Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-09 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Thank you Ted. Those address my concerns. Yours, Joel On 7/9/18 9:07 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: I got a bit wound up about not making the three changes that Joel called out in the updated session signal comment, and insisted on not making the changes because they didn't seem that important.   I had

Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-09 Thread Ted Lemon
I got a bit wound up about not making the three changes that Joel called out in the updated session signal comment, and insisted on not making the changes because they didn't seem that important. I had a bit more private conversation with Joel about it, and after some reflection decided that

Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-05 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I will try to elaborate on the problems below. Joel On 7/5/18 6:28 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: The text also says that it's fine to blindly forward DSO messages if the middlebox isn't modifying the stream, e.g. in a NAT.   It really is quite clear on that point.   The case where it's bad to blindly

Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-05 Thread Ted Lemon
The text also says that it's fine to blindly forward DSO messages if the middlebox isn't modifying the stream, e.g. in a NAT. It really is quite clear on that point. The case where it's bad to blindly forward DSO messages is when there is no stream that's the same stream on both sides of the

Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-05 Thread Joel M. Halpern
In line. The general point is that the document should be clear to readers who understand the space but do not live it at the detail of those who authored it. Joel On 7/5/18 6:13 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: Joel, it's immaterial whether the DSO engine responds in time or not. If it responds in

Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-11

2018-07-05 Thread Ted Lemon
Joel, it's immaterial whether the DSO engine responds in time or not. If it responds in time, the ack and the response will be combined; if it does not, then Nagle's algorithm will ensure that the ack goes out, and the response will go out in a later packet. Either outcome is fine. There is