Re: [Geeqie-devel] Color management strangeness

[DrSlony]

Indeed disabling two-pass rendering does suppress the flash of the 
color-unmanaged intermediate image, great! I knew of that option, but 
thought it only applied to resizing, but now I see that the label also 
mentions color correction, so its all good.

By the way, I'm using geeqie-1.3 and aside from the monitor profile 
using the wrong rendering intent, which I reported separately, color 
management does seem to work correctly. Maybe the OP's problems will go 
away if they disable two-pass rendering and use 1.3, otherwise provide 
some sample images so that we can try to reproduce.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Release 1.2.3

[DrSlony]

Yay! :)

On 2016-04-12 15:34, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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> Am Di den 12. Apr 2016 um 21:07 schrieb DrSlony:
>> >> I see that version 1.2.3 has been released, but the website has not
>> >> been
>> >> updated adequately.
>> >
>> > Well, it  has. But I also had the problem that firefox caching strategy
>> > is to aggressive. Just force reload.
>> 
>> It was not a caching issue, and I don't use Firefox.
>> For example, the first paragraph:
>> "Geeqie is currently (April 2016) on stable release 1.2.3, and 
>> actively
>> being developed by a number of contributors, with upcoming maintenance
>> release v1.2.3 and feature release 1.3. both expected in March 2016." 
>> So
>> 1.2.3 and 1.3 are both upcoming and expected in March... But there 
>> were
>> multiple other issues which I addressed.
> 
> Ah, that, yes, I did overlooked that. As told, web design is not my cup
> of tea. ;-)
> 
> By the way, your version is online since about 30 Minutes. :-D
> 
> Regards
>Klaus
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Release 1.2.3

[DrSlony]

Hello

>> I see that version 1.2.3 has been released, but the website has not 
>> been
>> updated adequately.
> 
> Well, it  has. But I also had the problem that firefox caching strategy
> is to aggressive. Just force reload.

It was not a caching issue, and I don't use Firefox.
For example, the first paragraph:
"Geeqie is currently (April 2016) on stable release 1.2.3, and actively 
being developed by a number of contributors, with upcoming maintenance 
release v1.2.3 and feature release 1.3. both expected in March 2016." So 
1.2.3 and 1.3 are both upcoming and expected in March... But there were 
multiple other issues which I addressed.

Kind regards
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Release 1.2.3

[DrSlony]

Hello

I see that version 1.2.3 has been released, but the website has not been 
updated adequately. I started out with the intention of only updating 
the old version number and obsolete sentences, but found further issues 
which lead to my rewriting of the whole page.


Main things that I changed:
- Reordered the sections according to what users look for most often 
when visiting a website.
- Rewrote much of the text to fix grammar, make wording and style 
consistent and merge information that was duplicated across multiple 
sections.
- Introduced some good practices into the CSS file, such as using em 
instead of px.

- Added the missing link to GitHub so that users can easily report bugs.
- Added some missing important features, such as the support for color 
management.

- Fixed inconsistent formatting style of the HTML and CSS files.

I hope you find this patch to your liking and accept it.

Kind regards
DrSlonyFrom 8321d53938c771d847224c0b65588fb58acec699 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Beep6581 
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:35:11 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Updated web.

---
 web/default.css |  33 ++--
 web/index.html  | 163 ++--
 web/tidy.conf   |   7 +++
 3 files changed, 109 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 web/tidy.conf

diff --git a/web/default.css b/web/default.css
index 5128e9d..d0dc815 100644
--- a/web/default.css
+++ b/web/default.css
@@ -1,29 +1,28 @@
-
-
 #header {
 margin: 0 0 0 0;
-text-align : center;
-width : 740px;
+text-align: center;
+width: 50em;
 border: 1px solid #8BA0FF;
 background: #d0e0ff;
-
-  }
-
+}
 
 #side {
-float : left;
-width : 150px;
-padding-left : 5px;
-  }
+float: left;
+width: 10em;
+padding: 1em;
+}
 
 #side ul {
-padding-left : 0.5em;
-margin-left : 0.5em;
+padding-left: 0;
+margin-left: 0.5em;
 }
 
 #main {
-width : 600px;
-margin-top : 20px;
-margin-left : 160px;
-  }
+width: 40em;
+margin-top: 1em;
+margin-left: 12em;
+}
 
+#main h1 {
+margin-top: 1em;
+}
diff --git a/web/index.html b/web/index.html
index a074006..d55fffd 100644
--- a/web/index.html
+++ b/web/index.html
@@ -1,83 +1,92 @@
-http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd;>
+http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd;>
 
-   
-  Geeqie Image Viewer -- Main Project Page
-  
-  
-  
-   
-   
-  
-	 Geeqie Image Viewer
-  
-  
-	 
-	Main Page
-	Tarball and GnuPG sig.
-	Git Source
-	
-	Mailinglist
-	
-	mail-archive
-	gmane.org
-	 
-  
-   Geeqie is a lightweight image viewer for Linux, BSDs and "compatibles".
-	 Geeqie Project Status
-	 Geeqie is currently (April 2016) on stable release 1.2.3,
-	 and actively being developed by a number of contributors,
-	 with upcoming maintenance release v1.2.3 and feature release 1.3.
-	 both expected in March 2016.
-	 
-	 However, there is a big mess with the old project pages at SF.
-	 Even though we still use their mailing list infrastructure for now,
-	 the canonical Geeqie project information, Geeqie help and
-	 documentation, relevant links and other things of interest for
-	 Geeqie users, contributors and developers is, or will be, here.
-	 Main features
-	 
-	EXIF,
-	   IPTC
-	   and XMP
-	   metadata browsing and editing
-	interoperability, easy integration with other software
-	geeqie works on files and directories, there is no need to import images
-	fast preview for many raw image formats
-	tools for image comparison, sorting and managing photo collection
-	 
+
+
+Geeqie Image Viewer -- Main Project Page
+
+
+
+
+
+
+Geeqie Image Viewer
+
+
+
+Main Page
+Source Code
+
+Tarball,
+GnuPG signature
+Git
+
+
+GitHub (Bugs)
+Mailing Lists
+
+Subscribe
+Archive - SF
+Archive - Gmane
+
+
+
+
+
+
+Geeqie is a lightweight image viewer for Linux, BSDs and compatibles.
+The latest version is 1.2.3 released on 2016-04-12.
 
-	 Want to contribute?
+Main Features
+
+Lightweight and fast.
+Exif, IPTC and
+XMP metadata browsing and editing.
+Color management.
+Interoperability and easy integration with other software.
+Geeqie works on files and directories, there is no need to import images.
+Fast preview for many raw image formats.
+Tools for comparing images and sorting and managing photo collections.
+
 
-	 
-	 We are looking for translators and documentation writers.
-	 Obviously this project page could do with some fancy webdesign,

Re: [Geeqie-devel] Project status

[DrSlony]

Hello

I waited a few days to see what "bounces back" and I'm pleased to see 
that you're friendly folk, that makes me want to help more.

The situations seems to be:

1. Geeqie is very much alive. That is great to hear, and a surprise to 
many, because that is not the impression one gets from visiting the 
http://www.geeqie.org/ (before it was updated yesterday).

2. You prefer to spend time fixing bugs and implementing new features 
than working on the website. That's also great, but the website is 
important, it's your business card, and it needs to shine. People can't 
be expected to dig through mind-bogglingly boring links, subscribe to 
mailing lists or to have to clone the source just to find whether things 
are moving forward and what the contact details to the developers are.

3. You don't use SourceForge because its evil, great. Then we need 
distance Geeqie from SF as we can.

4. You seem to be happy with gitweb.

I propose:
1. That Geeqie create a new identity for itself, that it ceases to 
identify itself as "Image viewer forked from GQView" because that's 
ancient history, people don't remember what GQView is, and Geeqie is 
better than GQView. It can of course be mentioned in some "about" 
section but it does not help attract people who are browsing the web 
looking for a good image viewer.

2. To help make you a new website. The idea is to keep it simple, neat 
and modern. No CMS. Static generation using modern tools. Could you 
provide some info on the server? Is it shared hosting or VPS? Do you 
have shell access? Does the hosting company speak English?

3. You lack a place where users can interact without having to sell a 
kidney (mailing lists...). Pat David recently rewrote GIMP's official 
website, and also made the pixls.us website which is like a mix between 
a tutorial place and a wiki-forum for developers and users of libre 
graphics software. I recently closed down the old RawTherapee forum and 
our users moved to Pat David's place. We share it with developers of 
other software, which is great because users are exposed to more options 
and to more wisdom from other experienced users and developers. I 
propose Geeqie agree to having your own official spot over at 
https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software That way you have the mailing list 
for developer chat, and that place for user chat. Hopefully some of you 
would visit the user place and help out with advice once in a while.

4. I do suggest you reconsider using GitHub, even though gitweb is 
working for you. Why? Because gitweb seems like a good place only for 
developers who agree to use the mailing list, but what about normal 
users who want to report a bug? I don't even know where to report a 
Geeqie bug. https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/geeqie would not be a 
bug tracker (users can occasionally report bugs there, as they do for 
RawTherapee, but that is not the right place). And you can't expect 
normal people to sign up for a mailing list. I definitely wouldn't - the 
only reason I'm here is because I like Geeqie so much I wanted to help 
make it look alive and well, and my email didn't make it to your mailing 
list the first time I sent it before signing up. I honestly can't wait 
to sign out of the mailing list - they're a thing from the 90s. If you 
use GitHub you get to retain your commit history, you get a fast and 
well-working bug tracking facility which is tightly integrated with git 
(you can even close an issue/ticket directly though a commit, by putting 
"closes #123" in the commit message), you get a wiki, and perhaps most 
importantly you become immediately exposed to hundreds of other 
developers who will then have less "resistance" to contribute a patch or 
even just a good bug report to Geeqie. We (RawTherapee) have been 
through a number of source code management services, most recently 
google-code, and GitHub is by far the best.

Kind regards
DrSlony


On 2016-03-09 16:18, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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> Am Mi den  9. Mär 2016 um 21:14 schrieb Lars Ellenberg:
>> Feel free to use it, or massage it some more.  Or not.
>>  ;-)
> 
> Thanks again. I only had to do some small massage; see [0] and [1].
> 
> Regards
>Klaus
> 
> [0]
> http://www.geeqie.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=geeqie.git;a=commitdiff;h=b333c04435380dfce208e795c4b148700d6faee3
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> http://www.geeqie.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=geeqie.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbcf4618c412e45eb3c7a9fe24fca349e9d2d583
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[Geeqie-devel] Project status

[DrSlony]

Hello

Geeqie has been my favorite image viewer for a long time, but I'm 
troubled by the status of the project.

First there is the multiple dead websites issue. There is
http://www.geeqie.org/
and there is also
http://geeqie.sourceforge.net/
These are almost identical, and both appear to be quite dead. For 
instance, the front page of both reads:
"Geeqie is currently short before releasing stable release 1.0"

Then there is the status of the project itself. The project looks dead, 
and most people think it is. When one looks for the code, one ends up at 
this very slow to load page
https://sourceforge.net/p/geeqie/git/commit_browser
The latest commit appears to be from 2011-01-14.
The SVN repo's latest commit is from 2010-05-10.
The latest download there is from 2012-08-13, it's version 1.1, which is 
peculiar because the website says that 1.0 hasn't been released yet.

But if, for some reason, one keeps digging, one might end up here
http://www.geeqie.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=geeqie.git
Clearly still alive. But it lacks any way of getting in contact with 
you. When I click on the developers, I see their commits, but not way of 
getting in touch.

And so on.

This is all very bad for users as well as for potential new developers, 
and so bad for Geeqie itself.

I run the RawTherapee project as best I can:
www.rawtherapee.com
https://github.com/Beep6581/RawTherapee
I don't know if this email will reach the right people, I really have no 
idea how to get in touch with the active developers, but if I do, I 
propose to help improve this situation.

Are you interested?

Kind regards
DrSlony

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