Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Adriaan van Os
Steven Bosscher wrote: Ed Smith-Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, FWIW, I would like to add my support for creating a branch for gpc with the eventual goal of integrating Pascal into mainline. While I agree with most of the the points you make, the issue is not whether GCC should

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Paolo Bonzini
The fact is, that the GNU Pascal crew did not want integration with gcc the last time this was discussed. GCC, the project, can not just suck in every front end out there if the maintainers of that front end do not want that. Apparently, the GNU Pascal crew did not want integration with every

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Andrew Haley
Adriaan van Os writes: Steven Bosscher wrote: Ed Smith-Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, FWIW, I would like to add my support for creating a branch for gpc with the eventual goal of integrating Pascal into mainline. While I agree with most of the the points you

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Perry Smith
I hope I am viewed as an impartial but interested third party. I would really like to see this happen. I did not know about gpc until a few weeks ago when I did a google search. I may be mistaken but I think the TeX community would be very interested in a GNU based Pascal. I am aware

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Steven Bosscher wrote: The fact is, that the GNU Pascal crew did not want integration with gcc the last time this was discussed. GCC, the project, can not just suck in every front end out there if the maintainers of that front end do not want that. Not did not want integration. At leat I

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Richard Guenther
On 4/3/06, Waldek Hebisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Bosscher wrote: The fact is, that the GNU Pascal crew did not want integration with gcc the last time this was discussed. GCC, the project, can not just suck in every front end out there if the maintainers of that front end do not

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Geert Bosch
On Apr 3, 2006, at 09:34, Waldek Hebisch wrote: 2) Adjusting gpc development model. In particular, gpc uses rather short feedback loop: new features are released (as alphas) when they are ready. This is possible because gpc uses stable backend, so that users are exposed only to

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Mike Stump
On Apr 1, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Ed Smith-Rowland wrote: 3. GPC would get much wider exposure. It would probably eventually ship along with the rest of gcc in OS distributions including *ahem* MacOSX. The GNU project doesn't set what is or becomes product for Apple. Or, put another way,

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Mike Stump
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:34 AM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: 2) Adjusting gpc development model. In particular, gpc uses rather short feedback loop: new features are released (as alphas) when they are ready. This is possible because gpc uses stable backend, so that users are exposed only to

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-03 Thread Mike Stump
On Apr 2, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Steven Bosscher wrote: The fact is, that the GNU Pascal crew did not want integration with gcc the last time this was discussed. GCC, the project, can not just suck in every front end out there if the maintainers of that front end do not want that. Actually, it can

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-02 Thread Steven Bosscher
On 4/1/06, Ed Smith-Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, FWIW, I would like to add my support for creating a branch for gpc with the eventual goal of integrating Pascal into mainline. While I agree with most of the the points you make, the issue is not whether GCC should allow a gpc-branch

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-01 Thread Ed Smith-Rowland
All, FWIW, I would like to add my support for creating a branch for gpc with the eventual goal of integrating Pascal into mainline. I would bootstrap and test this branch, report bugs and do my best to help with solutions although I'm new at this. I think both projects would benefit. I'll

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-04-01 Thread Adriaan van Os
Ed Smith-Rowland wrote: All, FWIW, I would like to add my support for creating a branch for gpc with the eventual goal of integrating Pascal into mainline. I would bootstrap and test this branch, report bugs and do my best to help with solutions although I'm new at this. I think both

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-31 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Adriaan van Os [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and people are responsible for fixing all front ends when they do backend changes. I don't believe that, they would just say, oh, it is broken or oh, it is not a primary language or whatever excuse. You probably don't follow GCC development enough.

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-31 Thread Steven Bosscher
On 3/30/06, Adriaan van Os [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is not regular testing. Then waht is the problem with the daily maintenance you mention? Maybe there are other ways to make life easier for the gpc folks if you would be more specific about the problems you apparently have. and

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-31 Thread Mark Mitchell
Diego Novillo wrote: On 03/30/06 03:32, Adriaan van Os wrote: Still, I would like to create a GNU Pascal branch for gcc. This will be a central place where to keep the compiler updated with I don't think this is a good idea. You are either part of the compiler or you aren't. Front ends

GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Adriaan van Os
are not always fixed. Apropos, http://gcc.gnu.org/backends.html seems to be pointing to the wrong page now. Still, I would like to create a GNU Pascal branch for gcc. This will be a central place where to keep the compiler updated with * recent gpc snapshots * patches to the front-end, posted

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Adriaan van Os
The GNU Pasal compiler http://www.gnu-pascal.de is maintained as a separate back-end project. The compiler can be built with gcc-2.8.1 up to gcc-3.4.x and preliminary support for gcc-4.0 was recently added (http://www.gnu-pascal.de/crystal/gpc/en/thread13456.html). A regular question is why

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Steven Bosscher
could help fix them, instead of forcing people to stick to older backends ;-) Still, I would like to create a GNU Pascal branch for gcc. This will be a central place where to keep the compiler updated with What would be the benefits of this for GCC? Wouldn't this just result in more bug reports

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Diego Novillo
On 03/30/06 03:32, Adriaan van Os wrote: Still, I would like to create a GNU Pascal branch for gcc. This will be a central place where to keep the compiler updated with I don't think this is a good idea. You are either part of the compiler or you aren't. Front ends that are only partially

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Adriaan van Os
. Not fixing backend-end bugs is what is actually forcing people. And even patches that do fix bugs are often not accepted. Still, I would like to create a GNU Pascal branch for gcc. This will be a central place where to keep the compiler updated with What would be the benefits

Re: GNU Pascal branch

2006-03-30 Thread Andrew Haley
Adriaan van Os writes: Steven Bosscher wrote: Adriaan van Os [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer is that simply the resources fail to maintain gpc on a daily basis on gcc mainline. It seems to me that integrating gpc would _reduce_ the burden on the gpc team, because you