Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-13 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* ChaoticFluffy wrote: >Hi Björn, thanks for a very thoughtful email. I just want to point out that >the problematic comment the user made was not calling another user a woman. If you think we would be better off if the comment had not been made in the manner it has been made, I think we should lo

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-13 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM, ChaoticFluffy wrote: > > Invalidating someone's life experiences or gender identity is offensive. > I'm very sorry that so few people seem to realize the damage that words like > that can do, and I'm even sorrier than so many people seem to think that I'm > a te

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
BaseballBugs has a problematic history at the reference desk. This isn't the first time he's made sexist comments there.[1] Unfortunately, none of this context was brought up in the discussion about the block. The unblock was a knee-jerk reaction from a superficial evaluation. Arguably, the blo

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist

2011-10-13 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
What's more important than the content of what Baseball Bugs said, to me, was the underlying assumption; that there couldn't possibly be any women around who might be offended. I'd venture that most people would hesitate to recount a particularly hilarious episode of South Park featuring the chara

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-13 Thread Sarah Stierch
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, ChaoticFluffy wrote: > another user a woman. It was that, when told they WERE a woman, the user > said that "THAT clarifies it" and then, when told that that was a bit > snarky, clarified that what he meant was "they can't be a woman, women don't > act like that."

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-13 Thread ChaoticFluffy
Hi Björn, thanks for a very thoughtful email. I just want to point out that the problematic comment the user made was not calling another user a woman. It was that, when told they WERE a woman, the user said that "THAT clarifies it" and then, when told that that was a bit snarky, clarified that wha

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Sarah Stierch wrote: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_for_Baseball_Bugs User Medeis does not identify as female in any easily recognizable way. It is difficult to avoid gender in the english language without running into other problems

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Sarah Stierch
I never said that I agreed or disagreed with the block. I was merely expressing that some of the comments made in regards to the comment the blocked user made were interesting. A nice selection of people didn't see anything sexist about the comment, or the potential to find anything sexist within i

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Fred Bauder
> Is there any way to criticize a any action justified with "sexism" > without adding to the persecution complex here? Honest question. > > Blocking a user for comments made a week prior falls a mile out of > standard process. Blocking a user who tries to explain himself without > begging for mercy

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread icewedge
Is there any way to criticize a any action justified with "sexism" without adding to the persecution complex here? Honest question. Blocking a user for comments made a week prior falls a mile out of standard process. Blocking a user who tries to explain himself without begging for mercy falls a mi

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Fred Bauder
You are right, of course, what we do is bad enough, without having to answer for the expectations of what our gender is expected to do. Fred > Thanks for posting this, Sarah. I was hesitant to link to it while it was > an > active thread. My basic feeling in this case was that the user's comments

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Fred Bauder
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_for_Baseball_Bugs > > The first "unblock" statement shares the link to the joke and the > reprimand > by an admin on the users page telling them they can get blocked for > ongoing > comments like that. Flu

Re: [Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread ChaoticFluffy
Thanks for posting this, Sarah. I was hesitant to link to it while it was an active thread. My basic feeling in this case was that the user's comments weren't *particularly* terrible, and all of us who are sensitive to gender issues have probably seen way worse. A block may well have been overkill

[Gendergap] User blocked for sexist comment, many disagree - it wasn't sexist.

2011-10-12 Thread Sarah Stierch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_for_Baseball_Bugs The first "unblock" statement shares the link to the joke and the reprimand by an admin on the users page telling them they can get blocked for ongoing comments like that. Fluffernutter po