Re: [pre-proposal] AsyncWeb

2006-07-14 Thread Dave Irving
peter royal wrote: dave, do you hold full copyright to put you in a position to make a grant? We probably need to check up on that one. The project was released to Safehaus way back in Feb, and has been developed there since. However, I developed the original source code at my place of

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 7/13/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in the

Re: [VOTE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

2006-07-14 Thread Rob Davies
+1 (non-binding) On 13 Jul 2006, at 07:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: Jason van Zyl

Re: [pre-proposal] AsyncWeb

2006-07-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 7/14/06, Dave Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We probably need to check up on that one. The project was released to Safehaus way back in Feb, and has been developed there since. However, I developed the original source code at my place of work, so I guess I may need a clearence form or

[doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in the

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 7/14/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache Software

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread David Blevins
On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Ted Leung wrote: On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:16 PM, David Blevins wrote: In the ASF we do have PMC Chairs, period. Now let's say, someone wins this debate on wether or not having a PMC Chair from inside or outside the project is more or less likely to result in

RE: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bruce Snyder wrote: What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an incubating project. Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Could someone point to the post that would explain how it should be fixed? To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) But I agree with you: It is absolute nonsense to have someone

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

2006-07-14 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Would probably also be a good idea to fix the tuscany page itself..It mentions that it is in the incubator, but the page title and header is Apache Tuscany.. Mvgr, Martin Mike Edwards wrote: Dion, You're right. It should mention Incubator. I apologise for this oversight and I'll get it

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) I'll

Re: [VOTE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

2006-07-14 Thread Martin van den Bemt
+1.. Mvgr, Martin Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, There has been plenty of discussion around the CeltiXfire proposal, we feel that all the issues forwarded have been addressed, and we would now like to officially propose CeltiXfire to the Incubator for consideration. The proposal can be found

Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

2006-07-14 Thread Paul Querna
Ted Leung wrote: It seems like the discussion on Heraldry has died down, so I'd like to call for a VOTE on accepting Heraldry into the incubator. In keeping with Apache practice, I'd like to allow 72 hours or so for the vote to close, so please vote by 11:59PST on Thursday July 13th. The

Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

2006-07-14 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 (non-bindig) -Matthias On 7/14/06, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Leung wrote: It seems like the discussion on Heraldry has died down, so I'd like to call for a VOTE on accepting Heraldry into the incubator. In keeping with Apache practice, I'd like to allow 72 hours or so for

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. -- justin

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Snyder wrote: What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an incubating project.

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On 7/14/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. --

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

2006-07-14 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
The branding page says that a podling must be referred to as Apache Podling-Name and I think this is consistent with that. A quick poll of podling websites shows this to be the norm. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html Right. We tried to do the best

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

2006-07-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Would probably also be a good idea to fix the tuscany page itself..It mentions that it is in the incubator, but the page title and header is Apache Tuscany.. The branding page says that a podling must be referred to as Apache

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread David Blevins
Sorry, I can't resist... On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator PMC. with-big-grin This is some of that non-hierarchical, peer-based stuff you were

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread Ted Leung
On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote: I have the gut feeling there is something we can do to marry these concerns, as my primary concern is how the incubation ends. I.e. I think there should be an opportunity before incubation ends to learn to function *with* that person and

[VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

2006-07-14 Thread Ted Leung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the following votes (nine of which were cast by PMC members), the Heraldry proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ HeraldryIdentityProposal has been accepted for incubation under the sponsorship of the Incubator PMC. Ted Leung +1

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Leung wrote: On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote: Assuming we decide to start ppmcs with a chair, there's no reason you couldn't start with one of the mentors as the chair and make it an objective to exit with one of the incubated committers as the chair. Given that I

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

2006-07-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
You miscount. I voted +1 weeks ago. Ted Leung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the following votes (nine of which were cast by PMC members), the Heraldry proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HeraldryIdentityProposal has been accepted for incubation under

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

2006-07-14 Thread Ted Leung
My apologies -- I only counted replies to the vote that I called for on Tuesday. Always good to have more +1's. Ted On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:12 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: You miscount. I voted +1 weeks ago. Ted Leung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the