Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Tom, You're correct. To state it in a different way, general copyright states that ideas, including quotes, cannot be copyrighted. Copyrights must be on tangible items. For instance, if someone else makes a first-person shooter, I can't claim copyright infringement just because BPC has a first-person shooter. However, if it bares the name Treasure Hunt and has my character in it, that is valid grounds for a case. Munawar A. Bijani blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com http://www.bpcprograms.com Follow on Twitter for blog updates: http://www.twitter.com/munawar0009 -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Shaun, I'm not an expert on copyright law, but I know enough there is a clear line between originality and copyright infringement. By and large you can't copyright anything that is common and is not unique such as weapons like swords, guns, missile launchers, etc. Even a game as long as it contains mostly original content is protected under the fair use copyright laws. Mysteris of the Ancients was inspired by the Tomb Raider games, but is protected under the fair use laws because I never used the Tomb Raider logos and trade marks, did not use Lara Croft, or any character from the Tomb Raider games/books/movies. As a result in the eyes of the law it is an original product even though it is obvious that it is inspired by Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, Rogue Angel, and other books/movies of the same genre. What can be copyrighted are characters with a unique background story, a specific trade mark held by person x, unique weapons such as a light saber that is tied to a certain trade mark, and so on. So we have to be careful to use only generic or common content and not stray too far into specific copyrights and trade marks. HTH --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Hayden, There is. Again, by chance, but the chance is very very slim, since the computer AI is very paranoid about his health. *grin* I've beat it three times in the whole three years i've been working on it. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. By the way, is there a possible way to win on the Impossible Level of AceFire? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Sadler Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:39 PM To: thomasward1...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, I wouldn't mind knowing either. I was at my mate's house when he used a cheater program on Acefire to win the impossible difficulty. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Philip, I'd like to know how someone can design his/her games to protect from these cheating programs. I not only hate cheater programs I totally despise them with a passion. I'd love to make my games secure from these sorts of cheater programs and the people who use them. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Shaun, I was totally kidding about if you play my games as Jim you will win. Same with if you play as the Browns. Like I said before that, I never ever build cheats into my games. They just would not be fun for me to play if I could cheat to do so. TGIF and BFN Jim We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them - Albert Einstein j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Damien, I bow to you, creator and champion of Acefire! Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Sadler Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:16 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Hayden, There is. Again, by chance, but the chance is very very slim, since the computer AI is very paranoid about his health. *grin* I've beat it three times in the whole three years i've been working on it. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. By the way, is there a possible way to win on the Impossible Level of AceFire? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Sadler Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:39 PM To: thomasward1...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, I wouldn't mind knowing either. I was at my mate's house when he used a cheater program on Acefire to win the impossible difficulty. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Philip, I'd like to know how someone can design his/her games to protect from these cheating programs. I not only hate cheater programs I totally despise them with a passion. I'd love to make my games secure from these sorts of cheater programs and the people who use them. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
well people have spent money on it regardless so.. it doesn't matter at this point -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. If I were a game developer, I would not advertise the fact that I would be including a cheat preventative in my games. I'd go ahead and let them have at it, hoping that they spent money on the cheat program only to find that it would not work. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi, On various gaming sites the cheats are up there for all to see. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 02:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. how do sighted people find cheats in the program, ie get the codes? I know these are just not given by the companies that make them so cheater programs aside, with the excepting of decompiling the program how do people search for and get the codes if they care to without just typing any random thing in, I'm just interested. At 08:23 a.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 08:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net forum from someone who used art money, but I was just wondering if anyone on list had managed to have more luck with art money than me or are we stuck with out dated game cheater, I will probably post this to the audiogames.net forum as well. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4765 (20100112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Harmony, Well in theory if you disassemble a program or game, you could then change it and then recompile it. Then sell it as your's. I have never tried it, but I think that most will decompile to machine language code. BFN Jim Some assembly required. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Liam, I don't know how to do the on line score board thing, but I do spend allot of time coding so that hopefully it doesn't matter how fast or slow a person's computer is, the game will play the same for everyone. I never even knew about these cheat programs. I don't think so, but I would hate to think that people have cheated when we had a Mach 1 league and for all of the golf tournaments. BFN Jim Programmers don't repeat themselves, they LOOP j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Thomas, Yes, the only cheat that I have ever put in all of my games is that if you play with the name Jim, you will win. grin But seriously, like you, I just would not enjoy playing or enjoy beating a game if I used cheats. BFN Jim If you get cheated by the Better Business Bureau, who do you complain to? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
really? will have to do that in football. if you pick the browns, will you always win as well? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:10 AM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Thomas, Yes, the only cheat that I have ever put in all of my games is that if you play with the name Jim, you will win. grin But seriously, like you, I just would not enjoy playing or enjoy beating a game if I used cheats. BFN Jim If you get cheated by the Better Business Bureau, who do you complain to? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
yes darin I know about that. but someone has to get them up there first. if the devs don't put them up then users would. either they would get told how by someone randomly doing it or something else. Is there a program that would say search another for easter eggs and cheats and list them? Its probably not as simple as that but still. At 11:23 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Hi, On various gaming sites the cheats are up there for all to see. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 02:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. how do sighted people find cheats in the program, ie get the codes? I know these are just not given by the companies that make them so cheater programs aside, with the excepting of decompiling the program how do people search for and get the codes if they care to without just typing any random thing in, I'm just interested. At 08:23 a.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. At 11:25 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 08:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net forum from someone who used art money, but I was just wondering if anyone on list had managed to have more luck with art money than me or are we stuck with out dated game cheater, I will probably post this to the audiogames.net forum as well. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4765 (20100112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
neither would I not all at once and only sparingly. Did not know about that cheat, its no big advantage but it will be fun since I have played and won most of your stuff. At 12:09 a.m. 15/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Yes, the only cheat that I have ever put in all of my games is that if you play with the name Jim, you will win. grin But seriously, like you, I just would not enjoy playing or enjoy beating a game if I used cheats. BFN Jim If you get cheated by the Better Business Bureau, who do you complain to? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Well a lot of people just go exploring. Trying different combinations of things. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 17:01 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. yes darin I know about that. but someone has to get them up there first. if the devs don't put them up then users would. either they would get told how by someone randomly doing it or something else. Is there a program that would say search another for easter eggs and cheats and list them? Its probably not as simple as that but still. At 11:23 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Hi, On various gaming sites the cheats are up there for all to see. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 02:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. how do sighted people find cheats in the program, ie get the codes? I know these are just not given by the companies that make them so cheater programs aside, with the excepting of decompiling the program how do people search for and get the codes if they care to without just typing any random thing in, I'm just interested. At 08:23 a.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi, I'm not talking about keyboard layout more to do with game content and ideas. For example, if someone hacked Phil's packman or hp game and was playing it for free, what realistically could he do about it? Not much because the moment he tried to press charges on the Sarah game for example, ok the Sarah character is original but he's using other characters from the hp world that we all know and as such those characters are property of the hp trademark as it were. So to be honest even if Phil wanted to do something then realistically he couldn't. ok you may get slated by the blindness community for doing such a thing but if you want a free game then who's really going to care. Not that I'm encouraging it I'm not I'm merely stating the facts as I see them. The real long and short of it is that unless the material used is strictly original and not using characters or materials concerning legally protected property, for example star wars star trek, Harry potter, anything like that, then by said developer taking action all he or she is going to do is create a much larger problem for themselves. Yes the person who originally hacked the game may be in trouble but that's nothing compared to what trouble any such developer would be in. all I'll say here is look what happened with Thomas a couple of years ago and that game was no longer in production anyway. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 17:05 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. At 11:25 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 08:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Philip, I'd like to know how someone can design his/her games to protect from these cheating programs. I not only hate cheater programs I totally despise them with a passion. I'd love to make my games secure from these sorts of cheater programs and the people who use them. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi, I wouldn't mind knowing either. I was at my mate's house when he used a cheater program on Acefire to win the impossible difficulty. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Philip, I'd like to know how someone can design his/her games to protect from these cheating programs. I not only hate cheater programs I totally despise them with a passion. I'd love to make my games secure from these sorts of cheater programs and the people who use them. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
If you want a free game, I'll bet the maker of the game cares. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, I'm not talking about keyboard layout more to do with game content and ideas. For example, if someone hacked Phil's packman or hp game and was playing it for free, what realistically could he do about it? Not much because the moment he tried to press charges on the Sarah game for example, ok the Sarah character is original but he's using other characters from the hp world that we all know and as such those characters are property of the hp trademark as it were. So to be honest even if Phil wanted to do something then realistically he couldn't. ok you may get slated by the blindness community for doing such a thing but if you want a free game then who's really going to care. Not that I'm encouraging it I'm not I'm merely stating the facts as I see them. The real long and short of it is that unless the material used is strictly original and not using characters or materials concerning legally protected property, for example star wars star trek, Harry potter, anything like that, then by said developer taking action all he or she is going to do is create a much larger problem for themselves. Yes the person who originally hacked the game may be in trouble but that's nothing compared to what trouble any such developer would be in. all I'll say here is look what happened with Thomas a couple of years ago and that game was no longer in production anyway. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 17:05 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. At 11:25 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 08:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features
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Yes the developer would but if that's what you wanted then you wouldn't care yourself would you. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 22:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. If you want a free game, I'll bet the maker of the game cares. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, I'm not talking about keyboard layout more to do with game content and ideas. For example, if someone hacked Phil's packman or hp game and was playing it for free, what realistically could he do about it? Not much because the moment he tried to press charges on the Sarah game for example, ok the Sarah character is original but he's using other characters from the hp world that we all know and as such those characters are property of the hp trademark as it were. So to be honest even if Phil wanted to do something then realistically he couldn't. ok you may get slated by the blindness community for doing such a thing but if you want a free game then who's really going to care. Not that I'm encouraging it I'm not I'm merely stating the facts as I see them. The real long and short of it is that unless the material used is strictly original and not using characters or materials concerning legally protected property, for example star wars star trek, Harry potter, anything like that, then by said developer taking action all he or she is going to do is create a much larger problem for themselves. Yes the person who originally hacked the game may be in trouble but that's nothing compared to what trouble any such developer would be in. all I'll say here is look what happened with Thomas a couple of years ago and that game was no longer in production anyway. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 14 January 2010 17:05 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. At 11:25 p.m. 14/01/2010, you wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 14 January 2010 08:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give
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Hi, Not only are copyrights an issue but the cost of litigation is usually too expensive to take someone's butt to court for piracy. That's the main reason why I agreed to discontinue Montezuma's Revenge. By the time I litigated the copyright issues with Utopia I'd be thousands of dollars in the hole. Even if I won the litigation the money spent on fighting the suit couldn't b recovered through sales from such a small minority market. There are ways however of punishing the offending parties without legal litigation.For example, if you know certain keys are being used by pirates the developer can black list those keys an an updated version of the game. Another option is to use some sort of online registration system that keeps track of the number of times a certain key has been installed. If it reaches the magic number of installs it will not register the game. On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 10:25 +, Darren Harris wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Shaun, I'm not an expert on copyright law, but I know enough there is a clear line between originality and copyright infringement. By and large you can't copyright anything that is common and is not unique such as weapons like swords, guns, missile launchers, etc. Even a game as long as it contains mostly original content is protected under the fair use copyright laws. Mysteris of the Ancients was inspired by the Tomb Raider games, but is protected under the fair use laws because I never used the Tomb Raider logos and trade marks, did not use Lara Croft, or any character from the Tomb Raider games/books/movies. As a result in the eyes of the law it is an original product even though it is obvious that it is inspired by Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, Rogue Angel, and other books/movies of the same genre. What can be copyrighted are characters with a unique background story, a specific trade mark held by person x, unique weapons such as a light saber that is tied to a certain trade mark, and so on. So we have to be careful to use only generic or common content and not stray too far into specific copyrights and trade marks. HTH On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 06:05 +1300, shaun everiss wrote: well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Oh yeah there's certainly ways and means to do make life difficult as it were but the point I'm making is that when it comes to legal stuff quite honestly when it comes to this sort of thing, you'd get away with it quite easily with the blind gaming market. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 14 January 2010 18:59 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, Not only are copyrights an issue but the cost of litigation is usually too expensive to take someone's butt to court for piracy. That's the main reason why I agreed to discontinue Montezuma's Revenge. By the time I litigated the copyright issues with Utopia I'd be thousands of dollars in the hole. Even if I won the litigation the money spent on fighting the suit couldn't b recovered through sales from such a small minority market. There are ways however of punishing the offending parties without legal litigation.For example, if you know certain keys are being used by pirates the developer can black list those keys an an updated version of the game. Another option is to use some sort of online registration system that keeps track of the number of times a certain key has been installed. If it reaches the magic number of installs it will not register the game. On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 10:25 +, Darren Harris wrote: Technically yes but in practicality to be honest the majority of blind games out there are clones of the original so even if the developer was to take someone to court over it they probably wouldn't get far because it's not original material and they probably haven't got copy write permission anyway so it's probably never going to be an issue beyond a bit of kicking and screaming. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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So in theory you could copyright Angela Carter if I'm reading that right. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Shaun, I'm not an expert on copyright law, but I know enough there is a clear line between originality and copyright infringement. By and large you can't copyright anything that is common and is not unique such as weapons like swords, guns, missile launchers, etc. Even a game as long as it contains mostly original content is protected under the fair use copyright laws. Mysteris of the Ancients was inspired by the Tomb Raider games, but is protected under the fair use laws because I never used the Tomb Raider logos and trade marks, did not use Lara Croft, or any character from the Tomb Raider games/books/movies. As a result in the eyes of the law it is an original product even though it is obvious that it is inspired by Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, Rogue Angel, and other books/movies of the same genre. What can be copyrighted are characters with a unique background story, a specific trade mark held by person x, unique weapons such as a light saber that is tied to a certain trade mark, and so on. So we have to be careful to use only generic or common content and not stray too far into specific copyrights and trade marks. HTH On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 06:05 +1300, shaun everiss wrote: well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yup you certainly could, right now anybody could use her and Thomas couldn't really do much about it because she's anybodies as it were. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 14 January 2010 19:32 To: thomasward1...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. So in theory you could copyright Angela Carter if I'm reading that right. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Shaun, I'm not an expert on copyright law, but I know enough there is a clear line between originality and copyright infringement. By and large you can't copyright anything that is common and is not unique such as weapons like swords, guns, missile launchers, etc. Even a game as long as it contains mostly original content is protected under the fair use copyright laws. Mysteris of the Ancients was inspired by the Tomb Raider games, but is protected under the fair use laws because I never used the Tomb Raider logos and trade marks, did not use Lara Croft, or any character from the Tomb Raider games/books/movies. As a result in the eyes of the law it is an original product even though it is obvious that it is inspired by Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, Rogue Angel, and other books/movies of the same genre. What can be copyrighted are characters with a unique background story, a specific trade mark held by person x, unique weapons such as a light saber that is tied to a certain trade mark, and so on. So we have to be careful to use only generic or common content and not stray too far into specific copyrights and trade marks. HTH On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 06:05 +1300, shaun everiss wrote: well doom1 2 at least quake1, duke nukem 1 2 3 3d and maybe others all use the same keyboard layout. So they couldn't get us over that nore the weapons, there are always missile type, several guns and at least one automatic or various types. There is usually one big weapon and maybe another one. there are mines. true they are called different names but its basically the same concept. I have also seen clons and hacks of stuff. The docs will say its based off something and then give credit to the origional product and company, some things are recompiles of the same thing or different things under the same name but the origional stuff is quoted and in that respect it happens all the time. I suppose if we blatently used the lagit name weather by accident if one was already active no matter what it was then there would be a case but we have loads of leeway as long as we are not obvious about it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Charles, Well, that's a stretch. Usually the license agreement is talking about specifically altering the executable by disassembling it, modifying it, and then reassembling the hacked/cracked version. What these programs do is it looks for the specific blocks of memory where the game's values are stored and then changes them. Say it lookes for health you could then use the cheater to restore you back to 100% health by resetting the value stored at the given memory address. You are altering the game, but only what is stored in memory and not the binary itself. I'm not sure what the legality of these cheater programs are regarding the license agreement. While I personally hate these cheater programs I'm not sure I'd revoke someone's license key because of it. After all they paid for the game, and they aren't actually messing with the game itself in terms of hacking/cracking it. They are just cheating. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 22:53 -1000, Charles Rivard wrote: I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Liam, Yes, definitely, if you play as the Browns in my football game, you will always win. grin Now in the real world, that is a different story. grin BFN Jim Go! Indians! Go! Browns! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Lol. Just cheating? I find that funny the way you say that... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:44 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Charles, Well, that's a stretch. Usually the license agreement is talking about specifically altering the executable by disassembling it, modifying it, and then reassembling the hacked/cracked version. What these programs do is it looks for the specific blocks of memory where the game's values are stored and then changes them. Say it lookes for health you could then use the cheater to restore you back to 100% health by resetting the value stored at the given memory address. You are altering the game, but only what is stored in memory and not the binary itself. I'm not sure what the legality of these cheater programs are regarding the license agreement. While I personally hate these cheater programs I'm not sure I'd revoke someone's license key because of it. After all they paid for the game, and they aren't actually messing with the game itself in terms of hacking/cracking it. They are just cheating. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 22:53 -1000, Charles Rivard wrote: I totally agree. Are programs like this something that would totally go against the license agreement that gamers agree to when they buy most of the games for blind gamers. Isn't it illegal to disassemble, alter, or reengineer the software in any way? Isn't that exactly what programs such as these do? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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By the way, is there a possible way to win on the Impossible Level of AceFire? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Sadler Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:39 PM To: thomasward1...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi, I wouldn't mind knowing either. I was at my mate's house when he used a cheater program on Acefire to win the impossible difficulty. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Philip, I'd like to know how someone can design his/her games to protect from these cheating programs. I not only hate cheater programs I totally despise them with a passion. I'd love to make my games secure from these sorts of cheater programs and the people who use them. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net forum from someone who used art money, but I was just wondering if anyone on list had managed to have more luck with art money than me or are we stuck with out dated game cheater, I will probably post this to the audiogames.net forum as well. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4765 (20100112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And, there are easy solutions that a developer can use to make these programs totally unusable. I have not implemented them in my games so far since there is no score posting in them, but as soon as I add this I will also protect against these tools as it would make things totally unfair. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. good. I'm glad it doesn't work. programs like that are the bane of us developer's existance. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net forum from someone who used art money, but I was just wondering if anyone on list had managed to have more luck with art money than me or are we stuck with out dated game cheater, I will probably post this to the audiogames.net forum as well. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4765 (20100112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.137/2617 - Release Date: 01/12/10 19:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Download cheat engine, it's better. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:19 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi list. I was wondering, does anyone have any experience of using a program called art money for cheating in games? for example you could use it to give you unlimited health. basically it allows you to search the programs memory for particular values you are interested in and then change them accordingly in memory. when I have completed a game, I use a program called game cheater which does the same thing as art money, as it can be fun some times. however game cheater is quite old now and compared to the features art money offers I believe is quite limited, also it doesn't appear to have been undergoing any development for several years. I installed art money, and had a bit of a look at it with jaws and window eyes but it doesn't seem very accessible at all. I am sure some time back I saw a post on the audiogames.net forum from someone who used art money, but I was just wondering if anyone on list had managed to have more luck with art money than me or are we stuck with out dated game cheater, I will probably post this to the audiogames.net forum as well. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4765 (20100112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
I know for a fact that frustrated jd players just cheat with these apps. common examples include unlimited rockets and nukes and there even is a special file in circlelation with hotkeys for keeping the shield everlasting and so on. I happen to have it if you're interested how bad this is. you could say you're god like with that thing. - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Yeah, I can see where the programmer comes from on that standpoint, especially after the hard work put in to the game. Lol don't worry I only cheat on console games anyways. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
my main problem with online score systems. I have mentioend this before I'm sure. I've wanted to run contests and things using the score boards. because people are using game cheater, or cheater thingy, or what not. This invalidates the concept of everyone being on a fair and even playing field. On 1/13/10, Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I can see where the programmer comes from on that standpoint, especially after the hard work put in to the game. Lol don't worry I only cheat on console games anyways. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
And why the hell would anyone want to spend their time disassembling a game? Personally even I would be able to think of better things to do with my time and that's saying something! Hahahahahahaa! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Brice Mellen Sent: 13 January 2010 8:12 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Yeah, I can see where the programmer comes from on that standpoint, especially after the hard work put in to the game. Lol don't worry I only cheat on console games anyways. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Jim, Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of these cheaters either. I never add cheats to my games either, because I want the game to be challenging, replayable, and fun. When I put in a cheat in a game such as Shades of Doom I don't get any particular excitement or fun out of having endless ammo, being able to walk through walls, run faster, and all the other cheats available for the game. I guess I am not a cheater, because I found the game slightly boring with the cheats active. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 07:54 -0500, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi, Oh I love to use cheats, especially if I'm angry and playing an aggressive game. However I also do not approve of using memory hackers. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Jim, Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of these cheaters either. I never add cheats to my games either, because I want the game to be challenging, replayable, and fun. When I put in a cheat in a game such as Shades of Doom I don't get any particular excitement or fun out of having endless ammo, being able to walk through walls, run faster, and all the other cheats available for the game. I guess I am not a cheater, because I found the game slightly boring with the cheats active. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 07:54 -0500, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
I have to agree. The only time I use cheats is when I wjst want to have fun with the game. I never have used cheats to seriously win a game. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Jim, Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of these cheaters either. I never add cheats to my games either, because I want the game to be challenging, replayable, and fun. When I put in a cheat in a game such as Shades of Doom I don't get any particular excitement or fun out of having endless ammo, being able to walk through walls, run faster, and all the other cheats available for the game. I guess I am not a cheater, because I found the game slightly boring with the cheats active. On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 07:54 -0500, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
Hi Liam, My advice about on line scoring-put a limit on the score. For example, 16 number in Number Guess is understandable. But anymore then 20 is pushing it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. my main problem with online score systems. I have mentioend this before I'm sure. I've wanted to run contests and things using the score boards. because people are using game cheater, or cheater thingy, or what not. This invalidates the concept of everyone being on a fair and even playing field. On 1/13/10, Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I can see where the programmer comes from on that standpoint, especially after the hard work put in to the game. Lol don't worry I only cheat on console games anyways. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
I don't agree. what if someone's good enough to get that score? - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, My advice about on line scoring-put a limit on the score. For example, 16 number in Number Guess is understandable. But anymore then 20 is pushing it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. my main problem with online score systems. I have mentioend this before I'm sure. I've wanted to run contests and things using the score boards. because people are using game cheater, or cheater thingy, or what not. This invalidates the concept of everyone being on a fair and even playing field. On 1/13/10, Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I can see where the programmer comes from on that standpoint, especially after the hard work put in to the game. Lol don't worry I only cheat on console games anyways. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating.
If I were a game developer, I would not advertise the fact that I would be including a cheat preventative in my games. I'd go ahead and let them have at it, hoping that they spent money on the cheat program only to find that it would not work. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hello there, In prinsiple I agree with you that nothing is unhackable, but in this case there is actually a fairly bulletproof method of preventing values from being changed when they are not meant to be. Game cheater, for instance, is out of action in 10 seconds and the same goes for any other memory modifying application. In order to get around this you'd have to do some serious disassembling of the program and the moment that is done, the license agreement is void and the user will have forfitted all their rights. If the developer deliberatly adds cheat codes to a game that is one thing, but modifying the memory of the program to get advantages is just plain wrong in my mind. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Brice Mellen buu...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Sorry to say but no matter what you guys do people will always find a way to cheat, it can't be helped. But I don't think we should get on peoples cases who want to cheat, maybe they do it out of enjoyment of being immortal for a while. In my case I cheat when I have beat the game to see what else I can do, or find or whatever, sometimes a all items coe will bring up an item in your inventory you didn't even know existed and that would give you what you needed to go online look it up, or try to find it your self in the game. The only way you would be able to stop it is if you all started making mmo rpgs where you store all your characters info on a server that can't be hacked in to why do you think people can't cheat in ff or WoW, and even then I'm sure there are people that have found a way to cheat in those games as well. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. I as well will be following in Philip's footsteps to protect against this. If nothing else to annoy everyone who uses these cheater programs. On 1/13/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: I did at first, but I dropped it. now I prefer to make cheats my self - now that I program a bit as a hobby. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Liam Erven Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using a program called art money for game cheating. Hi Liam, Yeah, and what fun would it be to use total cheats to play a game? I mean I had to look up some cheats to finish some text adventure games, but using a program to change points etc in a game while you're playing it? Heck I have never even built any cheats into any of my games. I just wouldn't have any fun if I could just cheat to win or finish the game. BFN Jim Represented by the law firm of Dewy, Cheatem and How. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
