Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .pyc files
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:20:26AM -0800, Bernard Li wrote: Anybody else have comments on this? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python Carlo - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
[Ganglia-developers] lightweight alert tool/ enhancement
Hi all, Is it possible to get an email notification on some event like cpu load spike beyond certain threshold or low disk space. I know there's already Nagios that might do it, but it's a bit of an overhead for me. Maybe there's some event-based framework that could be a good complement to gmetad, so that it has aspects (pre/post conditions etc). Thanks, Khaz Sapenov RD, Enomaly Labs - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] lightweight alert tool/ enhancement
Bernard Li wrote: I believe Jason Smith from BNL has done some related work which he might want to share :-) IMHO, Nagios is more suited for these kind of alert/notification, however, it might be a bit of an overhead for some folks to install. My thought is that it wouldn't be such a bad idea for Ganglia to provide some very simple alert (RSS based, email, etc.). What do the community think? I would say no. There are a number of projects out there for monitoring and alerting aside from Nagios e.g. Mon ( http://mon.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Download). Even though adding this functionality seems like an easy task this could easily suck up all your time. There are many things that are a lot more close to core Ganglia. I can provide a simple PHP script that I use with Nagios that can be easily retrofitted to send out alerts. Vladimir - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .pyc files
Hi Brad: On 11/9/07, Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python If it's okay with you, I will follow the instructions in the wiki docs to add the .pyc files to the RPM. Cheers, Bernard - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .pyc files
On 11/9/2007 at 2:29 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brad: On 11/9/07, Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python If it's okay with you, I will follow the instructions in the wiki docs to add the .pyc files to the RPM. Cheers, Bernard I'm still a little concerned about doing that because I'm not sure that it solves any real problem. I would rather just clean up the python directory completely rather than deliver .pyc files. In a standard case, the .py files from one package might be put down in the same location as another package's .py files. In this case if the first package has to uninstall, it would obviously have to know which .pyc files it owns. In our case, we own the directory where the .py and .pyc files are located. I think it would be easier and safer to just remove the directory. But do whatever you believe is best. Brad - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .pyc files
On 2007-11-09 14:55:16 -0700, Brad Nicholes wrote: On 11/9/2007 at 2:29 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brad: On 11/9/07, Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python If it's okay with you, I will follow the instructions in the wiki docs to add the .pyc files to the RPM. Cheers, Bernard I'm still a little concerned about doing that because I'm not sure that it solves any real problem. I would rather just clean up the python directory completely rather than deliver .pyc files. In a standard case, the .py files from one package might be put down in the same location as another package's .py files. In this case if the first package has to uninstall, it would obviously have to know which .pyc files it owns. In our case, we own the directory where the .py and .pyc files are located. I think it would be easier and safer to just remove the directory. But do whatever you believe is best. sadly rpm doesnt work this way. if the .pyc files are not in the %files list the directory will not be deleted. that means you have to track them at least as %ghost entries. given that building the .pyc files during the build is rather simple. we could just ship them in the rpms which is imho done on all distros. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .py{c,o}
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 02:55:16PM -0700, Brad Nicholes wrote: Bernard Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/9/07, Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python If it's okay with you, I will follow the instructions in the wiki docs to add the .pyc files to the RPM. and the .pyo I'm still a little concerned about doing that because I'm not sure that it solves any real problem. will solve the problem getting a selinux or any other MAC to reject the creation of the .pyc or .pyo files because there are missing from gmond's expected privileges. I would rather just clean up the python directory completely rather than deliver .pyc files. In a standard case, the .py files from one package might be put down in the same location as another package's .py files. In this case if the first package has to uninstall, it would obviously have to know which .pyc files it owns. In our case, we own the directory where the .py and .pyc files are located. I think it would be easier and safer to just remove the directory. if you don't want to package them (and go against fedora's packaging policy on that) then we should then create them at installation time through %post and remove them at uninstallation time through %preun just like the debian package is going to do if the packager follows their packaging guidelines : http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-bytecompilation But do whatever you believe is best. as I mentioned before there is no best, and it is a packager decision to go with either of the conflicting alternatives; as far as they are implemented correctly. Carlo - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
Re: [Ganglia-developers] [Ganglia-general] python modules .py{c,o}
Hi Carlo: On 11/9/07, Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's okay with you, I will follow the instructions in the wiki docs to add the .pyc files to the RPM. and the .pyo I don't see much benefit to include .pyo files -- the main reason why I brought up the whole .pyc issue was because they are generated during run time -- .pyo files are not and basically is a version that has docstrings stripped out. From the manual: http://docs.python.org/tut/node8.html#SECTION00812 Passing two -O flags to the Python interpreter (-OO) will cause the bytecode compiler to perform optimizations that could in some rare cases result in malfunctioning programs. Currently only __doc__ strings are removed from the bytecode, resulting in more compact .pyo files. Since some programs may rely on having these available, you should only use this option if you know what you're doing. But do whatever you believe is best. as I mentioned before there is no best, and it is a packager decision to go with either of the conflicting alternatives; as far as they are implemented correctly. As packaging documentations from both Fedora and SUSE mention that they should be included, I have decided to include the .pyc files. I hope that Brad is okay with this :-) Cheers, Bernard - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Ganglia-developers mailing list Ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ganglia-developers
