Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Maybe it's also a context thing, since, as said in my other mail, I prefer UK eloquence on my phones, but do use american voice quite happily on my computers. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Uh. I hate that accent. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT I'm just the opposite. If I have to use Eloquence I use the UK accent since the American accent is the one that sounds odd to me. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
True enough. Who knows. Another funny one is at least 2 of my phones, with talks on them have had the british version of the eloquence voice on them, and while I prefer it, quite a few other guys this side say they prefer the american version of eloquence on their phones - I think I prefer it since the pronunciation is slightly closer to ours this side, but maybe they prefer the american version since it's what most of us run on our PCs. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hmmm, the thing is though Jacob, what about startrek or babylon 5 where the computer has an obviously female synth voice? In fact a lot of old scifi tended to have them I think (there were certainly a few in dr. who). Then of course there were the old robotic voices which quite honestly didn't have! a gender. this was imho one of the things which made the original cybermen from the 2nd doctor era and the daleks so inhuman. In fact even now, though the cybermen have changed to sound deffinately male, Daleks are stil referd to as it and other than the emperor aren't said to have a gender at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT My one possible guess would be that, maybe it has something to do with old visions of technology - talking computer should sound like/sounds better when it sounds like a guy from some movie like revenge of the nerds...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT This is a very weerd point, even a female friend I know says the same thing as well. I'm sure freud would have a field day with it, though as this is supposed to be a family friendly list I won't start speculating on what he might've said ;d. The deffinition of a freudian slip: Say one thing and mean your mother! ;D. Btw, I can't speak for the kepstral or atT voices sinse I'm not familiar enough with them, but I've even found this with amazingly good synths like the seerprock ones which are some of the best I know. That's why I tend to stick with scansoft daniel and his nice, bbc news reader voice ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, Very interesting. Generally I've found the same problem. I would prefer a female Sapi voice, but most of them just strike me as wrong. Accapela Heather is not bad and ATT Lorn is okay as well. Some of the others like Scansoft Samantha just sounds like a stuck up old laidy, and is a major turn off. Cepstral Dianne is good for reading books, but some of Cepstral's voices like Amy and Emily are ssimply aweful. However, more often the male voices like David, Walter, Mike, etc are okay. I can listen to them all day with no problem. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Actually Jacob, i've always found british eloquence sounds more like what happens when a bad American actor tries! to do a british accent and fails horribly, that's why I dislike it myself and if I were to use eloquence I'd probably want the Us version just for that reason even though for most synths I'd much prefer a british voice, having something of a slightly over posh English accent myself ;D. Baat of cooorse, one is mioast displeeeyeesed; the'att the Quaains E'yengle'yish is see'yo dree'yehdfully Pre'onaaanced, bay the'yose hohrable, Ammee'yerican se'yinths. yee gods! getting orphius to say that poshly enough was bloody hard, and goodness knows what other synths will make of it ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
LOL! For example, while the US voice calls me Jacob Kroojer, the british version at least calls me Jacob Kroogger... Have at least once had someone give me a skype VOIP call from America, and then hang up since he didn't want to believe I was really speaking english - sent him an email a bit later trying to 'explain' to him...LOL again! Otherwise, when speaking to UK guys over phone etc., I have once or twice just been asked to speak a bit slower myself - but OTOH, some people like my own mother this side tell me the same thing occasionally - maybe I'm too used to my computer etc. jabbering away, and so do it myself...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Actually Jacob, i've always found british eloquence sounds more like what happens when a bad American actor tries! to do a british accent and fails horribly, that's why I dislike it myself and if I were to use eloquence I'd probably want the Us version just for that reason even though for most synths I'd much prefer a british voice, having something of a slightly over posh English accent myself ;D. Baat of cooorse, one is mioast displeeeyeesed; the'att the Quaains E'yengle'yish is see'yo dree'yehdfully Pre'onaaanced, bay the'yose hohrable, Ammee'yerican se'yinths. yee gods! getting orphius to say that poshly enough was bloody hard, and goodness knows what other synths will make of it ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Hi Jacob, most odd. For kicks I just switched orphius to it's Us english voice and read your mail, and Brad, like the Uk English voice alan pronounced your name as kruger, just like fredy's ;D. That being said, I actually found Brad to have a very odd accent, rather like an English person imitating an American, perhaps then it just depends upon where the screen reader is developed, sinse orphius was made over here and Eloquence is Us based. stil, accents aside, in terms of tone, intonation and clarity I'd stil say I prefer orphius human voices over Eloquence. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT LOL! For example, while the US voice calls me Jacob Kroojer, the british version at least calls me Jacob Kroogger... Have at least once had someone give me a skype VOIP call from America, and then hang up since he didn't want to believe I was really speaking english - sent him an email a bit later trying to 'explain' to him...LOL again! Otherwise, when speaking to UK guys over phone etc., I have once or twice just been asked to speak a bit slower myself - but OTOH, some people like my own mother this side tell me the same thing occasionally - maybe I'm too used to my computer etc. jabbering away, and so do it myself...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Actually Jacob, i've always found british eloquence sounds more like what happens when a bad American actor tries! to do a british accent and fails horribly, that's why I dislike it myself and if I were to use eloquence I'd probably want the Us version just for that reason even though for most synths I'd much prefer a british voice, having something of a slightly over posh English accent myself ;D. Baat of cooorse, one is mioast displeeeyeesed; the'att the Quaains E'yengle'yish is see'yo dree'yehdfully Pre'onaaanced, bay the'yose hohrable, Ammee'yerican se'yinths. yee gods! getting orphius to say that poshly enough was bloody hard, and goodness knows what other synths will make of it ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
I find the UK eloquence very hard to understand compared to the US one. Mind you, that's probably because I have my speech programs going ten to the dozen. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger Sent: 21 January 2011 07:54 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Maybe it's also a context thing, since, as said in my other mail, I prefer UK eloquence on my phones, but do use american voice quite happily on my computers. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Uh. I hate that accent. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT I'm just the opposite. If I have to use Eloquence I use the UK accent since the American accent is the one that sounds odd to me. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Well, not sure either, but, yes, if I want to, for example, render a text file into an audio book, in english, I use scansoft daniel (UK), and for something like afrikaans, I then use the eSpeak afrikaans voice, but anyway. Think I'm just too used to the US eloquence voice for most things, but I do add various dictionary pronounciation entries to it for things like my surname, and a few other nicknames for other people sometimes. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Jacob, most odd. For kicks I just switched orphius to it's Us english voice and read your mail, and Brad, like the Uk English voice alan pronounced your name as kruger, just like fredy's ;D. That being said, I actually found Brad to have a very odd accent, rather like an English person imitating an American, perhaps then it just depends upon where the screen reader is developed, sinse orphius was made over here and Eloquence is Us based. stil, accents aside, in terms of tone, intonation and clarity I'd stil say I prefer orphius human voices over Eloquence. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT LOL! For example, while the US voice calls me Jacob Kroojer, the british version at least calls me Jacob Kroogger... Have at least once had someone give me a skype VOIP call from America, and then hang up since he didn't want to believe I was really speaking english - sent him an email a bit later trying to 'explain' to him...LOL again! Otherwise, when speaking to UK guys over phone etc., I have once or twice just been asked to speak a bit slower myself - but OTOH, some people like my own mother this side tell me the same thing occasionally - maybe I'm too used to my computer etc. jabbering away, and so do it myself...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Actually Jacob, i've always found british eloquence sounds more like what happens when a bad American actor tries! to do a british accent and fails horribly, that's why I dislike it myself and if I were to use eloquence I'd probably want the Us version just for that reason even though for most synths I'd much prefer a british voice, having something of a slightly over posh English accent myself ;D. Baat of cooorse, one is mioast displeeeyeesed; the'att the Quaains E'yengle'yish is see'yo dree'yehdfully Pre'onaaanced, bay the'yose hohrable, Ammee'yerican se'yinths. yee gods! getting orphius to say that poshly enough was bloody hard, and goodness knows what other synths will make of it ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Well I am using espeak scottish. Its espeak, but its a weird accent. its even got some character. At 10:15 p.m. 21/01/2011, you wrote: LOL! For example, while the US voice calls me Jacob Kroojer, the british version at least calls me Jacob Kroogger... Have at least once had someone give me a skype VOIP call from America, and then hang up since he didn't want to believe I was really speaking english - sent him an email a bit later trying to 'explain' to him...LOL again! Otherwise, when speaking to UK guys over phone etc., I have once or twice just been asked to speak a bit slower myself - but OTOH, some people like my own mother this side tell me the same thing occasionally - maybe I'm too used to my computer etc. jabbering away, and so do it myself...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Actually Jacob, i've always found british eloquence sounds more like what happens when a bad American actor tries! to do a british accent and fails horribly, that's why I dislike it myself and if I were to use eloquence I'd probably want the Us version just for that reason even though for most synths I'd much prefer a british voice, having something of a slightly over posh English accent myself ;D. Baat of cooorse, one is mioast displeeeyeesed; the'att the Quaains E'yengle'yish is see'yo dree'yehdfully Pre'onaaanced, bay the'yose hohrable, Ammee'yerican se'yinths. yee gods! getting orphius to say that poshly enough was bloody hard, and goodness knows what other synths will make of it ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Hi Dark, Well, the general argument in favor of Eloquence is that it is responsive. Which is certainly true. That's the one and only reason I purchased Eloquence for Linux to work with Orca. Its voice quality is crap, but it is responsive and doesn't lag the way the Cepstral, ATT Voices, and other nore natural sounding voices do. Of course, the same holds true for ESpeak as well, and it is free. Smile. On 1/20/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Lol, I think your my polar opposite in everything here damien, ;d. i much prefer uk accents in my synths. Also, as a very weerd fact, I dislike female synth voices for some reason, even particularly good sampled ones. MAle voices I don't mind, but female ones just sound wrong to me for some reason. Very odd, sinse I have no such bias with human speech when for instance reading an audio book, in fact I have favourite readers of both genders pretty equally. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Funnily enough Tom, I've tried eloquence with hal, and found it no faster than orphius, though to me it sounds infinitely worse. This may just be because Hal has been running with orphius for years while eloquence support is comparatively new (it was only added in version ten). I can't say anything about Orphius running with sapi, sinse these days it doesn't appear in the voice selection list, and back in the days when it did I always got an error when trying to use it for some reason (one reason I got realspeak daniel instead). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, Well, the general argument in favor of Eloquence is that it is responsive. Which is certainly true. That's the one and only reason I purchased Eloquence for Linux to work with Orca. Its voice quality is crap, but it is responsive and doesn't lag the way the Cepstral, ATT Voices, and other nore natural sounding voices do. Of course, the same holds true for ESpeak as well, and it is free. Smile. On 1/20/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
I'm just the opposite. If I have to use Eloquence I use the UK accent since the American accent is the one that sounds odd to me. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Hi Dark, Very interesting. Generally I've found the same problem. I would prefer a female Sapi voice, but most of them just strike me as wrong. Accapela Heather is not bad and ATT Lorn is okay as well. Some of the others like Scansoft Samantha just sounds like a stuck up old laidy, and is a major turn off. Cepstral Dianne is good for reading books, but some of Cepstral's voices like Amy and Emily are ssimply aweful. However, more often the male voices like David, Walter, Mike, etc are okay. I can listen to them all day with no problem. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
This is a very weerd point, even a female friend I know says the same thing as well. I'm sure freud would have a field day with it, though as this is supposed to be a family friendly list I won't start speculating on what he might've said ;d. The deffinition of a freudian slip: Say one thing and mean your mother! ;D. Btw, I can't speak for the kepstral or atT voices sinse I'm not familiar enough with them, but I've even found this with amazingly good synths like the seerprock ones which are some of the best I know. That's why I tend to stick with scansoft daniel and his nice, bbc news reader voice ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, Very interesting. Generally I've found the same problem. I would prefer a female Sapi voice, but most of them just strike me as wrong. Accapela Heather is not bad and ATT Lorn is okay as well. Some of the others like Scansoft Samantha just sounds like a stuck up old laidy, and is a major turn off. Cepstral Dianne is good for reading books, but some of Cepstral's voices like Amy and Emily are ssimply aweful. However, more often the male voices like David, Walter, Mike, etc are okay. I can listen to them all day with no problem. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
My one possible guess would be that, maybe it has something to do with old visions of technology - talking computer should sound like/sounds better when it sounds like a guy from some movie like revenge of the nerds...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT This is a very weerd point, even a female friend I know says the same thing as well. I'm sure freud would have a field day with it, though as this is supposed to be a family friendly list I won't start speculating on what he might've said ;d. The deffinition of a freudian slip: Say one thing and mean your mother! ;D. Btw, I can't speak for the kepstral or atT voices sinse I'm not familiar enough with them, but I've even found this with amazingly good synths like the seerprock ones which are some of the best I know. That's why I tend to stick with scansoft daniel and his nice, bbc news reader voice ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, Very interesting. Generally I've found the same problem. I would prefer a female Sapi voice, but most of them just strike me as wrong. Accapela Heather is not bad and ATT Lorn is okay as well. Some of the others like Scansoft Samantha just sounds like a stuck up old laidy, and is a major turn off. Cepstral Dianne is good for reading books, but some of Cepstral's voices like Amy and Emily are ssimply aweful. However, more often the male voices like David, Walter, Mike, etc are okay. I can listen to them all day with no problem. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Hmmm, the thing is though Jacob, what about startrek or babylon 5 where the computer has an obviously female synth voice? In fact a lot of old scifi tended to have them I think (there were certainly a few in dr. who). Then of course there were the old robotic voices which quite honestly didn't have! a gender. this was imho one of the things which made the original cybermen from the 2nd doctor era and the daleks so inhuman. In fact even now, though the cybermen have changed to sound deffinately male, Daleks are stil referd to as it and other than the emperor aren't said to have a gender at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT My one possible guess would be that, maybe it has something to do with old visions of technology - talking computer should sound like/sounds better when it sounds like a guy from some movie like revenge of the nerds...? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT This is a very weerd point, even a female friend I know says the same thing as well. I'm sure freud would have a field day with it, though as this is supposed to be a family friendly list I won't start speculating on what he might've said ;d. The deffinition of a freudian slip: Say one thing and mean your mother! ;D. Btw, I can't speak for the kepstral or atT voices sinse I'm not familiar enough with them, but I've even found this with amazingly good synths like the seerprock ones which are some of the best I know. That's why I tend to stick with scansoft daniel and his nice, bbc news reader voice ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, Very interesting. Generally I've found the same problem. I would prefer a female Sapi voice, but most of them just strike me as wrong. Accapela Heather is not bad and ATT Lorn is okay as well. Some of the others like Scansoft Samantha just sounds like a stuck up old laidy, and is a major turn off. Cepstral Dianne is good for reading books, but some of Cepstral's voices like Amy and Emily are ssimply aweful. However, more often the male voices like David, Walter, Mike, etc are okay. I can listen to them all day with no problem. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT
Uh. I hate that accent. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT I'm just the opposite. If I have to use Eloquence I use the UK accent since the American accent is the one that sounds odd to me. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT Hi Dark, I totally agree with you with the UK accent, which is precisely why I use the US accent. To be honest I prefer the American accents in speech synths anyway. Again, because that's what I've always used. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] eloquence was, Re: Screen reader support in BGT It might just be that I am used to orphius human voices, but I've actually never thought much of eloquence, in fact to be honest I've never really thought it was that much better than microsoft Mike. Of course, this might be partially because the eloquence uk english accent is, well incredibly odd to say the least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT Hi, Unfortunately this is true. Eloquence is actually Sapi 4 based not Sapi 5 based. The Dectalk has its own API. Although Fonix did produce a Sapi 5 compatible version of Fonixtalk, AKA Dectalk, for a while. However, it is my understanding they discontinued the Sapi 5 version of Fonixtalk. The best way to support Eloquence is to purchase an SDK for it and wrap Viavoice Outloud directly. It is pretty simple to do and the API for Eloquence AKA Viavoice Outloud is very straight forward for a C++ developer. Problem is that the SDK costs quite a bit to license. Cheers! On 1/20/11, Damien Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net wrote: Hi Dark, Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
