[Jgeneral] Report of J Wiki Meeting of September 22, 2022
Present: Art Anger, Devon McCormick, Raul Miller, Bob Therriault 1) Bob showed the work that he had done on the navigation of the add-ons that suggested a clearer distinction between user, developer and reference material. https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/JAL/User_Guide the primary work is the navigation bar which will allow a quicker access to the information. There will be further work required in order to be able to frame the information appropriately. Raul suggested that a vertical orientation that would be closer to the dropdown menu model. Art pointed out that using add-ons to install the base library does not seem appropriate for something that would usually work with add-ons. Art suggested a wrapper verb that would allow the base library to be installed by a verb with a different name. Maybe as simple as install=: 'install' 2) Art talked about his table of Essays https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Anger/Essays_Index and the fact that he had added some Advent of Code entries to the table, as they are pertinent to the essays https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Anger/AoC Bob suggested that Advent of Code might also be a category. Art wondered if people would know what AOC meant. 3) Bob welcomed input into what he would present to the J meeting on the weekend. Art asked if there were to be more verbs and adverbs added. That lead to a discussion about the way that J displayed information, but that there seemed to be a focus on threading and the new verbs involving that. 4) Bob wondered whether a pure wiki is the approach that should be used for documentation. Raul pointed out that the original wiki had some pages that were locked. Bob thought that fit with his ideas where upper levels might be more rigid and lower levels more flexible. That the wiki becomes a bit more of curated information like a library than a heap of information. Raul pointed out that many J users were pretty informed and that the locking might not be so necessary. Bob thought that the navigation structure might be locked down for most users and content pages remain open. The work in that would be in restructuring and the content that would be required to bridge. Old pages that do not fit in would be searchable but not navigable because they may not show up in the navigation. The content that Chris was looking for was ways to make it easier for people to create add-ons. Curation of the add-ons would be a challenge because of the level of understanding that is required for an accurate synopsis. 5) Bob also talked about developing other tools like Jalopy, J's version of aplcart that would support the wiki https://aplcart.info. Even Nuvoc might be split off to allow a different approach to the distribution of information. A lot of the time the information is not being changed as much as it is being pruned. Raul mentioned that we may not want to change tools if it means abandoning other tools. The concern was that a tool may require a different url and a different maintenance team to keep it active. 6) Raul suggested that people may not be repelled by hard concepts and used Rust as an example where there may be a lot of people willing to do the work to get secure code and communities develop where there is a need addressed. Bob pointed out that there is also a momentum that languages like COBOL have where they become entrenched and maintenance is now the driving force. Raul pointed out that the array languages have a strong connection to math, but that is not always a positive for the general population. There may be more interest in a language that is an aid to problem solving. 7) Bob will be travelling the next Thursday so invitations will be sent out for the September 29th meeting if he has enough internet connectivity. For access to previous meeting reports https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development If you would like to participate in the development of the J wiki please contact us on the general forum and we will get you an invitation to the next J wiki meeting held on Thursdays at 23:00 (UTC) Next meeting is September 29th, 2022. -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jgeneral] What are the keystrokes supported by JQt?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 6:11 PM Don Guinn wrote: > I suspect that I can only define function keys for the term form in > "userkeys.cfg" and no character keys. Is that the case? Probably? It's been a long time since I've messed with any of this stuff. Though I think I remember that we used to be able to define control key combinations as "function keys". -- Raul -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jgeneral] What are the keystrokes supported by JQt?
Yes, thanks, sort of. But I think that Qt handles the shift, ctrl and alt keys separately. Notice that there is only one entry for "A" in that list. No lower case "a" is in that list. Apparently when Qt gets the "A" event it has to check for the shift key to determine if it is a lower case "a" or upper case "A". Similarly for the ctrl and the alt keys. J seems to have a separate event for say - "a" by itself and "a" with shift, ctrl or alt pressed. The shift is handled internally. At least in user defined forms. Several keys like "ctrl+c" belong to Windows. Some like "ctrl+l" J handles. But others like "shift_ctrl+>" shown in the J Playground for lab advance. Can it be used in JQt? Tried it. It didn't work. But it didn't seem to work in the Playground either. And which ">" symbol is the Playground referring to? There is the greater than symbol and the move one character to the right key. Tried both in the Playground. On top of that I can interrogate the ctrl, alt and shift keys pressed with a keystroke including key up and key down, but only in user forms. Not in the term form. I suspect that I can only define function keys for the term form in "userkeys.cfg" and no character keys. Is that the case? On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 3:17 PM Raul Miller wrote: > Are you looking for '~addons/ide/qt/keys.ijs'? (Which I think would be > relevant in an isidraw control, or similar.) > > Or are you looking for > https://github.com/jsoftware/qtide/tree/master/lib/base? (Which I > think is for the session manager and editor.) > > I've not spent much time on this, but this is what I found when I went > looking for jqt keystrokes. > > -- > Raul > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:52 PM Don Guinn wrote: > > > > From reading about Qt it supports all keystrokes and combinations of > > keystrokes. But which ones are supported by JQt? > > > > I can see what keystrokes are supported in forms I create by simply > > pressing a keystroke or some combination, then examining jqt to see if it > > caused an event and what name it is. But I can't do that with the term > > form. I can put a combination in userkeys.cfg then restart J to see if it > > gives an error message. But that is quite awkward. > > > > So far I can't find any list in the J web site. > > -- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jgeneral] What are the keystrokes supported by JQt?
Are you looking for '~addons/ide/qt/keys.ijs'? (Which I think would be relevant in an isidraw control, or similar.) Or are you looking for https://github.com/jsoftware/qtide/tree/master/lib/base? (Which I think is for the session manager and editor.) I've not spent much time on this, but this is what I found when I went looking for jqt keystrokes. -- Raul On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:52 PM Don Guinn wrote: > > From reading about Qt it supports all keystrokes and combinations of > keystrokes. But which ones are supported by JQt? > > I can see what keystrokes are supported in forms I create by simply > pressing a keystroke or some combination, then examining jqt to see if it > caused an event and what name it is. But I can't do that with the term > form. I can put a combination in userkeys.cfg then restart J to see if it > gives an error message. But that is quite awkward. > > So far I can't find any list in the J web site. > -- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
[Jgeneral] What are the keystrokes supported by JQt?
From reading about Qt it supports all keystrokes and combinations of keystrokes. But which ones are supported by JQt? I can see what keystrokes are supported in forms I create by simply pressing a keystroke or some combination, then examining jqt to see if it caused an event and what name it is. But I can't do that with the term form. I can put a combination in userkeys.cfg then restart J to see if it gives an error message. But that is quite awkward. So far I can't find any list in the J web site. -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
Hi Don,
The J code search has an error in the (yellow) prototype wiki when there is a
search for a page that does not exist. The (blue) current wiki does have a
working J code search. Thank you for testing and reporting the error. As Chris
has noted, it may not be fixed in the yellow wiki until we merge the two sites,
which I would expect to be later this fall.
Cheers, bob
> On Sep 26, 2022, at 7:21 AM, bill lam wrote:
>
> Don meant the yellow wiki
>
> https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 at 7:14 AM Don Guinn wrote:
>
>> MOved to General Forum
>>
>> After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
>> from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left side
>> of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller wrote:
>>
>>> When I visit
>>>
>> https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>>> I do not get this error.
>>>
>>> (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
>>> the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
Die a search for jqt function keys
942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
Error from line 66 of
/var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
>>> Call
to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
Backtrace:
#0 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
#1
>> /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
SpecialPage->run()
#2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
#3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
MediaWiki->performRequest()
#4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548):
>> MediaWiki->main()
#5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
#6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
#7 {main}
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Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
I was trying to get a complete list of the special keys defined in the
Jqt term window.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:55 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> Yes. I clicked the yellow control and then a search control on the left.
> Will try to see if I can do it again.
>
> Okay. When I clicked the button there was a big control on the right that
> said "J Code Search". I clicked that and the search control showed up on
> the left.
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:22 AM bill lam wrote:
>
>> Don meant the yellow wiki
>>
>>
>> https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 at 7:14 AM Don Guinn wrote:
>>
>> > MOved to General Forum
>> >
>> > After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
>> > from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left
>> side
>> > of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > When I visit
>> > >
>> >
>> https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>> > > I do not get this error.
>> > >
>> > > (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
>> > > the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
>> > >
>> > > FYI,
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Raul
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Die a search for jqt function keys
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
>> > > >
>> /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>> > > > Error from line 66 of
>> > > >
>> /var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
>> > > Call
>> > > > to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
>> > > >
>> > > > Backtrace:
>> > > >
>> > > > #0
>> /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
>> > > > SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
>> > > > #1
>> > > >
>> >
>> /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
>> > > > SpecialPage->run()
>> > > > #2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
>> > > > MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
>> > > > #3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
>> > > > MediaWiki->performRequest()
>> > > > #4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548):
>> > MediaWiki->main()
>> > > > #5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
>> > > > #6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
>> > > > #7 {main}
>> > > >
>> --
>> > > > For information about J forums see
>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
>> > > --
>> > > For information about J forums see
>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
>> > >
>> > --
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>> >
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
Yes. I clicked the yellow control and then a search control on the left.
Will try to see if I can do it again.
Okay. When I clicked the button there was a big control on the right that
said "J Code Search". I clicked that and the search control showed up on
the left.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:22 AM bill lam wrote:
> Don meant the yellow wiki
>
>
> https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 at 7:14 AM Don Guinn wrote:
>
> > MOved to General Forum
> >
> > After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
> > from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left side
> > of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller
> wrote:
> >
> > > When I visit
> > >
> >
> https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > > I do not get this error.
> > >
> > > (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
> > > the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
> > >
> > > FYI,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Raul
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Die a search for jqt function keys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
> > > >
> /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > > > Error from line 66 of
> > > >
> /var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
> > > Call
> > > > to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
> > > >
> > > > Backtrace:
> > > >
> > > > #0 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
> > > > SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
> > > > #1
> > > >
> > /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
> > > > SpecialPage->run()
> > > > #2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
> > > > MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
> > > > #3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
> > > > MediaWiki->performRequest()
> > > > #4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548):
> > MediaWiki->main()
> > > > #5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
> > > > #6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
> > > > #7 {main}
> > > >
> --
> > > > For information about J forums see
> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> > > --
> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> > >
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> >
> --
> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
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Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
See www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/beta/2022-August/010622.html
Yes, we should fix this, but likely will do so when we merge and
rebuild the yellow wiki.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 7:14 AM Don Guinn wrote:
>
> MOved to General Forum
>
> After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
> from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left side
> of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller wrote:
>
> > When I visit
> > https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > I do not get this error.
> >
> > (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
> > the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > --
> > Raul
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> > >
> > > Die a search for jqt function keys
> > >
> > >
> > > 942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
> > > /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > > Error from line 66 of
> > > /var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
> > Call
> > > to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
> > >
> > > Backtrace:
> > >
> > > #0 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
> > > SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
> > > #1
> > > /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
> > > SpecialPage->run()
> > > #2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
> > > MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
> > > #3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
> > > MediaWiki->performRequest()
> > > #4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548): MediaWiki->main()
> > > #5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
> > > #6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
> > > #7 {main}
> > > --
> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> >
> --
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Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
Don meant the yellow wiki
https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 at 7:14 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> MOved to General Forum
>
> After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
> from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left side
> of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller wrote:
>
> > When I visit
> >
> https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > I do not get this error.
> >
> > (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
> > the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > --
> > Raul
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> > >
> > > Die a search for jqt function keys
> > >
> > >
> > > 942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
> > > /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > > Error from line 66 of
> > > /var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
> > Call
> > > to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
> > >
> > > Backtrace:
> > >
> > > #0 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
> > > SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
> > > #1
> > >
> /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
> > > SpecialPage->run()
> > > #2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
> > > MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
> > > #3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
> > > MediaWiki->performRequest()
> > > #4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548):
> MediaWiki->main()
> > > #5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
> > > #6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
> > > #7 {main}
> > > --
> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> >
> --
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Re: [Jgeneral] [Jbeta] Error in new wiki
MOved to General Forum
After sending this note I reran the request and it worked. But this was
from the normal search control. It failed from a control on the left side
of the screen just after entering the new wiki.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:01 AM Raul Miller wrote:
> When I visit
> https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> I do not get this error.
>
> (That said, this might be more of an issue for the general forum than
> the beta forum, since this is not a j beta issue.)
>
> FYI,
>
> --
> Raul
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Don Guinn wrote:
> >
> > Die a search for jqt function keys
> >
> >
> > 942e90ea9bb6fb0ecb882b9a]
> > /mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AJwikiSearch=hqt+function+keys
> > Error from line 66 of
> > /var/www/html/mediawiki/extensions/JwikiSearch/SpecialJwikiSearch.php:
> Call
> > to undefined method OutputPage::addWikiText()
> >
> > Backtrace:
> >
> > #0 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(600):
> > SpecialJwikiSearch->execute()
> > #1
> > /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(635):
> > SpecialPage->run()
> > #2 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(307):
> > MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
> > #3 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(945):
> > MediaWiki->performRequest()
> > #4 /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(548): MediaWiki->main()
> > #5 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
> > #6 /var/www/html/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
> > #7 {main}
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> --
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