Hi Chrissy,
Well, I don't know that adding accessibility would necessarily double
game pricing, but it would cost the game companies something to add all
the same. Certainly it wouldn't come free, of course, and it would take
some extra time and effort to add. Never-the-less it isn't as
] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Chrissy,
Well, I don't know that adding accessibility would necessarily double game
pricing, but it would cost the game companies something to add all the
same. Certainly it wouldn't come free, of course, and it would take some
extra time and effort
- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be to
make Sony
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Bryan,
Perhaps, but I don't see any other way to bring
well when I started on the game and got my varification sorted he said he was
unsure how a blind person would play.
It is clear that him and others are listening.
Because on the first day I posted to him all the stuff I found inaccessible
which was a large bundle.
It was sorted in the next
hmmm well we should have the tech for it.
pc wise we are already using directx, xna, sdl dotnet mono c++ flash,
shockwave, projecter and various others.
So its possible in tech terms we are quite up with the play.
There is no access gap in that reguard.
However we only worry about the sounds and
well japan is one of the countries like carrier that actually has better tech
not sure about the us or uk but sertainly better than nz.
and yet they say they are lagging a bit.
Hmmm japan as one big corperation?
interesting thought, I get an image of japan being this mega office somewhere.
Wow!
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From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
well its the only option
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:55 AM
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Nobody really. That's why I don't see this going anywhere. And if the
media gets hold of it, well there's every possibility as I said, that
it'll only confirm
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:55 AM
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Nobody really. That's why I don't see this going anywhere. And if the
media gets hold of it, well there's every possibility as I said, that
it'll only
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:26 AM
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So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun
@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Yohandy
Sent: Sunday
Hello,
Please note that the legal requirement is for a certain percentage of
people with disabilities, not for blind people specifically. That said,
the rehab agencies train specific work skills and then help the blind
person to find work which requires the skills.
David Chittenden, MS,
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony
Hi David,
Thanks so much for your informative e-mail. I'm glad there was someone
on here could answer not only my questions on this issue, but clears up
some things I may have said that were perhaps less true than the reality
of the situation.
Smile.
David Chittenden wrote:
Hello,
I
Hi Dark,
Well, keep in mind here that most independent developers are in it more
for the pleasure of doing it than the money. Call it a hobby that brings
in a few extra dollars and cents, and the real value is creating game
worlds from scratch, and letting people play in those worlds. That's
Hi Allan,
Unfortunately, that pbroaches the question of how you will make the
business work. Sure you could put millions into the company for start up
costs, but you still have to earn that money back with a healthy profit
to make it continue. Of course if the games are designed in such a way
Hi David,
Absolutely correct. Our list is a minority of a minority and we usually
have around 300 members on average. All of us together would not be a
very convincing group of blind gamers to encourage mainstream game
developers of the value of accessibility. If a talking clock that sold
Hi Al,
It simply is not financially feasible for a company like Sony to do
that. It would likely cost them much more than it is worth to create a
line of games specifically for the visually impaired. There is a lot of
money involved in bringing a single product like that to market, and
True Tom, but even more successful independent companies have been
reasonable about access.
One great example of this is Niels bauer, for their full history, look
them up on Wikipedia, --- and you'll see they've been going for a lot
longer, and been far more successful (relatively
: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Al,
It simply is not financially feasible for a company like Sony to do that.
It would likely cost them much more than it is worth to create a line of
games specifically for the visually
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So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
That is quite insulting.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Now that I
-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:59 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Now that I don't agree with.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street
wow I never thought we would have the cash or whatever to pull this off.
Excuse my language but this guy better win.
If not then we will now get the reputation as spoilt demanding f**king
b**stards!
Suing, yeah good idea.
ofcause if we win it would actually make someone take notice may not do a
same here I'd like to play mainstream, to, but one person suits aint goina do
it not a smigen.
group suits would but the foundations and other orgs have better things to
worry aboutlike roading access and other things more important than games.
so yeah we will have to muddle along.
ofcause if
I do aggree that if you play video games blind or sighted unless you have a job
doing it then you are a sad fella.
I play games all the time but I'd never concider it a life long dream.
At 02:08 p.m. 7/11/2009, you wrote:
Hello,
An even more interesting read is the comments which are posted
hmmm though not strictly game related I was having issues with the dev of
flashfxp on accessability the lead dev asked me what to do and I told him and
he fixed the issue.
OFcause ioware is a small company as they only sell 2 products.
So I do think we will eventually play mainstream games,
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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hello
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From: ChB chr1...@gmx.de
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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
While I find the comments about
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From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
wow I never thought we would have
07, 2009 4:28 AM
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Meh, while I wouldn't push it anywhere near as far as the comments on
the actual gamespot page did, I do have an incling that this is both
A) doomed to fail and B) a pretty dodgy case in the first place
assuming
Hi Yohandy,
This is definitely an interesting development. Although, I think it is
probably going to be in vain. Too much rides on the fact the case is
based on a week legal standpoint to begin with, and to top that off the
general public is totally clueless about game accessibility as well.
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be
to make Sony and some of these major companies aware that accessible
mainstream video games are possible, and that we would like them to take
us seriously as a group interested in purchasing their video games.
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be
to make Sony and some of these major companies aware that accessible
mainstream video games are possible, and that we would like them to take
Hi Scott,
Indeed the case seams pretty weak. He and his lawyers are reaching with
their suit. So it will be very interesting to see how the judge, if it
goes that far, will decide the legal ramifications of this case.
I too agree that media support would not be of much help. I've read the
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Scott,
Indeed the case seams pretty weak. He and his lawyers are reaching with
their suit. So it will be very interesting to see how the judge, if it
goes
you do not have to change
the game itself at all.
chrissy
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:50 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer
Hi Bryan,
Perhaps, but I don't see any other way to bring the issue to a head.
Many of us, myself included, hope that Sony, Microsoft, Activision,
Capcom, Edos, Nintendo, you name it would create fully accessible video
games. That's not going to happen through talking to them, and national
] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Bryan,
Perhaps, but I don't see any other way to bring the issue to a head. Many
of us, myself included, hope that Sony, Microsoft, Activision, Capcom,
Edos, Nintendo, you name it would create fully accessible video games.
That's not going to happen
That's true tom regarding getting in touch with companies.
I actually spoke to a capcom rep on the phone, and he was less than helpful.
When I phoned Nintendo Uk asking about access to the wiimote menue system, I
got a much more useful person, who appreciated the problem and actually
tested
Hi Bryan,
That's just it though. A small time developer hasn't a chance of
competing with a multi million dollar mainstream game company for a
number of reasons. For one reason the major game platforms like the Play
Station is closed to everyone except a select few major players in the
game
: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
That's true tom regarding getting in touch with companies.
I actually spoke to a capcom rep on the phone, and he was less than
helpful.
When I phoned Nintendo Uk asking about access
: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Bryan,
That's just it though. A small time developer hasn't a chance of competing
with a multi million dollar mainstream game company for a number of
reasons. For one reason the major game
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:44 PM
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See that I would think would be the place to start. Nintendo at least
seems open to the idea. If enough information and evidence were ever able
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Well, I admit I
] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Or we could get Magic Emperor Ghaleon from the Lunar seires of RPG's. LOL.
I don't think Ghaleon would give a rat's behind. He'd be more interested
in becoming god of all creation. Then again he did redeem himself in the
second game in the series...
Homer: Hey
.
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Well, if it's a matter of sicking game characters on them, my vote would
be to feed them
Hi Tom,
Do you think it would cost more or less money for a game company like Sony
to make purely accessible games from scratch, then to make a regular title
for the sighted?
My thought is this, could a game company set up a dedicated department that
makes just accessible games that would
: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Yohandy,
This is definitely an interesting development. Although, I think it is
probably going to be in vain. Too much rides on the fact the case is
based on a week legal standpoint to begin with, and to top that off the
general public
then.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Tom,
Do you think it would cost more
Hello,
I do not believe creating accessible games from scratch would be
considered viable by any of the game developers.
Blindness is a very low incidence group which only effects .6% of the
population of any technologically advanced country, and up to .8% of
non-technologically advanced
something about it. Ed Boon's twitter name: noobde
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
It's even more
Hi Dark,
Yeah, that is pretty much my experience as well. Nice or not all we are
doing is contacting the low level peons who have no real power or
authority. Even if they sympathize with our cause they are not able to
refer us to a higher power, or are unable to do so. often it is just
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
The brutal truth is Alan, there currently are simply not enough visually
impared gamers to make
Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hello,
I do not believe creating accessible games from scratch would be
considered viable by any of the game
-
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Dark,
Yeah, that is pretty much my experience as well. Nice or not all we are
doing
: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
I suppose your right. Money is too important to the compaines to bother
with us, and the governments don't have to worry about us as a voters
block...I guess all there really is is the kindness
Hi Dark,
Hahahaha! That would be seriously funny. Talk about getting media
attention. Blind man heads armed raid against world renown video game
company. I can see the head lines now.
Seriously though, a major part of the problem is that there are
different cultural views about blindness to
Hi,
Lol! That is a pretty cool idea. Somehow bring all of the enemy game
character's to life and let them take out their frustrations on their
creators. Anyone up for seeing Donkey Kong pounding a few developers for
letting Mario beat him too?
dark wrote:
Well, if it's a matter of sicking
Funny Tom, my university has an exchange going with the university ot tokio,
and I've never had any problems with the Japanese I've met, indeed I
got to become quite good friends with one girl at my light opera society.
Also, my mum, who is a physio for disabled children did a
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi,
Lol! That is a pretty cool idea. Somehow bring all of the enemy game
character's to life and let them take out their frustrations
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi
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doubtful. that article grabbed people's interest for a few days, then
completely died and was never mentioned. A good idea could be for
everyone to write to people like Ed Boon on twitter and let him know how
awesome and accessible
:18 PM
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I suppose your right. Money is too important to the compaines to bother
with us, and the governments don't have to worry about us as a voters
block...I guess all there really is is the kindness of strangers, or Every
single
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online
] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Oh we sometimes get that here in the US as well Dark. I, too, have met a
very large number of seemingly more inlightened Japanese individuals
(usually teachers), who not only seemed open to the idea of blind students
making the same way in the world
Hi Dark,
Yeah, like I said I didn't know if her view was shared by her countrymen
or not, but merely wanted to point out that there are mixed views about
accessibility, blindness, and how different people react to a person
with a disability. Someone from a different country or culture may hold
Hi Dark,
Well, that sort of thing happens often enough here too, but ever since
the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's the USA in general is more
consciously aware of a persons individual civil rights weather they be
of another race, gender, or if they have a disability. Plus sad to say
we
Hello,
I spent a couple weeks in Japan during the World Science Fiction
Convention in 2007. After the convention finished, I spent a week
visiting universities near Tokyo to learn what their disability services
are like.
Most universities have their barrier free services. These departments
Wow! maybe we should all write to the Japanese government and get them to
slap figns on game developement companies?
while the institutional and home care business sounds pretty nasty, I'm
well impressed about what you say regarding the legal requirements on
business.
With the Uk
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