Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread john
I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed 
below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing 
salesof Legacy games

I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for
example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are
handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and
that sort of stuff.

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games


 Hi Dark,

 Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
 Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
 informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
 discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
 Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

 I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
 Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
 weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
 always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
 bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
 really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
 about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
 ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
 little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



 On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

 While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly
 microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
 disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
 previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and
 continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that
 they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
 developer

 has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers,
 trek

 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

 I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on
 this

 issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
 making

 some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a
 shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because
 Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

 all the best,

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Josh
vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to 
use. its just like navigating a dialog box.


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john wrote:

I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed
below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing
salesof Legacy games

I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for
example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are
handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, and
that sort of stuff.

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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
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Hi Dark,

Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly
microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and
continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that
they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
developer

has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers,
trek

2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on
this

issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
making

some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a
shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just because
Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

all the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 08/09/2014 12:32, Josh wrote:

vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to
use. its just like navigating a dialog box.

signature not available.

john wrote:

I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed
below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

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From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing
salesof Legacy games

I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why,
for
example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds
are
handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly
ones, and
that sort of stuff.

---
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finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games



Hi Dark,

Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software
(silly
microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and
continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than
that
they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
developer

has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers,
trek

2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on
this

issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
making

some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a
shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just
because
Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

all the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Josh

jim kitchen's games work fine.

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Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 08/09/2014 12:32, Josh wrote:

vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to
use. its just like navigating a dialog box.

signature not available.

john wrote:
I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you 
listed

below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

--
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing
salesof Legacy games

I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why,
for
example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds
are
handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly
ones, and
that sort of stuff.

---
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finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games



Hi Dark,

Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software
(silly
microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I 
enjoyed and

continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than
that
they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
developer

has made such a decision, for example I originally bought 
Teraformers,

trek

2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my 
feelings on

this

issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
making

some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it 
is a

shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just
because
Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

all the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread john
Accept that the ribbons change randomly...

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:32 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
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salesof Legacy games

vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to
use. its just like navigating a dialog box.

signature not available.

john wrote:
 I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed
 below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

 --
 From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing
 salesof Legacy games

 I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for
 example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are
 handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
 cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
 clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, 
 and
 that sort of stuff.

 ---
 Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
 finished,
 you! really! are! finished!
 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games


 Hi Dark,

 Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
 Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
 informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
 discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
 Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

 I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
 Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
 weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
 always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
 bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
 really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
 about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
 ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
 little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



 On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

 While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly
 microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
 disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
 previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and
 continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than that
 they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
 developer

 has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers,
 trek

 2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

 I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on
 this

 issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
 making

 some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a
 shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just 
 because
 Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

 all the best,

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Charles Rivard
The ribbons do not work like a dialog box.  You can be tabbing and, 
suddenly, with no apparent reason, you are now on the lower ribbon.  Once 
there, you cannot shift tab once to get back on top.  You are now moving to 
the left along the lower ribbon, where you don't want to be.


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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing 
salesof Legacy games



vb6 games work fine on windows8.1. and the ribbons are quite easy to use. 
its just like navigating a dialog box.


signature not available.

john wrote:

I don't want to get into a detailed discussion, but everything you listed
below is completely fixable with a little effort. Just saying.

--
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:00 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing
salesof Legacy games

I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, 
for
example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds 
are

handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music
cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email
clients such as Outlook Express are replaced by less user friendly ones, 
and

that sort of stuff.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished,

you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games



Hi Dark,

Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for
Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an
informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to
discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it.
Then again, I doubt it would matter in your case.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but it seems that you hate
Microsoft, have some desire to blame them for everything they do, and
weather they do something for a good reason or a bad reason they are
always, always, always the bad guy. I don't know what your personal
bias is, but I find your comments like Microsoft should be shot
really gets up my nose, because it is assuming you know more than them
about the technical ins and outs of their technology. This isn't about
ethics or philosophy but an area of expertise you apparently know
little about beyond a basic end user's knowledge.



On 9/7/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on?

While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software 
(silly

microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely
disagree with his point that offering  the games for free is bad for
previous customers. Indeed I'd much rather the games that I enjoyed and
continue to enjoy could be appreciated by people in the future than 
that

they vanish forever, and it is not as if this is the first time a
developer

has made such a decision, for example I originally bought Teraformers,
trek

2000 and Tarzan Jr, and am happy people can still play the games.

I would very much like to contact Liam and let him know my feelings on
this

issue sinse while discontinuing the games is up to him, I think he is
making

some incorrect assumptions about the feelings of customers, and it is a
shame if people weren't able to play the games in the future just 
because

Liam was afraid previous customers would take umbridge.

all the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing salesof Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Christopher,

There are a number of reasons for why a game like Troopenum doesn't
work besides being written in VB 6.  It could be it relies on some
older activex components that are not present on the system in
question or the software Justin used to pack the executibles etc is
itself incompatible. Whatever the case we are talking multiple
dependency issues here not one or two.

Cheers!


On 9/8/14, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hmmm so why are games like Trupanum not work if they were written in VB6.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu


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