Re: [PROPOSAL] i18n4data Proposal

2008-02-03 Thread Neng Geng Huang
On 2/3/08, Ahmad Khalifa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neng Geng Huang wrote: The key of i18n4data is to i18n user's data, not interface message. For example, if you are developing an e-shop web site to support two languages (English and French), you might have a table to store your goods

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link

2008-02-03 Thread Paul Fremantle
Leo I am a mentor with Tuscany. I'm not concerned about where Tuscany is now... I think its growing well and is progressing towards graduation. However, Tuscany did have a significant fork a while back and this new proposal has completely confused me: basically its a proposal for part of what's

Re: [PROPOSAL] i18n4data Proposal

2008-02-03 Thread Ahmad Khalifa
Neng Geng Huang wrote: I reviewd commons-i18n. It is a different implementatoin with different purpose. I could not find any source at this address [1] Could you show me the source, I think I don't get exactly what your i18n4data does. I am new here, but I think it would be better to merge

Re: [PROPOSAL] Thrift

2008-02-03 Thread Santiago Gala
On Feb 2, 2008 2:48 PM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:20 AM, David Reiss wrote: J Aaron Farr wrote: git could be an issue. Can you explain what the issue is with Git? Probably not very well :-). Basically, we know how to do the apache- style open source

Re: [PROPOSAL] i18n4data Proposal

2008-02-03 Thread Neng Geng Huang
Hi, Ahmad, I didn't put the source in CVS, I just put the source, bin, and demo files in the download area[1]. You may visit that page and click download to download page. [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/i18n4data Thank you for your interest in it. Your comments is valuable to me.

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link

2008-02-03 Thread Meeraj Kunnumpurath
Paul, The fork on Tuscany was not instigated by BEA. Of the three committers who decided to leave Tuscany, due to technical differences and otherwise, only Jim Marino was employed by BEA. Myself and Jeremy Boynes were independent committers, though, Jeremy was employed by IBM and leading the

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link

2008-02-03 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Feb 3, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Meeraj Kunnumpurath wrote: Paul, The fork on Tuscany was not instigated by BEA. Of the three committers who decided to leave Tuscany, due to technical differences and otherwise, only Jim Marino was employed by BEA. Myself and Jeremy Boynes were independent

Re: [DISCUSS] More systematic disclosure of company affiliations

2008-02-03 Thread Roland Weber
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: 1) http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-affiliations Replace the last paragraph Only the affiliations...bootstrap has been completed with this: *** As a general rule, podling committers and mentors are requested to disclose their company

Reporting Schedule: A Few Questions [WAS Re: Process Question: When And Who Adds Podling To Reporting Schedule...?]

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Jan 13, 2008 10:47 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: who's supposed to add a new podling to the reporting schedule and when does this need to be done? Preferably by the Mentors doing the project setup. added a step to

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet - Pluto

2008-02-03 Thread Roland Weber
Bill Stoddard wrote: Disclosure... I work for IBM. So do I. IBM'ers participate on projects as individuals and it's the actions of individuals that should be judged. I think that is a bit oversimplified. IBM has strict rules about open source participation. It is either on private time, such

Re: Mailing list setup (RE: svn commit: r611570)

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Jan 15, 2008 3:00 AM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposal should contain the rest of the information that needs to be collected before the mailing lists can be set up. All mailing lists for a project SHOULD use the project's host as the domain. In particular, the

Re: Process Question: Draft Mentors Onto IPMC...? [WAS: [docs] Started pre-drafting]

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Jan 16, 2008 11:17 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wording in the Policy was deliberately non-procedural, as the Incubator PMC decided that policy belongs in the policy document and process belongs elsewhere. So as far as I'm concerned, this discussion is not supposed to

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link

2008-02-03 Thread Paul Fremantle
Meeraj, Jeremy Please read my note again. At no point did I say or imply that BEA led anything. The only thing I said about BEA was: the two companies who couldn't agree to do it together in Tuscany. Is there anything incorrect about that statement? I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong.

How To Create The Podling Directory In Subversion

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
following http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#Set+Up+Repository doesn't work for me. i also tried: $ svn mkdir https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/rat svn: MKCOL of '/repos/asf/!svn/wrk/a5890c71-85da-4dc7-93ba-ec3a93543b70/incubator/rat': 405 Method Not Allowed

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Karl Pauls
...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the actual graduation process? The question is how, and it's something no established project has ever figured out, nevermind our podlings :)... Hence the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Thrift

2008-02-03 Thread J Aaron Farr
David Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J Aaron Farr wrote: git could be an issue. Can you explain what the issue is with Git? Leo already gave a decent explanation. Basically, it comes down to two aspects: 1) infrastructure support 2) cultural bias There's no No git rule that I know

Re: [VOTE] Accept PDFBox for incubation

2008-02-03 Thread J Aaron Farr
Jukka Zitting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incubator PMC, Please vote on accepting the PDFBox project for incubation. The full PDFBox proposal is available at the end of this message and as a wiki page at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PDFBoxProposal. We ask the Incubator PMC to sponsor the

Re: How To Create The Podling Directory In Subversion

2008-02-03 Thread Upayavira
Tee hee. You can't create a directory that already exists! I set that up for you two weeks ago, and added your initial committers too. Regards, Upayavira On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 17:50 +, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: following http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#Set+Up+Repository

Re: How To Create The Podling Directory In Subversion

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Feb 3, 2008 6:32 PM, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee hee. You can't create a directory that already exists! I set that up for you two weeks ago, and added your initial committers too. cheers :-) could you check that http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#Set+Up+Repository

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Filip at Apache
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 7:36 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the actual graduation process? The question is how, and it's something

Re: JIRA Setup for new podling

2008-02-03 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 19:23 +, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: should the IPMC/Mentors have karma for setting up issue tracking for a new podling or is the infrastructure team? I'd say it is the infrastructure team that gives karma for both Jira and Confluence. Anyone who has the karma can

[ANNOUNCE] RAT lists and JIRA available

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RAT (i'm sure that anyone whose podling has been subjected to RAT must have plenty of gripes or requests for improvements so now you're chance to criticise RAT for a change) - robert - To

Re: How To Create The Podling Directory In Subversion

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Feb 3, 2008 7:53 PM, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:49 +, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 6:32 PM, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee hee. You can't create a directory that already exists! I set that up for you two weeks ago, and

Re: How To Create The Podling Directory In Subversion

2008-02-03 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:49 +, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 6:32 PM, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee hee. You can't create a directory that already exists! I set that up for you two weeks ago, and added your initial committers too. cheers :-) could you

Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Jan 31, 2008 7:20 PM, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for general feedback about the group's perception of incubated projects and the number of roles that may be assumed by a foundation member in one. Can I view RAT as an example i knew that this would come up sooner or

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Feb 3, 2008 7:47 PM, Filip at Apache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 7:36 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RAT lists and JIRA available

2008-02-03 Thread Alex Karasulu
Thanks Robert, I filed a 'wish' for RAT that I've been wanting for a long time but never expressed. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RAT-1 Alex On Feb 3, 2008 2:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RAT (i'm sure that anyone

Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Feb 1, 2008 6:00 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Matt, I don't see a conflict for incubating projects when members assume multiple roles, including Champion, Mentor, and Committer. If a Champion is not a Mentor or Committer, then it's pure

Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Jan 31, 2008 8:27 PM, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 2:36 PM, Jukka Zitting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 9:20 PM, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for general feedback about the group's perception of incubated projects and the number

RE: Binding term

2008-02-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
ant elder wrote: The error is the use of PPMC. It should say that only PMC member votes are binding. Now I'm confused. If it says only PMC member votes are binding does that mean Incubator PMC? Yes. The PPMC has no legal standing, and is an Incubator artifact. We want them to vote, but

REMINDER: Board Reports

2008-02-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
It is that time again, i.e., the beginning of a new month. Time to start preparing reports for the Board. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Proposal] NoNameYet - Pluto

2008-02-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
But it is not individuals that propose this particular project, as I understand it: it is IBM and BEA. And it was IBM that, in my view, dumped the JSR 168 RI and then fled - not any individuals as such. And IBM is also a significant force behind Tuscany, and have definitely not fled. They

RE: [Proposal] NoNameYet

2008-02-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
kelvin goodson wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NoNameYetProposal As Paul and Mattieu asked, since SDO is quite closely aligned with SCA, is there any point or interest in working with, or joining, Tuscany? --- Noel

RE: Binding term

2008-02-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: The error is the use of PPMC. It should say that only PMC member votes are binding. But somehow I like the fact that in most cases the vote is much wider - and I think that this helps foster a community responsiblity. Yes. But that's no different from

Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link

2008-02-03 Thread Simon Nash
Jeremy Boynes wrote: On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Paul Fremantle wrote: Meeraj, Jeremy Please read my note again. At no point did I say or imply that BEA led anything. The only thing I said about BEA was: the two companies who couldn't agree to do it together in Tuscany. Is there anything

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Feb 3, 2008 9:11 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 7:47 PM, Filip at Apache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Make it part of the graduation for the contributors in the podling to decide if they want to continue or not. the folks who have made the podling