Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Craig L Russell
I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my naivete.I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at Apache. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar from the JCP, you have to click a license every time you download it. And this can be a

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: [SNIP] I don't see any point in having this conversation every year. Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel free to remove the entire site (except the project status files) and start over

Re: The line between full incubation and IP clearance

2006-01-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/28/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although that might be technically true, we do things collectively in the ASF. Mind you, we've not had a process for voting on IP Clearance type submissions, so that's been a potential loophole. I'm not sure what a vote would accomplish.

Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs...

2006-01-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
I realize that many might have checked-out of this thread about 200 messages ago... if there's any interest or comment... (Note, this is just an experiment) Original Message Subject: Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 03:39:35 -0500 From:

Re: Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs...

2006-01-01 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 (in other words Make it so!) -- dims On 1/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that many might have checked-out of this thread about 200 messages ago... if there's any interest or comment... (Note, this is just an experiment) Original Message

Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On 12/31/2005 1:12 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my naivete. I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at Apache. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar from the JCP, you have to click a

Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into this now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have no strong feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to

Re: The line between full incubation and IP clearance

2006-01-01 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/1/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/28/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although that might be technically true, we do things collectively in the ASF. Mind you, we've not had a process for voting on IP Clearance type submissions, so that's been a potential

Re: Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs...

2006-01-01 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that many might have checked-out of this thread about 200 messages ago... if there's any interest or comment... +1. I like it. And I especially like the Flooga Wagie Foo Foo news. ;-) Happy New Year! -- Martin Cooper (Note,

Re: The line between full incubation and IP clearance

2006-01-01 Thread Ted Husted
If we are moving from the general case to the specific, then, yes, it may be that the MyFaces PMC will decide the existing community cannot work with the code on their own. The MyFaces PMC might then choose to bring a proposal to the Incubator PMC to create a podling, and see if the Incubator PMC

Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this.  I am running into this now.  The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars.  I have no strong feelings how

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: How would even having a local copy of the JARs prevent the problem that Forrest won't actually generate the site? I don't believe that to be correct, but we can clarify with David and Ross. As far as I am aware the site builds fine. There

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Mads Toftum wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 08:41:35AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: ... As I understood your recent comments, you (Forrest) are actively working to make the workflow simpler, such than anyone should be able to download a binary, grab our site from SVN, build and publish. Correct? Yes that is correct. As an

Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Craig L Russell wrote: On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into this now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars.

Re: Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs...

2006-01-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
(Note, this is just an experiment) +1 to make it the default. (I'll try to provide some help as time permits.) Even with the floogy woogy stuff, it's more useful than the current site. =) Thanks. -- justin - To

how to make some requested mods to current site (Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool)

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits that no one probably uses. FTR, I hate the tabs, find the layout unreadable,... And, no, I don't want the site to generate a friggin PDF. I've

Re: Starting a java specs project

2006-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/31/05, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my naivete. I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at Apache. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar from the JCP, you have to

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread David Crossley
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: As long as everyone has to have a tool locally to build and commit a site in order to change *content*, people *will* find the tool annoying. A smaller tool maybe less ...but it's *is* an additional step that should not be required. Period!

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread David Crossley
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Mads Toftum wrote: Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits? When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed. Why? The man has

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: Mads Toftum wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process is what really

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2006-01-01 Thread David Crossley
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see any point in having this conversation every year. Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel free to remove the entire site (except the project status files) and start over with whatever tool you deem suitable.

Re: simplifying the generation of Incubator website

2006-01-01 Thread David Crossley
Leo Simons wrote: David Crossley wrote: My guess about the stumbling block for some people is the need to check the final result into svn. Also the need to copy files from build/site into site-publish and then do svn add or svn remove files. I think that we can get Cocoon to

Re: Prototype of new (Forrest generated) Incubator site

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Ross Gardler wrote: I've been wanting to create a skin for Forrest that looks like that at http://www.apache.org for some time. Mostly because the default Forrest skins are, well old. The recent thread here discussing Forrest as a tool has finally prompted me into action (congrats to anyone

[jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-9) Patch to create docs using coat skin

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler (JIRA)
Patch to create docs using coat skin Key: INCUBATOR-9 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-9 Project: Incubator Type: Improvement Reporter: Ross Gardler Priority: Trivial The coat skin is a new skin for

Re: Prototype of new (Forrest generated) Incubator site

2006-01-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 06:45:56AM +, Ross Gardler wrote: It is not (yet) a perfect copy of the main ASF site. We still need some work on the finer details. However, I hope this is enough to give you a feel. FWIW, it doesn't render correctly on Safari. It always goes over the width and

[jira] Updated: (INCUBATOR-9) Patch to create docs using coat skin

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-9?page=all ] Ross Gardler updated INCUBATOR-9: - Attachment: coat.zip coat-skin.diff Apply patch as normal Unzip coat.zip into FORREST_HOME/main/webapp/skins Patch to create docs using

Re: Prototype of new (Forrest generated) Incubator site

2006-01-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 06:45:56AM +, Ross Gardler wrote: It is not (yet) a perfect copy of the main ASF site. We still need some work on the finer details. However, I hope this is enough to give you a feel. FWIW, it doesn't render correctly on Safari. It