Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Leo Simons
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: there are a few projects that gump builds that are not ASF projects and are not used by any ASF project. I'm not sure which projects this is about (or what the projects you listed are about), but I can imagine that these projects are built against the latest and

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Conor MacNeill
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Conor MacNeill wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: WTDY? The downside of this idea is that ASF projects will lose warnings about incompatible changes they make that break non-ASF projects. I said: remove non-ASF project that ASF projects don't depend upon. You are talking

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 01 November 2004 17:02, Conor MacNeill wrote: In effect, barcode4J acts as a testcase for its dependencies and you propose to remove that test. I understand the motivation, I'm not particularly concerned, but there is a potential downside, which I thought was worth noting. Very good

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 01 November 2004 17:00, Leo Simons wrote: Kaffe is very much a leaf not a dependency (I know no ASF project that can only be built using Kaffe), yet using it for experimental runs doubles the amount of cpu and disk space used. For the record, there are 8 attempts at starting a Gump

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 01 November 2004 19:29, Eric Pugh wrote: Related to this, I am starting to think about dependencies not just in a is it a good dependency to have but in a what challenges will having this dependency give me in Gump land, which isn't a great thing... Hmmm... I wonder if such thought

Re: The Kaffe instance and ant-bootstrap

2004-11-01 Thread Dalibor Topic
Dalibor Topic robilad at kaffe.org writes: I've had to solve a similart problem for bootstrapping ant with kaffe jikes in kaffe-extras module of kaffe's CVS. There I've patched ant's bootstrap scripts for that [1] but of course setting env vars is more elegant ;) And I can confirm that it

RE: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Eric Pugh
The cost of having to build each dependency in Gump drives home that I may be using some weird dependency that no else is using, and is therefore not already in Gump. However, as long as the code remains buildable, it won't be an issue. In the long run, in 5 years when some libarary I am using

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Dalibor Topic
Niclas Hedhman niclas at hedhman.org writes: On Monday 01 November 2004 17:00, Leo Simons wrote: Kaffe is very much a leaf not a dependency (I know no ASF project that can only be built using Kaffe), yet using it for experimental runs doubles the amount of cpu and disk space used.

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Conor MacNeill wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Conor MacNeill wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: WTDY? The downside of this idea is that ASF projects will lose warnings about incompatible changes they make that break non-ASF projects. I said: remove non-ASF project that ASF projects don't depend

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 01 November 2004 17:00, Leo Simons wrote: Kaffe is very much a leaf not a dependency (I know no ASF project that can only be built using Kaffe), yet using it for experimental runs doubles the amount of cpu and disk space used. For the record, there are 8 attempts

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Eric Pugh wrote: I think it comes down to maintence. If projects have active committers who are trying to fix them when they break, then great, lets keep them. Regardless of where they come from. But, if projects are in the system that don't have active committers trying to fix them/deal with

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Leo Simons
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If a project: 1) is not an ASF project 2) no ASF project depend on it 3) has been broken for a while and shows no sign of activity (gump-wise) +1 to that one. In the case of has been broken for a LONG time with no sign of activity gump-wise I would even support the

RE: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Eric Pugh
I agree. Please see my thread about removing commons-xo [1] for an example of one project that we can get rid of. I think other jakarta-commons-sandbox may be removed as well if they are stagnant... Eric [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg51295.html -Original

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Eric Pugh wrote: Sometimes I just want to build against version XX of a dependency. But this is mostly me being lazy. Well, I think gump should allow you to do that: build against the latest dependency *and* build against the dependency you want. Those are two different things, true, but

What do we do with beanutils?

2004-11-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
we call it beanutils-core and maven calls it beanutils. Should I go ahead and unify the two or anybody has a better idea? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: What do we do with beanutils?

2004-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
Ok, we need a solution for when a project changes names. There have been suggestions in the past, let's round them up: - gump has a dummy project beanutils that depends just on beanutils-core. I don't think this works with Maven though. - projects declare any aliases in their gump descriptor

Re: [proposal] removing non-ASF leaves from the workspace

2004-11-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 01 November 2004 23:41, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: So, let me rephrase my proposal: If a project: 1) is not an ASF project 2) no ASF project depend on it 3) has been broken for a while and shows no sign of activity (gump-wise) we remove it from the gump.xml profile that

Re: The Kaffe instance and ant-bootstrap

2004-11-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 01 November 2004 21:12, Dalibor Topic wrote: Since you're using the normal debian packages, setting a few additional env vars should do the trick for the bootstrap with kaffe: extras for ant bootstrap with kaffe ## ## Use jikes with kaffe's class libraries on bootclasspath

Help me

2004-11-01 Thread rahul
Hi, I am trying to open http://gump.covalent.net/jars/latest/jakarta-tomcat-connectors/tomcat-util.jar URL since one week or so ,but i am unable to open it. Kindly help to do so,because i am stuck . The SSL support in jakarta-tomcat-4.1.12 is broken with JVM 1.4.x ,i want to copy this jar