Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-15 Thread Ken
Actually, you wouldn't need to write the words, but rather just do kh for 
king of hearts, xs for ten of spades and so on--just like a braille deck of 
cards.
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To: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com; Gamers Discussion list 
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



Hi Che,
I think you can acomplish this by simply creating a text area on your 
Windows form and placing text into it. Then the Jaws or Window Eyes user 
could review the text with his/her braille display. I assume then here 
with you not being a braille user yourself you would aim for grade one 
braille support. That is Everything would be spelled out letter for 
letter, word for word, without any braille contractions. If you want 
contractions then one of us would have to translate the words into grade 2 
contracted braille. For example King of Hearts would look like K+ ( Hets 
in grade 2 braille.


Che wrote:

  Hi all,
  I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
  I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
  Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
  I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really 
appreciate it.
  And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

  Thanks for any help,
  Che
c...@blindadrenaline.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-15 Thread Charles Rivard

Good thought, which I hadn't thought of!  Shame on me.

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games


Actually, you wouldn't need to write the words, but rather just do kh for 
king of hearts, xs for ten of spades and so on--just like a braille deck 
of cards.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com; Gamers Discussion list 
gamers@audyssey.org

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



Hi Che,
I think you can acomplish this by simply creating a text area on your 
Windows form and placing text into it. Then the Jaws or Window Eyes user 
could review the text with his/her braille display. I assume then here 
with you not being a braille user yourself you would aim for grade one 
braille support. That is Everything would be spelled out letter for 
letter, word for word, without any braille contractions. If you want 
contractions then one of us would have to translate the words into grade 
2 contracted braille. For example King of Hearts would look like K+ ( 
Hets in grade 2 braille.


Che wrote:

  Hi all,
  I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
  I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
  Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as 
sapi, so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work 
with braille.
  I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get 
more info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really 
appreciate it.
  And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles 
for a little hwile, it is well worth it.

  Thanks for any help,
  Che
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-15 Thread Thomas Ward

HiKen,
That makes sense. That also is much easier than translating grade 1 into 
grade 2 which many new braille users might not know.


Ken wrote:
Actually, you wouldn't need to write the words, but rather just do kh 
for king of hearts, xs for ten of spades and so on--just like a braille 
deck of cards.



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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-15 Thread Che
 Would it not be possible for the user to assign dictionary entries into 
their screenreader so they could have it reed the cards in whatever fashion 
they want?
 It looks like the games may be ready to go as is with some combinations of 
screenreaders and braille displays, as I have kept everything fairly 
standard in hopes of allowing as many people as possible to use their own 
screenreaders instead of sapi.

For those of you that wish to test the games, please email me off list at
c...@blindadrenaline.com
and i'll hook you up.
 Thanks,
che

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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



Good thought, which I hadn't thought of!  Shame on me.

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From: Ken kenwdow...@neo.rr.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games


Actually, you wouldn't need to write the words, but rather just do kh for 
king of hearts, xs for ten of spades and so on--just like a braille deck 
of cards.
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com; Gamers Discussion list 
gamers@audyssey.org

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



Hi Che,
I think you can acomplish this by simply creating a text area on your 
Windows form and placing text into it. Then the Jaws or Window Eyes user 
could review the text with his/her braille display. I assume then here 
with you not being a braille user yourself you would aim for grade one 
braille support. That is Everything would be spelled out letter for 
letter, word for word, without any braille contractions. If you want 
contractions then one of us would have to translate the words into grade 
2 contracted braille. For example King of Hearts would look like K+ ( 
Hets in grade 2 braille.


Che wrote:

  Hi all,
  I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
  I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
  Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as 
sapi, so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work 
with braille.
  I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can 
either test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can 
get more info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd 
really appreciate it.
  And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right 
thing and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf 
and blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment 
like this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their 
troubles for a little hwile, it is well worth it.

  Thanks for any help,
  Che
c...@blindadrenaline.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-14 Thread Ken
I'll test it for you no problem--just let me know how me want it all set up 
and I'll see what I can do.
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From: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



 Hi all,
 I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
 I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
 Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
 I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really appreciate 
it.
 And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

 Thanks for any help,
 Che
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-14 Thread Ken
Guess I should add that I have a pac mate bx20--love playing games with 
Braille.

Ken

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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games


Hi there, I can help you. I am using Virgo buut I have a brailledisplay so 
I can test it without Speech from Virgo.

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Subject: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



 Hi all,
 I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
 I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
 Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
 I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really 
appreciate it.
 And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

 Thanks for any help,
 Che
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-14 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Che,
I think you can acomplish this by simply creating a text area on your 
Windows form and placing text into it. Then the Jaws or Window Eyes user 
could review the text with his/her braille display. I assume then here 
with you not being a braille user yourself you would aim for grade one 
braille support. That is Everything would be spelled out letter for 
letter, word for word, without any braille contractions. If you want 
contractions then one of us would have to translate the words into grade 
2 contracted braille. For example King of Hearts would look like K+ ( 
Hets in grade 2 braille.


Che wrote:

  Hi all,
  I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
  I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
  Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, so it 
seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with braille.
  I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either test 
the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more info on 
making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really appreciate it.
  And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks playing 
games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing and put 
yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and blind, I would 
very much appreciate having access to entertainment like this.  If it helps 
only one person take their mind off their troubles for a little hwile, it is 
well worth it.
  Thanks for any help,
  Che
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-14 Thread Charles Rivard
The text can be spelled out letter by letter.  The braille display can then 
be set to display in contracted braille, or at least, some of them can. 
HTH.


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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



Hi Che,
I think you can acomplish this by simply creating a text area on your 
Windows form and placing text into it. Then the Jaws or Window Eyes user 
could review the text with his/her braille display. I assume then here 
with you not being a braille user yourself you would aim for grade one 
braille support. That is Everything would be spelled out letter for 
letter, word for word, without any braille contractions. If you want 
contractions then one of us would have to translate the words into grade 2 
contracted braille. For example King of Hearts would look like K+ ( Hets 
in grade 2 braille.


Che wrote:

  Hi all,
  I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
  I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
  Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
  I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really 
appreciate it.
  And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

  Thanks for any help,
  Che
c...@blindadrenaline.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-13 Thread Kevin Weispfennig
Hi there, I can help you. I am using Virgo buut I have a brailledisplay so I 
can test it without Speech from Virgo.

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From: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



 Hi all,
 I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
 I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
 Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
 I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really appreciate 
it.
 And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

 Thanks for any help,
 Che
c...@blindadrenaline.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-13 Thread Lukás Hosnedl

Hi,
I can help you using a Focus 40-80. It amazed me that you can't read braille 
yourself. Then I realized that you probably weren't forced nor had any 
reason to learn it when you lost your sight in your early 20's, as far as I 
remember, but braille output can help and even speed things up a great deal 
if you want to double-check any longer piece of text or probably even a 
program code. :-) Not to mention mathematical or chemical formulas. *smile*

Lukas
- Original Message - 
From: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games



 Hi all,
 I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
 I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
 Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, 
so it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with 
braille.
 I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either 
test the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more 
info on making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really appreciate 
it.
 And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks 
playing games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing 
and put yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and 
blind, I would very much appreciate having access to entertainment like 
this.  If it helps only one person take their mind off their troubles for 
a little hwile, it is well worth it.

 Thanks for any help,
 Che
c...@blindadrenaline.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games

2009-02-13 Thread Valiant8086
Hi.
I have two different braille displays I can test with. I'll be happy to try it 
out. I'm deaf blind, but I have enough hearing to play audio games and to not 
use braille but rather speech primarily. that said, I do know what being deaf 
blind is like and I'd be glad to try it out to see how things worked.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Che 
  To: Gamers Discussion list 
  Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:49 PM
  Subject: [Audyssey] Using braille displays with accessible games


Hi all,
I am almost done with my online card games hearts and hold em poker.
I am wanting to include braille output for those dependant on braille 
displays.
Both games can currently use jaws as the speech engine as well as sapi, so 
it seems it wouldn't be too hard to convert the output to work with braille.
I cannot read braille myself, but if anyone is on list that can either test 
the games with a braille display or let me know where I can get more info on 
making jaws play nice with braille displays, I'd really appreciate it.
And before anyone says it isn't worth the time due to the few folks playing 
games with braille, sometimes you just got to do the right thing and put 
yourself in another persons shoes. I know if I were deaf and blind, I would 
very much appreciate having access to entertainment like this.  If it helps 
only one person take their mind off their troubles for a little hwile, it is 
well worth it.
Thanks for any help,
Che
  c...@blindadrenaline.com
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