Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-13 Thread Charles Rivard
How evil!  And, what a waste of good garlic butter!
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Well it doesn't annoy me in the And for this crime you shal be hung head
downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while latest boy
band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert acupuncture
practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your quivering carcus sort
of way, - it just peeves me a bit that people don't appreciate the game.

Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Allan Thompson
LOL...I get where your coming from and your right. People sometimes don't 
really appreciate the work and effort put into those games.

al
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Well it doesn't annoy me in the And for this crime you shal be hung head 
downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while latest 
boy band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert 
acupuncture practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your quivering 
carcus sort of way, - it just peeves me a bit that people don't 
appreciate the game.


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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Munawar Bijani

Hi,
I view cheats as a way to reward a gamer for completing a game, or reaching 
to a certain challenging level. For instance, some games don't let you 
activate cheats until you have beaten it once. After you beat it, the point 
of cheats are to let you have fun--bigger bombs, invincibility to see how 
fast you can run through a level, etc. Sonic for Sega had a cheat where you 
could fly through levels. I didn't find it to be cheating--just a fun way to 
beat a game. Since most games require you to pull off a challening taks like 
press several buttons rapidly in the case of some Mortal Kombat cheats, it's 
soemthing you have worked for and thus should be able to enjoy.


True that some games introduce cheats which started out as simple flags 
allowing a developer to skip around in their game, but when it comes to 
letting the player activate that flag we make ti much more difficult than, 
say, tdv /skiplevel.

Munawar A. Bijani
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Hi Charles,

Personally as a gamer I enjoy using cheats sometimes, particularly if I've 
already beaten the game and want to abuse it a little. It's pretty much 
just to see how far you can stretch the boundries of it, if that makes any 
sense? And from a programming perspective, they're great fun.


Kind regards,
Philip Bennefall
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Subject: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?


I know that programmers and testers use cheat codes so that they can test 
certain aspects of games before they are sold or given to the public, but 
why do you, as a gamer, use them?  After all, it's cheating.  I ask this 
to see what answers I get.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Dark,
Personally, I think cheat codes should only be generated after the 
player has completed the game normally first. One reason I feel that way 
is for the fact there are those types of cheaters who never play a game 
without cheat codes, and have the audacity to say the game was too easy, 
boring, whatever. Even though the game was not intended to be played 
that way to begin with. Such types should be forced to fight for their 
cheat codes which could be offered as a type of reward for playing it 
once through normally.


dark wrote:
i personally use cheat codes more in mainstream games than in audio 
games,  and usually either to compensate for a sight problem, or 
lack of a particular feature.


I for instance use level select or skip codes in many Snes games to 
serve the function that passwords and saves serve later,  ie, 
letting me start from the same level i died on.


I've never done this in an audio game though, sinse audiogames are 
usually either pre-built with save features, or so short as to make 
them unnecessary.


In mainstream games I also sometimes use unlimited time cheats because 
it takes longer to view the screen for me, --- but again, this doesn't 
apply in audio games.


I sometimes like cheat weapon codes for novelty,  especially when 
that weapon is a weerd one which doesn't appear in the game,  
though I usually complete the game streight first, and I prefer such 
weapon codes to be given as a secret after I've completed the game 
normally like the flamethrower in pipe2.


I haven't met an audio game that I've actively desired a cheat for, 
sinse most have sufficiently balanced difficulty and saving features 
for me not to want one,  though I enjoy them as an ulockable 
reward or something to play with later on.


The only time I'd say cheats are a really bad thing, is when people 
just put in an infinite lives or energy cheat and skim right through 
from end to end, then shelve the game and never play it again. Cheat 
codes however, are good for people who are frustrated with a given 
game and when the choice is cheat or forget it,  cheating is better.


I've done that myself in both mainstream games and some interactive 
fiction titles with impossible puzles.


Just my thoughts here,  anyone is free to disagree.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Al,
Hahaha. I love your description of cheat code based play, and in many 
ways it is apt. The whole point of cheat codes is, I think, it is a way 
to get some amusement or added fun out of the game. As long as the 
person doesn't take them too seriously they can be used to create some 
fun and rather interesting games that goes above and beyond reality. You 
can think of it as a cheap thrill.
Imagine for a moment playing Tank Commander and suddenly you pull out 
this cheat code that allows you to have shields and add unlimited 
phasers to your tank. Hear all of these tanks are lobbing shells at you 
which bounce off your deflector shields you fire phaser blast after 
phaser blast into the enemy tanks vaporising them one by one. It is a 
completely ridiculous situation, very unrealistic, but it has its own 
sort of sick sense of humor. It isn't all what you would call serious 
game play, but might be amusing or of interest to some gamer out there.
For my part I can just imagine the enemies reaction to such an obvious 
cheat. Ok, we got him now. Move in for the kill. What the... Hey, 
weapons are doing no damage. We are getting our butts seriously kicked. 
Holy crap! Bang! Boom! pow!



Allan Thompson wrote:

Hi,
Cheat codes are fun, pure and simple. However, they are a diffrent 
kind of fun.
I would compare the purist method of play versus the cheat type of 
play like this.
In the first, you are playing a game of chess against an intelligent 
equal, in the second, you are playing chess against a monkey.
The first game is serious, challenges your  skills, causes you  to 
learn an improve. When you win, if you win, you feel satisfied in the 
victory.
Then there is the monkey game. You turn your pawn into a tank, and 
destroy the monkeys rooks with a photon torpedo. The monkey don't 
care, and neither do you. No seriousness, no brain drain, no putting 
way too much effort and time into what amounts to a bit of electricity 
pushing around little   bits of electronic nothingness. You 
flameThrower the monkeys queen, he don't care, he's a monkey, and you 
don't care, cause you got this awesome flameThrower and you are 
blowing those monkeys pieces to kingdom come!!

It is all fun, just diffrent.
So I like cheat codes. I don't look down on anyone who does use cheat 
codes because if they are willing to download it, or buy it, they are 
more then entitled to play the heck out of that game anyway they 
please without me judging them. They aren't worse players or people 
for it, they aren't better, just diffrent.
That is the crux. Cheat codes are not an insight into a persons moral 
quality or life attitude. It is just a game, they are just getting 
some enjoyment until they have to go back to life, and the world keeps 
spinning.
Besides...I like monkeys. People get all upset when you use a 
flameThrower on their chess pieces, grin.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread peter Mahach
that'd be interesting to see. and how about a warp drive instead of the 
engine... lol.
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Hi Al,
Hahaha. I love your description of cheat code based play, and in many ways 
it is apt. The whole point of cheat codes is, I think, it is a way to get 
some amusement or added fun out of the game. As long as the person doesn't 
take them too seriously they can be used to create some fun and rather 
interesting games that goes above and beyond reality. You can think of it 
as a cheap thrill.
Imagine for a moment playing Tank Commander and suddenly you pull out this 
cheat code that allows you to have shields and add unlimited phasers to 
your tank. Hear all of these tanks are lobbing shells at you which bounce 
off your deflector shields you fire phaser blast after phaser blast into 
the enemy tanks vaporising them one by one. It is a completely ridiculous 
situation, very unrealistic, but it has its own sort of sick sense of 
humor. It isn't all what you would call serious game play, but might be 
amusing or of interest to some gamer out there.
For my part I can just imagine the enemies reaction to such an obvious 
cheat. Ok, we got him now. Move in for the kill. What the... Hey, weapons 
are doing no damage. We are getting our butts seriously kicked. Holy 
crap! Bang! Boom! pow!



Allan Thompson wrote:

Hi,
Cheat codes are fun, pure and simple. However, they are a diffrent kind 
of fun.
I would compare the purist method of play versus the cheat type of 
play like this.
In the first, you are playing a game of chess against an intelligent 
equal, in the second, you are playing chess against a monkey.
The first game is serious, challenges your  skills, causes you  to learn 
an improve. When you win, if you win, you feel satisfied in the victory.
Then there is the monkey game. You turn your pawn into a tank, and 
destroy the monkeys rooks with a photon torpedo. The monkey don't care, 
and neither do you. No seriousness, no brain drain, no putting way too 
much effort and time into what amounts to a bit of electricity pushing 
around little   bits of electronic nothingness. You flameThrower the 
monkeys queen, he don't care, he's a monkey, and you don't care, cause 
you got this awesome flameThrower and you are blowing those monkeys 
pieces to kingdom come!!

It is all fun, just diffrent.
So I like cheat codes. I don't look down on anyone who does use cheat 
codes because if they are willing to download it, or buy it, they are 
more then entitled to play the heck out of that game anyway they please 
without me judging them. They aren't worse players or people for it, they 
aren't better, just diffrent.
That is the crux. Cheat codes are not an insight into a persons moral 
quality or life attitude. It is just a game, they are just getting some 
enjoyment until they have to go back to life, and the world keeps 
spinning.
Besides...I like monkeys. People get all upset when you use a 
flameThrower on their chess pieces, grin.

al



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Dark,
That's actually the reason I don't offer cheat codes in my games. I want 
people to appreciate my games as they are intended to be played. I 
generally take my game play seriously so see no need to add special 
hints and cheats into the games.
I do, however, recognise the type of humor factor Al and others are 
talking about where cheat codes give you extra powers, weapons, that 
gives you a godlike advantage in a game such as Al's concept of whipping 
out a flame thrower in a chess game and rosting a few enemy chess 
pieces. It is funny, but the kind of humor that gets old real fast. It 
loses its charm after you play a couple of games like that. It is 
nothing more and nothing less than a cheap thrill.



dark wrote:
Well it doesn't annoy me in the And for this crime you shal be hung 
head downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while 
latest boy band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert 
acupuncture practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your 
quivering carcus sort of way, - it just peeves me a bit that 
people don't appreciate the game.


Beware the grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Scott,

You wrote:
Tom: Dark Forces and Jedi Knight were both killer games! I also used
to use the invincibility cheats to quell rage, on particularly grim
days I might've done the same thing during the one on one duals in
Jedi Knight just for the luxury of it lol.

My response:
Yeah, they were really cool games. Jedi Knight was especially fun, 
because you weren't restricted to being a good guy. There were several 
points in the story line where Kyle Katern could turn to the dark side 
and pick up some extra dark side force powers such as force lightning. I 
obviously got a cheap thrill, especially when angry, out of frying 
enemies with force lightning. The cheatcodes made it that much more 
interesting as you could walk through storm troopers, probe droids, 
darkJedi, etc without taking ascratch. You were in effect a god with 
Jedi powers.
Jedi Knight II wasn't as flexable in terms of picking sides and so on. 
After level 3 Mara Jade was the main character of Jedi Knight II, and 
despite her Syth origins Lucas Arts made Mara strictly a straight Jedi 
where Kyle Katern turns to the dark side and must be defeated by Mara 
Jade in the Syth temple at the end of the game. Although, the evil Mara 
Clone on level 11 was pretty cool.



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Allan Thompson

LOL...Tom, you just reminded me of something hilarious.
I hope you have seen Star Trek: The wrath of Khan. If you had, do you 
remember when Khan first encountered Kirk's ship? Khan got some good shots 
in and crippled the enterprise, and then when Kirk surrendered, Khan offered 
freedom for his ship and crew if Kirk transmitted him all the information 
about the genesis project.
So what does Kirk do? He has Spock read him some numbers, he inputs them in 
and transmits. These numbers cause Khan's ship to drop all shields and Kirk 
opens fire. I can't believe I am going to say  this, but Captain James T 
Kirk uses Cheat Codes!! cheezy grin.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Bryan Peterson

Exactly. People like that set my teeth on edge.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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Hi Dark,
Personally, I think cheat codes should only be generated after the player 
has completed the game normally first. One reason I feel that way is for 
the fact there are those types of cheaters who never play a game without 
cheat codes, and have the audacity to say the game was too easy, boring, 
whatever. Even though the game was not intended to be played that way to 
begin with. Such types should be forced to fight for their cheat codes 
which could be offered as a type of reward for playing it once through 
normally.


dark wrote:
i personally use cheat codes more in mainstream games than in audio 
games,  and usually either to compensate for a sight problem, or lack 
of a particular feature.


I for instance use level select or skip codes in many Snes games to serve 
the function that passwords and saves serve later,  ie, letting me 
start from the same level i died on.


I've never done this in an audio game though, sinse audiogames are 
usually either pre-built with save features, or so short as to make them 
unnecessary.


In mainstream games I also sometimes use unlimited time cheats because it 
takes longer to view the screen for me, --- but again, this doesn't apply 
in audio games.


I sometimes like cheat weapon codes for novelty,  especially when 
that weapon is a weerd one which doesn't appear in the game,  
though I usually complete the game streight first, and I prefer such 
weapon codes to be given as a secret after I've completed the game 
normally like the flamethrower in pipe2.


I haven't met an audio game that I've actively desired a cheat for, sinse 
most have sufficiently balanced difficulty and saving features for me not 
to want one,  though I enjoy them as an ulockable reward or something 
to play with later on.


The only time I'd say cheats are a really bad thing, is when people just 
put in an infinite lives or energy cheat and skim right through from end 
to end, then shelve the game and never play it again. Cheat codes 
however, are good for people who are frustrated with a given game and 
when the choice is cheat or forget it,  cheating is better.


I've done that myself in both mainstream games and some interactive 
fiction titles with impossible puzles.


Just my thoughts here,  anyone is free to disagree.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Al,
Are you kidding? I'm a Star Trek gooru, and I've watched, read, and 
consumed just about everything and anything dealing with Star Trek. In 
answer to your question yes I've watched Wrath ofKhan many times. Grin
Anyway, that scene is typical Kirk. He always cheats one way or another. 
Then again Khan steeling the Reliant, using it against the Enterprise, 
wasn't exactly fair gamesmanship was it?

Khan said it best himself. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Allan Thompson wrote:

LOL...Tom, you just reminded me of something hilarious.
I hope you have seen Star Trek: The wrath of Khan. If you had, do you 
remember when Khan first encountered Kirk's ship? Khan got some good 
shots in and crippled the enterprise, and then when Kirk surrendered, 
Khan offered freedom for his ship and crew if Kirk transmitted him all 
the information about the genesis project.
So what does Kirk do? He has Spock read him some numbers, he inputs 
them in and transmits. These numbers cause Khan's ship to drop all 
shields and Kirk opens fire. I can't believe I am going to say  this, 
but Captain James T Kirk uses Cheat Codes!! cheezy grin.

al



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Allan Thompson
Hahaha...Ok, so you did watch the movie.  Still , I thought it was funny. If 
I was a klingon coming against Kirk I would be like, Forget it, he has the 
invincibility code, let's just self destruct and get this over with, grin.
That is a classic Khan line. Of course, I always thought that revenge was a 
dish best served like super hot, so that they would burn their hands and 
their tongue on it...but hey, that's just me.
pop quiz hotshot, Time is the fire in which we burn. Which Trek movie is 
that from? grin.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi,
Answer is Star Trek Generations.

Allan Thompson wrote:
Hahaha...Ok, so you did watch the movie.  Still , I thought it was 
funny. If I was a klingon coming against Kirk I would be like, Forget 
it, he has the invincibility code, let's just self destruct and get 
this over with, grin.
That is a classic Khan line. Of course, I always thought that revenge 
was a dish best served like super hot, so that they would burn their 
hands and their tongue on it...but hey, that's just me.
pop quiz hotshot, Time is the fire in which we burn. Which Trek 
movie is that from? grin.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-12 Thread Allan Thompson

I guess that was an easy one. It's my favorite line though.
al
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Hi,
Answer is Star Trek Generations.

Allan Thompson wrote:
Hahaha...Ok, so you did watch the movie.  Still , I thought it was funny. 
If I was a klingon coming against Kirk I would be like, Forget it, he 
has the invincibility code, let's just self destruct and get this over 
with, grin.
That is a classic Khan line. Of course, I always thought that revenge was 
a dish best served like super hot, so that they would burn their hands 
and their tongue on it...but hey, that's just me.
pop quiz hotshot, Time is the fire in which we burn. Which Trek movie 
is that from? grin.

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Philip Bennefall

Hi Charles,

Personally as a gamer I enjoy using cheats sometimes, particularly if I've 
already beaten the game and want to abuse it a little. It's pretty much just 
to see how far you can stretch the boundries of it, if that makes any sense? 
And from a programming perspective, they're great fun.


Kind regards,
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I know that programmers and testers use cheat codes so that they can test 
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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Hayden Presley
Exactly, and you can really have fun if you don't intend to actualll post
your scores are anything; I hardly use them myself, though.
Hayden

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Hi Charles,

Personally as a gamer I enjoy using cheats sometimes, particularly if I've 
already beaten the game and want to abuse it a little. It's pretty much just

to see how far you can stretch the boundries of it, if that makes any sense?

And from a programming perspective, they're great fun.

Kind regards,
Philip Bennefall
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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread dark
i personally use cheat codes more in mainstream games than in audio 
games,  and usually either to compensate for a sight problem, or lack of 
a particular feature.


I for instance use level select or skip codes in many Snes games to serve 
the function that passwords and saves serve later,  ie, letting me start 
from the same level i died on.


I've never done this in an audio game though, sinse audiogames are usually 
either pre-built with save features, or so short as to make them 
unnecessary.


In mainstream games I also sometimes use unlimited time cheats because it 
takes longer to view the screen for me, --- but again, this doesn't apply in 
audio games.


I sometimes like cheat weapon codes for novelty,  especially when that 
weapon is a weerd one which doesn't appear in the game,  though I 
usually complete the game streight first, and I prefer such weapon codes to 
be given as a secret after I've completed the game normally like the 
flamethrower in pipe2.


I haven't met an audio game that I've actively desired a cheat for, sinse 
most have sufficiently balanced difficulty and saving features for me not to 
want one,  though I enjoy them as an ulockable reward or something to 
play with later on.


The only time I'd say cheats are a really bad thing, is when people just put 
in an infinite lives or energy cheat and skim right through from end to end, 
then shelve the game and never play it again. Cheat codes however, are good 
for people who are frustrated with a given game and when the choice is cheat 
or forget it,  cheating is better.


I've done that myself in both mainstream games and some interactive fiction 
titles with impossible puzles.


Just my thoughts here,  anyone is free to disagree.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Yohandy
they exist to have fun I guess. I use cheatcodes only when I've beaten a 
game every possible way. then if I'm bored I just use them to have some fun 
and when there's nothing better to do.



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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Allan Thompson

Hi,
Cheat codes are fun, pure and simple. However, they are a diffrent kind of 
fun.
I would compare the purist method of play versus the cheat type of play 
like this.
In the first, you are playing a game of chess against an intelligent equal, 
in the second, you are playing chess against a monkey.
The first game is serious, challenges your  skills, causes you  to learn an 
improve. When you win, if you win, you feel satisfied in the victory.
Then there is the monkey game. You turn your pawn into a tank, and destroy 
the monkeys rooks with a photon torpedo. The monkey don't care, and neither 
do you. No seriousness, no brain drain, no putting way too much effort and 
time into what amounts to a bit of electricity pushing around little   bits 
of electronic nothingness. You flameThrower the monkeys queen, he don't 
care, he's a monkey, and you don't care, cause you got this awesome 
flameThrower and you are blowing those monkeys pieces to kingdom come!!

It is all fun, just diffrent.
So I like cheat codes. I don't look down on anyone who does use cheat codes 
because if they are willing to download it, or buy it, they are more then 
entitled to play the heck out of that game anyway they please without me 
judging them. They aren't worse players or people for it, they aren't 
better, just diffrent.
That is the crux. Cheat codes are not an insight into a persons moral 
quality or life attitude. It is just a game, they are just getting some 
enjoyment until they have to go back to life, and the world keeps spinning.
Besides...I like monkeys. People get all upset when you use a flameThrower 
on their chess pieces, grin.
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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread dark
Lol! al,  but don't call him a monkey or you'll be liable to have your 
bishops thrust up your nose!


Seriously I agree, however the one use of cheat codes I'm not keen on is 
when people play a game for a few hours, decide they don't like it, cheat 
it,  then never play it again because they've seen it.


I saw that atitude on several occasions back in the old Amigar days when 
cracked disks with in put cheat menues on games were a common thing.


Personally, I did mostly always play with cheats back then,  even 
infinite lives or energy (I was only eight), but in my defense, I did always 
replay games a lot just for the exploration factor and the fun.


Beware the grue!

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To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list 
gamers@audyssey.org

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?



Hi,
Cheat codes are fun, pure and simple. However, they are a diffrent kind of 
fun.
I would compare the purist method of play versus the cheat type of 
play like this.
In the first, you are playing a game of chess against an intelligent 
equal, in the second, you are playing chess against a monkey.
The first game is serious, challenges your  skills, causes you  to learn 
an improve. When you win, if you win, you feel satisfied in the victory.
Then there is the monkey game. You turn your pawn into a tank, and destroy 
the monkeys rooks with a photon torpedo. The monkey don't care, and 
neither do you. No seriousness, no brain drain, no putting way too much 
effort and time into what amounts to a bit of electricity pushing around 
little   bits of electronic nothingness. You flameThrower the monkeys 
queen, he don't care, he's a monkey, and you don't care, cause you got 
this awesome flameThrower and you are blowing those monkeys pieces to 
kingdom come!!

It is all fun, just diffrent.
So I like cheat codes. I don't look down on anyone who does use cheat 
codes because if they are willing to download it, or buy it, they are more 
then entitled to play the heck out of that game anyway they please without 
me judging them. They aren't worse players or people for it, they aren't 
better, just diffrent.
That is the crux. Cheat codes are not an insight into a persons moral 
quality or life attitude. It is just a game, they are just getting some 
enjoyment until they have to go back to life, and the world keeps 
spinning.
Besides...I like monkeys. People get all upset when you use a flameThrower 
on their chess pieces, grin.

al


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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Allan Thompson
Yeah, I hear you. Some people do that, but really, it doesn't bother me. 
It's their time to use or abuse as they wish.
What would miff me is if there was money on the table, and they cheated you 
out of it, let's say for a contest or tournament. Other then that, I just 
let monkeys lie, grin. - Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?


Lol! al,  but don't call him a monkey or you'll be liable to have your 
bishops thrust up your nose!


Seriously I agree, however the one use of cheat codes I'm not keen on is 
when people play a game for a few hours, decide they don't like it, cheat 
it,  then never play it again because they've seen it.


I saw that atitude on several occasions back in the old Amigar days when 
cracked disks with in put cheat menues on games were a common thing.


Personally, I did mostly always play with cheats back then,  even 
infinite lives or energy (I was only eight), but in my defense, I did 
always replay games a lot just for the exploration factor and the fun.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list 
gamers@audyssey.org

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?



Hi,
Cheat codes are fun, pure and simple. However, they are a diffrent kind 
of fun.
I would compare the purist method of play versus the cheat type of 
play like this.
In the first, you are playing a game of chess against an intelligent 
equal, in the second, you are playing chess against a monkey.
The first game is serious, challenges your  skills, causes you  to learn 
an improve. When you win, if you win, you feel satisfied in the victory.
Then there is the monkey game. You turn your pawn into a tank, and 
destroy the monkeys rooks with a photon torpedo. The monkey don't care, 
and neither do you. No seriousness, no brain drain, no putting way too 
much effort and time into what amounts to a bit of electricity pushing 
around little   bits of electronic nothingness. You flameThrower the 
monkeys queen, he don't care, he's a monkey, and you don't care, cause 
you got this awesome flameThrower and you are blowing those monkeys 
pieces to kingdom come!!

It is all fun, just diffrent.
So I like cheat codes. I don't look down on anyone who does use cheat 
codes because if they are willing to download it, or buy it, they are 
more then entitled to play the heck out of that game anyway they please 
without me judging them. They aren't worse players or people for it, they 
aren't better, just diffrent.
That is the crux. Cheat codes are not an insight into a persons moral 
quality or life attitude. It is just a game, they are just getting some 
enjoyment until they have to go back to life, and the world keeps 
spinning.
Besides...I like monkeys. People get all upset when you use a 
flameThrower on their chess pieces, grin.

al


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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Charles,
That's a good question. As most people know I don't use cheat codes for 
serious gaming, but I sometimes do if the mood strikes. I am most often 
likely to use a cheat code or codes when I'm in a really bad mood. Like 
if I just want to get into a game and go on a blind rampage blowing up 
everyone and everything in site. Many games have an invincibility cheat 
so you can do anything in the game and not lose health or get damaged by 
it. That basically gives the player godlike powers and abilitys. Here is 
a case in point.
Back before I lost my sight I use to play a game called Star Wars Dark 
Forces. It is basically about a former Imperial officer who has joined 
the Rebbel Alliance, and ends up carrying out several missions. As the 
plot unfolds you discover the Empire is creating a new type of storm 
trooper called the dark troopers. When playing the game normally the 
dark troopers are serious foes to kill. However, if you use the 
invincibility cheat it was sort of funny marching right through the 
heart of the Imperial base blowing up everyone and everything in site. 
When the dark troopers would attack you could fight an entire army of 
them, not take damage, and pretty much take your time killing each one 
of them very very slowly. Basically, you were like a god doing what you 
pleased when you pleased, and the Empire's crack comandos couldn't touch 
you. It was especially funny dropping a thermal detonator, and sitting 
right on it when it exploded. All of the troopers would blow up, Kyle 
would yell, but he was still there undamaged while everything else in 
the room is blown to pieces. Basically, I did it for kicks, but I never 
took the game seriously as I did it though.




Charles Rivard wrote:

I know that programmers and testers use cheat codes so that they can test 
certain aspects of games before they are sold or given to the public, but why 
do you, as a gamer, use them?  After all, it's cheating.  I ask this to see 
what answers I get.
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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread dark
Well it doesn't annoy me in the And for this crime you shal be hung head 
downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while latest boy 
band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert acupuncture 
practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your quivering carcus sort 
of way, - it just peeves me a bit that people don't appreciate the game.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread Scott Chesworth
Dark: Well I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I hope I
never annoy you in the And for this crime you shal be hung head
downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while
latest boy band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert
acupuncture practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your
quivering carcus sort of way. If someone does soon though, hold that
thought, rumour has it SO Solid Crew are reforming, you surely won't
find much worse music to pump their ears with than that.

Tom: Dark Forces and Jedi Knight were both killer games! I also used
to use the invinsibility cheats to quell rage, on particularly grim
days I might've done the same thing during the one on one duals in
Jedi Knight just for the luxury of it lol.

I confess, I've never used a cheat in an audio game yet. This is
mainly due to a lack of knowledge. where can I find such things?

On 11/12/09, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Well it doesn't annoy me in the And for this crime you shal be hung head
 downwards by the toes in a vat of extremely garlic butter, while latest boy
 band music is pumped eternally into your ears, and inexpert acupuncture
 practitioners practice all their vile arts upon your quivering carcus sort
 of way, - it just peeves me a bit that people don't appreciate the game.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] why do cheat codes exist?

2009-11-11 Thread dark
www.audiogames.net has some,  though it's worth noting that when most 
audiogames have cheats, their specific to the copy of the game,  so 
can't really be repeated.


Many audiogames also don't have cheats at all.

Oh, and I hope that makes clear what happens to people who do! annoy 
me,  and serve them right!


guahahaha!

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