Re: [Gendergap] Conflict resolution resources for online communities?

2014-11-25 Thread Jim Hayes
i take it you are aware of arbitration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration it works where there is buy-in but there are many cases where not working, and things taken to ani and arbcom. these are broken processes. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Krystle krys...@wikihow.com

Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 46, Issue 12

2014-11-25 Thread Mary Mark Ockerbloom
Regarding the article (well done and interesting, thank you), there was a mention of the authors tracking if the target was still contributing to English Wikipedia following the threat but I didn't spot the followup in the article for any results to that Did someone else? Were actual stats

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Ryan Kaldari
If Carol Moore is banned from Wikipedia and Eric Corbett is not, I will be retiring from Wikipedia, as it will prove that the project is completely dysfunctional. Kaldari On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote: This is what is about to happen at the English

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Nathan
ArbCom is weak, and loathe to make any decision that might trigger a backlash. They are incapable of dealing with serious, long-term problems and seem able only to address minor issues that would otherwise resolve on their own. The English Wikipedia is ungoverned and ungovernable, and the norms of

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Sarah Stierch
Here, here. Carol Moore is one of the reasons I EDIT Wikipedia. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: If Carol Moore is banned from Wikipedia and Eric Corbett is not, I will be retiring from Wikipedia, as it will prove that the project is completely

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Nathan
It's really two issues - one, there was some disruption and misconduct around the Gender Gap wikiproject that really got overblown a bit and never needed to be an arbitration case to begin with. Granted that some of the participants weren't really contributing in good faith, and that there was a

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Sarah Stierch
Also, wacky question: could there ever be any legal repercussion - like the real legal system, not an internet community - that could be taken to support a person who should not be banned from a website? like carol? If you're called lots of nasty names, if men aren't being banned, etc but women

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Krystle
Thank you Nathan. there is a particular person who is an absolutely outstanding article writer, but has a longstanding habit of acting like a jerk on a regular basis. The community and the committee have repeatedly shown themselves to be incapable of finding a solution to that problem, and this

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread LB
I cannot believe the crap going on on that talk page now! Having watched this case develop over the past few weeks, I finally ventured to share my disgust with the way things ended up, and now I'm being accused of basing my opinion *completely* on gender. Another guy chimed in to say: Some people

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Risker
I'm not going to opine on the decision that's being voted upon by Arbcom; I've been there, and ultimately the decision is based on the quality and nature of the evidence that people bother to present - which often means that the decision that ultimately gets posted, because entire sides of the

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread
Thank you for this Carol. I was driven off En.wp / suffered a death of a thousand wikilawyering cuts after ridiculously blatant homophobia, outing and off wiki attacks against my personal life. Even the, now hidden from view, Arbcom case against me was allowed to bang on about fisting, clearly

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 11/26/2014 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: I have, however, entered a plea that they rename the case. The decision they're voting on now has almost nothing at all to do with the Gender Gap Task Force, and isn't really addressing any of problematic behaviours that are evident on the talk pages of

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-25 Thread Sarah Stierch
Yes, here here to Carol and LB. I commend everyone who is still fighting the power and voicing rage (calm or not) on talk pages and representing what so many of us feel. You are putting your wikilove on the line and it is not to go unnoticed or unappreciated. I'm genuinely too freaked out anymore