 again from scratch, not sure why it wouldn't work before,
 maybe I messed up something in the config file, but it seems
 alright now.  The only thing now is when I exit the
 game and go back into it again, I'm sometimes asked to
 extract the files again, then replace all.  It's odd as
 I extract them to the swamp folder on my desktop, so nut
 sure why it keeps wanting me to re-do it.
 
 Anyway I'm impressed with the sounds in this game and like
 how you can hear other players shooting, also the ` key
 doesn't seem to work, but I'm going to download the new
 version, en case I had an older version by a mistake. The
 one I have now doesn't have a single player mode, so it
 can't be all that old.
 
 See you around in the swamp hopefully, best wishes from
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Thanks. I stand corrected. Its been a while since I played swamp, and
I couldn't remember if it used the left-hand navigation keys like many
mainstream FPS games do or not.

On 1/31/12, Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com wrote:
 no, w is still your key for direction finding. right mouse and left
 mouse keys are still used on a touch pad.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

Sure. I understand where you were coming from. Unfortunately, the
mouse has been given a bad reputation, because of
previous bad experiences like yours. What a lot of blind computer
users fail to realize until its explained to them that their bad
experience is not due to the mouse itself, but how the programmer
chose to program the mouse in his/her application that causes the
issue with accessibility. Here is a valid case in point.

A lot of blind users probably have never used a mouse to point and
click on items in Windows applications. That's because some screen
readers like Jaws do not track the physical mouse pointer, and use a
virtual mouse cursor, the Jaws Cursor, instead. However, that doesn't
mean the mouse couldn't be 90% to 100% accessible for a blind user
too.

On Linux, for example, the Orca screen reader has an option to track
the mouse that can be enabled in preferences.  Once a Linux user does
that they can freely move the mouse around on the screen and Orca will
tell them what is under the mouse such as buttons, panels, program
launchers, checkboxes, and so on. It takes a little bit of practice to
get use to, but in the Gnome graphical environment for Linux I've been
able to use the mouse to move to the main panel, click on a program
launcher, and start Firefox, Thunderbird, whatever without even
touching the keyboard. Which goes to show its not the mouse to blame
but how its program and how access technology supports it.

On 1/31/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas, thanks for that, I think  I understand it a bit better now, I
 didn't realise the mouse could be used that way at all.  When I was at
 School for example they had games which were mouse friendly but it was click
 on certain things in the pictures to make the person actually talk or move,
 hense my hatered for the mouse in games :)

 From Lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Kelvin,

Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a while. I
tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and stopped
playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of playing it
in single player mode.

The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward is that is
a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot of the
newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could name allowed
you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc with the
mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.

On 1/31/12, Kelvin Tan k...@weiliankelvin.com wrote:
 hi thomas. I believe u haven't played swamp before. if u have I don't think
 u will forget that to move forward it's actually the right click and not w.
 thanks u for your precious info anyway.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Actually the Tomb raider games are 3rd person perspective instead of first 
person perspective.  It's a small difference but the control methods were 
usually set up a little different between those styles of games.

I actually have had several people say that mainstream first person shooter 
games use W as forward instead of the right mouse button.  I know people aren't 
actually trying to argue, but I do find it a little funny.  Some FPS games have 
shipped with W as the default over the years, but even some have shipped with 
the up arrow as default.  What I'm focused most on is what became the control 
scheme overwhelmingly adopted by players for each game's online base of 
players.  In all of these games, the right mouse button remained forever the 
king, haha.

I feel a little bad even bringing this up because I don't want anyone to think 
I'm offended by those comments or trying to defend myself.  I just felt like 
taking a different approach at explaining what I had originally meant.  I'm 
sure that many people on the list have played mainstream FPS games before they 
lost their sight and it's possible that the ones they played all happened to 
use w for walking.  I took a few minutes to think about it and I came up with 
47 first person computer games I've played.  I knew it would be a lot, but I'm 
surprised it was that many!

 Hi Kelvin,
 
 Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a
 while. I
 tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and
 stopped
 playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of
 playing it
 in single player mode.
 
 The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward
 is that is
 a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot
 of the
 newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could
 name allowed
 you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc
 with the
 mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Che]

  Yeah, Jeremy is right about the right mouse button thing.  I didn't 
realize the standard had changed so much since my days of Doom, Quake 
and so forth, but there is definately some merit in being able to use 
that left hand for doing things in conjunction with moving forward with 
the right hand.
  Personally, I have mapped forward to the space bar, but that is the 
cool thing about the keys.ini file, you can adjust it any way you want.
  Its too bad more developers aren't playing swamp.  there is a lot to 
be learned here, from the way the AI is working, to the best quality 
sounds I've ever heard in an audio game.  Even if I didn't care for the 
style of game, I'd be playing swamp just to immerse myself in a game 
done at top quality from the bottom to the top.
  Don't forget to support the effort by sending a few bucks to help the 
cause at Jeremys site:

http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/
  You can donate with pay pal or a credit card and its totally secure.
  I mention the donation thing because I want jeremy to keep making 
excellent cutting edge games for us, and showing our appreciation with 
cold hard cash is one way to do that.

  Rock.
  che



On 1/31/2012 4:34 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote:

Actually the Tomb raider games are 3rd person perspective instead of first 
person perspective.  It's a small difference but the control methods were 
usually set up a little different between those styles of games.

I actually have had several people say that mainstream first person shooter 
games use W as forward instead of the right mouse button.  I know people aren't 
actually trying to argue, but I do find it a little funny.  Some FPS games have 
shipped with W as the default over the years, but even some have shipped with 
the up arrow as default.  What I'm focused most on is what became the control 
scheme overwhelmingly adopted by players for each game's online base of 
players.  In all of these games, the right mouse button remained forever the 
king, haha.

I feel a little bad even bringing this up because I don't want anyone to think 
I'm offended by those comments or trying to defend myself.  I just felt like 
taking a different approach at explaining what I had originally meant.  I'm 
sure that many people on the list have played mainstream FPS games before they 
lost their sight and it's possible that the ones they played all happened to 
use w for walking.  I took a few minutes to think about it and I came up with 
47 first person computer games I've played.  I knew it would be a lot, but I'm 
surprised it was that many!


Hi Kelvin,

Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a
while. I
tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and
stopped
playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of
playing it
in single player mode.

The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward
is that is
a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot
of the
newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could
name allowed
you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc
with the
mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.



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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Steady Goh]

Hi Thomas,
I hope you won't have the same type of so call slight confusion with those 
programming languages you didn't use for quite a while, didn't care about 
and again giving others the wrong information.

锦发/Steady Goh
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Hi Kelvin,

Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a while. I
tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and stopped
playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of playing it
in single player mode.

The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward is that is
a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot of the
newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could name allowed
you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc with the
mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.

On 1/31/12, Kelvin Tan k...@weiliankelvin.com wrote:
hi thomas. I believe u haven't played swamp before. if u have I don't 
think
u will forget that to move forward it's actually the right click and not 
w.

thanks u for your precious info anyway.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Yeah, I know Tomb Raider is technically a third-person game, but
because I can't see the screen I tend to lump it in with the
first-person games because the mechanics are similar. Anyway, I simply
wanted to point out I have played a number of mainstream games where w
moves the character forward and s moves the character back, and since
I haven't played swamp in a while I just assumed it used similar
keyboard commands as other FPS and third-person games I have played in
the passed. Sorry, about my mistake.  Guess I should refresh my memory
before opening my mouth and inserting my foot.

Cheers!


On 1/31/12, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote:
 Actually the Tomb raider games are 3rd person perspective instead of first
 person perspective.  It's a small difference but the control methods were
 usually set up a little different between those styles of games.

 I actually have had several people say that mainstream first person shooter
 games use W as forward instead of the right mouse button.  I know people
 aren't actually trying to argue, but I do find it a little funny.  Some FPS
 games have shipped with W as the default over the years, but even some have
 shipped with the up arrow as default.  What I'm focused most on is what
 became the control scheme overwhelmingly adopted by players for each game's
 online base of players.  In all of these games, the right mouse button
 remained forever the king, haha.

 I feel a little bad even bringing this up because I don't want anyone to
 think I'm offended by those comments or trying to defend myself.  I just
 felt like taking a different approach at explaining what I had originally
 meant.  I'm sure that many people on the list have played mainstream FPS
 games before they lost their sight and it's possible that the ones they
 played all happened to use w for walking.  I took a few minutes to think
 about it and I came up with 47 first person computer games I've played.  I
 knew it would be a lot, but I'm surprised it was that many!


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Steady,

Watch the flaming. That insult was totally uncalled for. I've already
apologized to the list for my mistake. If that's not good enough for
you that's just too bad. That's your problem not mine.

On 1/31/12, Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 I hope you won't have the same type of so call slight confusion with those
 programming languages you didn't use for quite a while, didn't care about
 and again giving others the wrong information.
Steady Goh

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Ben]

Ahh Jeremy.  I hate to be one of the exceptions to the rule.  Since I've
never had sight myself, I have only played fps games that use the console
controllers - with the help of my dad and others.  But I personally dislike
having one mouse button for walking and one for firing - personally I'd say
reload should be right mouse button and reassign the walking to something
else...

Ben.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky
Sent: 31 January 2012 22:34
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Actually the Tomb raider games are 3rd person perspective instead of first
person perspective.  It's a small difference but the control methods were
usually set up a little different between those styles of games.

I actually have had several people say that mainstream first person shooter
games use W as forward instead of the right mouse button.  I know people
aren't actually trying to argue, but I do find it a little funny.  Some FPS
games have shipped with W as the default over the years, but even some have
shipped with the up arrow as default.  What I'm focused most on is what
became the control scheme overwhelmingly adopted by players for each game's
online base of players.  In all of these games, the right mouse button
remained forever the king, haha.

I feel a little bad even bringing this up because I don't want anyone to
think I'm offended by those comments or trying to defend myself.  I just
felt like taking a different approach at explaining what I had originally
meant.  I'm sure that many people on the list have played mainstream FPS
games before they lost their sight and it's possible that the ones they
played all happened to use w for walking.  I took a few minutes to think
about it and I came up with 47 first person computer games I've played.  I
knew it would be a lot, but I'm surprised it was that many!

 Hi Kelvin,
 
 Actually, I have played Swamp before, but not for quite a while. I 
 tried it out, found I didn't really care for the game, and stopped 
 playing it. So my experience is limited to a few hours of playing it 
 in single player mode.
 
 The reason I thought w walked forward and s walked backward is that is 
 a typical FPS setup for mainstream games. Jedi Knight, a lot of the 
 newer Tomb Raider games, as well as a few others I could name allowed 
 you to walk forward/backward with w/s and you could turn etc with the 
 mouse. So that's the source of my slight confusion.


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[dan cook]

hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is only
 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
 all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel that
 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as changing
 keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is 
only

really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel 
that

there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as 
changing

keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Lori,
You should read my web page, Accessible Games that use a Mouse
http://www.pcsgames.net/mouse.htm
I have to add swamp to it.



- Original Message - 
From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is 
only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight 
at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel 
that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm 
not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as 
changing

keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Che]

  Hi Lori,
  It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just 
get used to where the items you need are located.
  It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she 
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing 
quite well and really enjoying the game.
  Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now 
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with 
mouse support, with more on the way.
  The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need 
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
  I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the 
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?

  Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
sight at
all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
changing
keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[joseph weakland]

phil i tried to open kens ftp site whith is olinked to your mouse page an it 
says page not found error 404 is that link broken
i was trying to get he airhockey PC game and the other game off site that 
don't work


- Original Message - 
From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Hi Lori,
You should read my web page, Accessible Games that use a Mouse
http://www.pcsgames.net/mouse.htm
I have to add swamp to it.



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From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more 
mainstream.

however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is 
only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight 
at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel 
that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm 
not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as 
changing

keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Christopher Bartlett]

Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn left,
move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left from
right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would with a
cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your body.

Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses the hand
you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or not it's
accessible.

Christopher Bartlett


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Che
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

   Hi Lori,
   It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just 
get used to where the items you need are located.
   It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she 
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing 
quite well and really enjoying the game.
   Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now 
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with 
mouse support, with more on the way.
   The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need 
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
   I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the 
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
   Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:
 But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

 --
 From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 hi,
 swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
 however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
 to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
 window of the game.
 also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
 keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
 other things.
 if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
 the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
 my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
 is only
 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
 sight at
 all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
 feel that
 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
 changing
 keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

Swamp is fully accessible regardless if you are totally blind or not.
Yes, it requires that you use a mouse, but that doesn't mean the game
isn't accessible. The mouse is a programmable device just like a
keyboard, joystick, etc. I respectfully suggest that you try the game
a little bit, and if you need help with the game there are plenty of
guys and gals here that can give you pointers of working with a mouse.
There are a number of accessible games that use a mouse, and you might
want to learn how to use a mouse because it is faster and smoother
than a keyboard in a lot of cases. I know there is a lot of
misconceptions out here that mice aren't blind user friendly, but
that's simply not true.

HTH


On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is only
 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
 all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel that
 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as changing
 keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

Well, let me explain this so you can understand where we are coming
from. The way the mouse works in standard Windows applications and the
way it works in games is completely different.

In standard Windows applications you need some sight to use the mouse
because the mouse is used to move a cursor around the screen to click
on buttons, menus, icons, etc. This is generally what most people
think of when you mention using a mouse. However, this doesn't apply
to games, because they use a totally different interface.

In games a mouse is no different from any other input device like a
keyboard or joystick. there is no cursor to move around and point and
click on things. Instead the game developer maps commands like walk
forward to mouse forward, walk back to mouse backward, turn left to
mouse left, turn right to mouse right, etc. This does not require any
sight at all, because when you move the mouse the audio environment is
updated to match the movement of the mouse. Make sense?

For instance, let's use Troopenum as an example. Let's say you could
use a mouse in that game. If you pulled the mouse left you would move
left in the game world, and when you pull the mouse right you would
move right in the game world. Pressing left click would fire your
laser. Essentially, the mouse would react like a joystick and not a
mouse. Therefore you don't really need sight to play the game because
the same commands that the developer could map to  a keyboard or
joystick can be mapped to the mouse too.

Cheers!


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 But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Joseph,
That link does not work for me.
His new site is:
http://www.theaddictor.com/
He has several of his games on it but not the air hockey one.

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From: joseph weakland josephweakl...@att.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


phil i tried to open kens ftp site whith is olinked to your mouse page an 
it says page not found error 404 is that link broken
i was trying to get he airhockey PC game and the other game off site that 
don't work


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From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



Hi Lori,
You should read my web page, Accessible Games that use a Mouse
http://www.pcsgames.net/mouse.htm
I have to add swamp to it.



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From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question



But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more 
mainstream.

however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it 
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight 
at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still 
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm 
not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as 
changing

keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

I don't know if it helps but i am unable to see my monitor so play all games
including swamp with the monitor off and I have found this method of
navigating using the mouse  one of the most accessible.  I haven't played
loads of audio games but swamp definitely allows for faster and more
accurate game play  than others I have tried and does feel just like the old
mainstream first person shooters I used to play because of using the mouse .
I think if you used keys instead the game would be more difficult  and
slower too. it takes a little getting used to but its definitely worth using
the mouse.

Hope this helps

Paul Lemm


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Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: 30 January 2012 15:29
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as changing
keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi, I have tried, but it is a built-in mouse to my laptop, so no way to turn 
it at all



--
From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:30 PM
To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' 
gamers@audyssey.org

Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn left,
move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left from
right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would with a
cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your body.

Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses the 
hand

you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or not 
it's

accessible.

Christopher Bartlett


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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Che
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

  Hi Lori,
  It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just
get used to where the items you need are located.
  It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing
quite well and really enjoying the game.
  Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with
mouse support, with more on the way.
  The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
  I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
  Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more 
mainstream.

however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
sight at
all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm 
not

sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
changing
keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Lori Duncan]

Hi Thomas, I have tried it out, but I can't seem to move at all, I hit d for 
example but hear no step sounds, and all there is for a mouse is the actual 
mouse pad built into my laptop computer, and the 2 buttons left and right, 
but you can't actually turn the mouse, only press each button, I don't know 
if moving my finger over the pad would move me or not, the other keys work 
fine, for example the chat keys, and sellecting the weapons I have, but the 
rest I'm still struggling with.

Thanks from Lori.

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:40 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Hi Lori,

Swamp is fully accessible regardless if you are totally blind or not.
Yes, it requires that you use a mouse, but that doesn't mean the game
isn't accessible. The mouse is a programmable device just like a
keyboard, joystick, etc. I respectfully suggest that you try the game
a little bit, and if you need help with the game there are plenty of
guys and gals here that can give you pointers of working with a mouse.
There are a number of accessible games that use a mouse, and you might
want to learn how to use a mouse because it is faster and smoother
than a keyboard in a lot of cases. I know there is a lot of
misconceptions out here that mice aren't blind user friendly, but
that's simply not true.

HTH


On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is 
only

really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel 
that

there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as 
changing

keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Dallas O'Brien]

On 1/31/2012 5:49, Lori Duncan wrote:
Hi, I have tried, but it is a built-in mouse to my laptop, so no way 
to turn it at all



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From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:30 PM
To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' 
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn 
left,
move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left 
from
right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would 
with a
cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your 
body.


Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses 
the hand

you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or 
not it's

accessible.

Christopher Bartlett


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org 
[mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On

Behalf Of Che
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

  Hi Lori,
  It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just
get used to where the items you need are located.
  It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing
quite well and really enjoying the game.
  Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with
mouse support, with more on the way.
  The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
  I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
  Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more 
mainstream.

however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
sight at
all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. 
I'm not

sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
changing
keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

try it man.
The blind can play this.
However if it doesn't work, spend the cash on a gaming mouse.
I was dissapointed when I started palying, I fiddled with my old 
mouse speed and decided the mouse was at fault.
I have a logitech gaming mouse, sx518 gaming grade its called and 
never looked back.
It cost me 60 nz bucks over here and was an upgrade from my 30 buck 
genius mouse.

At 03:29 p.m. 30/01/2012 +, you wrote:
Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it 
is only really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people 
with ni sight at all.  I know you can change the keys in the config 
file, but still feel that there should be a totally blind-friendly 
version made availible.  I'm not sure how to go about trying to make 
the game work for me as far as changing keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

although not required a gaming mouse is needed to really play well.
Standard mice or at least my mouse never kept up it would be easier 
just to use keyboard.
So I got a gaming mouse, it doesn't have any extra programming 
features but it does have a faster engine.

At 04:02 p.m. 30/01/2012 +, you wrote:

hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover 
it is only

 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
 all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but 
still feel that

 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as changing
 keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

this game uses 3d sound positioning or at least some form of sound 
positioning, there are radars you can use from time to time if you 
want they are avalible.
You need to practice, there are tutorials on the subject of swamp, 
plastered round the net, look on the audiogames forum, there are 
loads I have a few can't remember where I got them from but there are 
loads of recordings online.

At 04:09 p.m. 30/01/2012 +, you wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni sight at
all.  I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.  I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as changing
keys goes.  Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

oh and you need good headphones, I have a semi broke set of hd205 
senheisers, though they are heavy as, hd201s really shine for this 
sort of thing.
I also have a plantronics headset mic that splits the stereo field in 
half realy good.
However you will need a relitively expensive headset to really enjoy, 
your cheap 20 buck sets just won't cut it well.

You need to pay well around 200 bucks to get a good set or less.
Its worth it because they last ages and ages.
I have my sets for 5 years and only just replaced one of them.
At 11:06 a.m. 30/01/2012 -0600, you wrote:

  Hi Lori,
  It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you 
just get used to where the items you need are located.
  It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, 
she is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she 
is doing quite well and really enjoying the game.
  Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp 
now with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games 
with mouse support, with more on the way.
  The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just 
need to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
  I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for 
the first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?

  Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
sight at
all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
changing
keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

I should also add that I was round as were others on the audiogames 
forum in october when this was first being tried.

aprone has hinted nocturnus was round earlier than official release.
This thing is user driven as are most of aprones community based projects.
We debated all the issues you bring up lorry for munths.
We still are, and the game is still growing.
At 12:30 p.m. 30/01/2012 -0500, you wrote:

Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn left,
move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left from
right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would with a
cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your body.

Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses the hand
you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or not it's
accessible.

Christopher Bartlett


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Che
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

   Hi Lori,
   It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just
get used to where the items you need are located.
   It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing
quite well and really enjoying the game.
   Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with
mouse support, with more on the way.
   The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
   I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
   Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:
 But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

 --
 From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 hi,
 swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
 however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
 to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
 window of the game.
 also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
 keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
 other things.
 if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
 the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
 my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
 is only
 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
 sight at
 all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
 feel that
 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
 changing
 keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Christopher Bartlett]

Lori, your track pad will work by sliding your finger over it.  One thing of
which to be aware is that some track pads have spots that act to click the
mouse buttons, which would not be helpful.  Really, the best way is to pick
up a USB mouse and plug it in to your machine.  They can be as much as $20,
but others have found them for less.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

turn that off, and get an external, I know some that have used a 
touch pad but I have never been able to.
On some systems they have a tablet which I find annoying maybe you 
could play with that but I am use to physical movement of a mouse myself.

At 07:49 p.m. 30/01/2012 +, you wrote:
Hi, I have tried, but it is a built-in mouse to my laptop, so no way 
to turn it at all



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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn left,
move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left from
right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would with a
cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your body.

Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses the hand
you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or not it's
accessible.

Christopher Bartlett


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Che
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

  Hi Lori,
  It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just
get used to where the items you need are located.
  It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she
is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing
quite well and really enjoying the game.
  Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now
with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with
mouse support, with more on the way.
  The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need
to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
  I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the
first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
  Later
che


On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:

But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

--
From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


hi,
swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more mainstream.
however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
window of the game.
also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
other things.
if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
is only
really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
sight at
all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
feel that
there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible. I'm not
sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
changing
keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Dallas O'Brien]

On 1/31/2012 6:56, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

Lori, your track pad will work by sliding your finger over it.  One thing of
which to be aware is that some track pads have spots that act to click the
mouse buttons, which would not be helpful.  Really, the best way is to pick
up a USB mouse and plug it in to your machine.  They can be as much as $20,
but others have found them for less.

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usually a single tap on the pad will act as a single left click, so just 
be careful not to just tap the pad. make your motions like a swiping 
action, left or right, and you will be fine. i don't use an external 
mouse, and have no need for one. i rather prefer a touch pad, because 
its not based on you having space to move a mouse on a desktop.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Christopher Bartlett]

Using a $30 set of headphones and I don't feel the need to spend more.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[shaun everiss]

well I guess it depends on what you are used to.
I never heard the full sound with cheap phones but its just 
prefference I guess.

At 04:27 p.m. 30/01/2012 -0500, you wrote:

Using a $30 set of headphones and I don't feel the need to spend more.

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Kelvin Tan]

i'm using a touch pad on my laptop to play swamp as well. all u need to do 
is to slide your finger left or right to turn in swamp. it's not difficult 
at all after some practice.
- Original Message - 
From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question


On 1/31/2012 5:49, Lori Duncan wrote:
 Hi, I have tried, but it is a built-in mouse to my laptop, so no way
 to turn it at all


 --
 From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:30 PM
 To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list'
 gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Here's the thing Lori.  You only need sight to use a mouse if you're
 tracking the mouse pointer.  When you move the mouse in Swamp, the audio
 environment changes in a predictable way; move the mouse left, turn
 left,
 move the mouse right, turn right.  You don't really even to know left
 from
 right, just be able to navigate using audio cues just as you would
 with a
 cane or dog, with moving the mouse being equivalent to turning your
 body.

 Once you've practiced, and put together a keyboard layout that uses
 the hand
 you're not moving the mouse with, you will be able to react quickly and
 smoothly in a way you simply could not with a keyboard.

 As others have posted here, please try it before judging whether or
 not it's
 accessible.

 Christopher Bartlett


 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
 [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Che
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

   Hi Lori,
   It is the same concept as using a keyboard totally blind, you just
 get used to where the items you need are located.
   It takes some practice, but my wife just started playing swamp, she
 is totally blind, and never used a mouse before either, but she is doing
 quite well and really enjoying the game.
   Keep in mind, hundreds of totally blind folks are playing swamp now
 with a mouse, and hundreds others have played other audio games with
 mouse support, with more on the way.
   The mouse is a great method of input for the blind, folks just need
 to be open minded and give it a fair shot.
   I sent some tips to the list a while back on using the mouse for the
 first time, perhaps someone could dig that post up and re post?
   Later
 che


 On 1/30/2012 10:09 AM, Lori Duncan wrote:
 But if you can't see then how are you supposed to opperate a mouse?

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 From: dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:02 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 hi,
 swamp was intended to be mouse controled to make it feel more
 mainstream.
 however even though it takes a while to get used to, its easy enough
 to get used to mouse control as the mouse cannot move outside the
 window of the game.
 also in an fps like this, learning to use a mouse completely defeats
 keyboard control, as its much easier to have prosice movements among
 other things.
 if you need to config keys diferently such as the reload button etc,
 the config file makes it easy to understand anyway.
 my advice is just keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

 On 1/30/12, Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi I just downloaded Swamp, but am quite disappointed to descover it
 is only
 really mouse friendly, so not really friendly for people with ni
 sight at
 all. I know you can change the keys in the config file, but still
 feel that
 there should be a totally blind-friendly version made availible.
 I'm not
 sure how to go about trying to make the game work for me as far as
 changing
 keys goes. Thanks from Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jorge Gonçalves]

Hello everyone.
I'm playing swamp and i  noticed that when i press tab for changing the 
speech mode, it crashes my nvda and than i can't do anything in the 
computer.
My question is if Nvda is supported and if so what is the number that i 
should put in the progress.ini
And if nvda is not supported correctly which number i should type for 
using the game with sapi speech?

Many thanks in advance.


Jorge Gonçalves
jopo...@hotmail.com
Skype: joport3
Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge
Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com

On 11/20/2011 5:47 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote:

You'd still have to modify the functions though for each individual game
and of course you'd have to know the right way to do so.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
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To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] More BGT news



In the Jawe script manager, there is a feature that puts all the
functions in a listbox. So what you do is find the function you want
and press enter. This puts the function in the editor. I'm guessing
that that's and ide feature. Could such and emplementation be put in
the BGT engine? Maybe not since it's not an acual ide.

Tim
- Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall
phi...@blastbay.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] More BGT news



Hi all,

First, let me say thanks once again to all of those who sent me so
much positive feedback over the last few days since I released BGT
1.1. This kind of stuff is what makes my work interesting, and
worthwhile.

Now, I just wanted to write and tell you that revision 2 of the
engine is available. The reason I'm mentioning it on list is because
it contains a feature that many of you have been wanting for a long
time, namely the ability to read and write in the registry. I have
made a settings class which wraps this up quite nicely, and prevents
script kids from tampering with keys and values that do not concern
them.

And as usual, the revision also contains a number of bugfixes
reported by users.

The next major feature that will see the light of day is joystick
support. I have started working on this and am making good progress.
So stay tuned for that!

Kind regards,

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Darren Duff]

I think it's 4. 

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jorge Gonçalves
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:54 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

Hello everyone.
I'm playing swamp and i  noticed that when i press tab for changing the
speech mode, it crashes my nvda and than i can't do anything in the
computer.
My question is if Nvda is supported and if so what is the number that i
should put in the progress.ini And if nvda is not supported correctly which
number i should type for using the game with sapi speech?
Many thanks in advance.


Jorge Gonçalves
jopo...@hotmail.com
Skype: joport3
Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge
Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com

On 11/20/2011 5:47 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote:
 You'd still have to modify the functions though for each individual 
 game and of course you'd have to know the right way to do so.
 They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
 - Original Message - From: Tim Kilgore tim8...@cox.net
 To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list
 gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 In the Jawe script manager, there is a feature that puts all the 
 functions in a listbox. So what you do is find the function you want 
 and press enter. This puts the function in the editor. I'm guessing 
 that that's and ide feature. Could such and emplementation be put in 
 the BGT engine? Maybe not since it's not an acual ide.

 Tim
 - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall
 phi...@blastbay.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:40 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 Hi all,

 First, let me say thanks once again to all of those who sent me so 
 much positive feedback over the last few days since I released BGT 
 1.1. This kind of stuff is what makes my work interesting, and 
 worthwhile.

 Now, I just wanted to write and tell you that revision 2 of the 
 engine is available. The reason I'm mentioning it on list is because 
 it contains a feature that many of you have been wanting for a long 
 time, namely the ability to read and write in the registry. I have 
 made a settings class which wraps this up quite nicely, and prevents 
 script kids from tampering with keys and values that do not concern 
 them.

 And as usual, the revision also contains a number of bugfixes 
 reported by users.

 The next major feature that will see the light of day is joystick 
 support. I have started working on this and am making good progress.
 So stay tuned for that!

 Kind regards,

 Philip Bennefall
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[lenron brown]

where can i find the progress.ini i did not see it in the folder what
is the file called

On 11/20/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's 4.

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Jorge Gonçalves
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:54 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Hello everyone.
 I'm playing swamp and i  noticed that when i press tab for changing the
 speech mode, it crashes my nvda and than i can't do anything in the
 computer.
 My question is if Nvda is supported and if so what is the number that i
 should put in the progress.ini And if nvda is not supported correctly which
 number i should type for using the game with sapi speech?
 Many thanks in advance.


 Jorge Gonçalves
 jopo...@hotmail.com
 Skype: joport3
 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge
 Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com

 On 11/20/2011 5:47 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote:
 You'd still have to modify the functions though for each individual
 game and of course you'd have to know the right way to do so.
 They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
 - Original Message - From: Tim Kilgore tim8...@cox.net
 To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list
 gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 In the Jawe script manager, there is a feature that puts all the
 functions in a listbox. So what you do is find the function you want
 and press enter. This puts the function in the editor. I'm guessing
 that that's and ide feature. Could such and emplementation be put in
 the BGT engine? Maybe not since it's not an acual ide.

 Tim
 - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall
 phi...@blastbay.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:40 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 Hi all,

 First, let me say thanks once again to all of those who sent me so
 much positive feedback over the last few days since I released BGT
 1.1. This kind of stuff is what makes my work interesting, and
 worthwhile.

 Now, I just wanted to write and tell you that revision 2 of the
 engine is available. The reason I'm mentioning it on list is because
 it contains a feature that many of you have been wanting for a long
 time, namely the ability to read and write in the registry. I have
 made a settings class which wraps this up quite nicely, and prevents
 script kids from tampering with keys and values that do not concern
 them.

 And as usual, the revision also contains a number of bugfixes
 reported by users.

 The next major feature that will see the light of day is joystick
 support. I have started working on this and am making good progress.
 So stay tuned for that!

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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

To activate NVDA using the progress.ini file, replace the first line with the 
number 1.  I am very much looking forward to releasing the next update because 
this screen reader bug is fixed.

 Hello everyone.
 I'm playing swamp and i  noticed that when i press tab
 for changing the 
 speech mode, it crashes my nvda and than i can't do
 anything in the 
 computer.
 My question is if Nvda is supported and if so what is the
 number that i 
 should put in the progress.ini
 And if nvda is not supported correctly which number i
 should type for 
 using the game with sapi speech?
 Many thanks in advance.
 
 
 Jorge Gonçalves
 jopo...@hotmail.com
 Skype: joport3
 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge
 Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Lenron, the progress.ini file is created the first time you run Swamp, so if 
you haven't played it yet then the file won't be found in the folder.  To solve 
this, just run the game and exit, and the file will be there in the main Swamp 
folder.

 where can i find the progress.ini i
 did not see it in the folder what
 is the file called


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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[Darren Duff]

Should be in the swamp folder. You probably have show hidden files turned
off. 

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:16 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

where can i find the progress.ini i did not see it in the folder what is the
file called

On 11/20/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's 4.

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
 On Behalf Of Jorge Gonçalves
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:54 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

 Hello everyone.
 I'm playing swamp and i  noticed that when i press tab for changing 
 the speech mode, it crashes my nvda and than i can't do anything in 
 the computer.
 My question is if Nvda is supported and if so what is the number that 
 i should put in the progress.ini And if nvda is not supported 
 correctly which number i should type for using the game with sapi speech?
 Many thanks in advance.


 Jorge Gonçalves
 jopo...@hotmail.com
 Skype: joport3
 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge
 Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com

 On 11/20/2011 5:47 AM, Bryan Peterson wrote:
 You'd still have to modify the functions though for each individual 
 game and of course you'd have to know the right way to do so.
 They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
 - Original Message - From: Tim Kilgore tim8...@cox.net
 To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list
 gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 In the Jawe script manager, there is a feature that puts all the 
 functions in a listbox. So what you do is find the function you want 
 and press enter. This puts the function in the editor. I'm guessing 
 that that's and ide feature. Could such and emplementation be put in 
 the BGT engine? Maybe not since it's not an acual ide.

 Tim
 - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall
 phi...@blastbay.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:40 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] More BGT news


 Hi all,

 First, let me say thanks once again to all of those who sent me so 
 much positive feedback over the last few days since I released BGT 
 1.1. This kind of stuff is what makes my work interesting, and 
 worthwhile.

 Now, I just wanted to write and tell you that revision 2 of the 
 engine is available. The reason I'm mentioning it on list is 
 because it contains a feature that many of you have been wanting 
 for a long time, namely the ability to read and write in the 
 registry. I have made a settings class which wraps this up quite 
 nicely, and prevents script kids from tampering with keys and 
 values that do not concern them.

 And as usual, the revision also contains a number of bugfixes 
 reported by users.

 The next major feature that will see the light of day is joystick 
 support. I have started working on this and am making good progress.
 So stay tuned for that!

 Kind regards,

 Philip Bennefall
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Re: [Audyssey] Swamp question

[lenron brown]

how would i turn this on i am using windows 7

On 11/20/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote:
 Lenron, the progress.ini file is created the first time you run Swamp, so if
 you haven't played it yet then the file won't be found in the folder.  To
 solve this, just run the game and exit, and the file will be there in the
 main Swamp folder.

 where can i find the progress.ini i
 did not see it in the folder what
 is the file called


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