Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-07-02 Thread Moriel Schottlender
I understand all the reasons, but I must disagree on a couple of points*. I think it might have to do with me having a different experience with these topics, but while I do agree that there's absolutely a great advantage of having a women-only space, I also think that it is context-dependent. I

Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-07-02 Thread Pine W
Valerie's interesting comments are in line with one of the reasons I've stayed off of this list in the past. I am ok with women having a space without men around, just like I feel men should be able to have a space without women around. I'm familiar with a workplace where at least one employee loun

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Pine W
(: Yes, I think Keilana is a good apple. I think anyone who's been around Wikipedia long enough will encounter a genuine emergency sooner or later, although in my experience there are many more fake or over-hyped "emergencies" than real emergencies. In my IEGCom capacity, I can say I would be hap

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Kevin Gorman
Unfortunately sites like AVfM and its ilk are something that we really do have limited ability to directly address on Wikipedia, even though it's something that has a direct effect on the retention of our editors. I've made AVfM and similar sites way more times than I would like to remember, as ha

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Marie Earley
I placed an ANI about the Voice for Men article and the subsequent comments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Off-wiki_comments.2C_possible_multiple_policy_infringements The result being: > "We cannot take action for off-Wiki discussions like this. However, an > "announcement" on WP:A

Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-07-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
Thanks for excellent comments below. Let's keep them in mind. Even some of us "tough chicks" still can get sucked into the "helper" role even if it's against our own interests... sigh... On 7/2/2014 6:33 PM, Valerie Aurora wrote: Hi Phoebe, Thanks for your thoughtful and carefully explai

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
Re: the below, yes, i was blocked in a situation I thought was biased compared to other blocks I've seen. (I didn't mention that originally it was a six month block but the community of mostly guys thought that was grossly unfair and it was reduced to two weeks.) However, in general wikipedia

Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-07-02 Thread Valerie Aurora
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:15 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Valerie Aurora > wrote: >> >> Hi Derric, >> >> This list is not for the purpose of improving people's communication >> skills. If you would like to help women in Wikimedia projects and you >> know that y

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Emily Monroe
Oh. Oh my. You mean that there's a name besides "Emily" that people share? ;-) Back to your normal programming. From, Emily On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Marie Earley wrote: > > Gosh, I did make a pig's ear out of it didn't I. I didn't