Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Understood. Taking a bit out of the email: Such a dependency might be made somewhat invisible by transitive dependencies on incubating projects, but the problem is exactly the same if a non-incubating project depends on GPL stuff transitively. That's a Maven problem, not an incubator problem.

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Bertrand, Facts: - We have 11 failures so far in the incubator (http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html) - We have had G PMC pick up the code from a failed incubation (Yoko) - We have disclaimers all over the place (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html) Any PMC that ships

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Dims, On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Any PMC that ships incubator developed code is responsible for what happens when a community does not form around the code base used. Any one outside Apache that ships incubator code should be totally aware

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Davanum Srinivas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that serve? - -- dims Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: | Hi Dims, | | On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | ...Any PMC that ships incubator

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that serve?... I don't see why we would get rid of disclaimers. -Bertrand Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: | Hi Dims, | | On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Davanum Srinivas
if one set of users never see them, why should everyone else? -- dims On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Davanum Srinivas wrote: So can we figure out another way to make the end user make a conscious decision? I doubt we will get much help from the maven team to support this use case. They would rather get the central repo and get it done! What bugs me is that in this whole discussion, no one

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code is just as important - if not more so. For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal standard as releases from

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code is just as important - if not more so. For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal

[REPORT] July 2008 report for JSPWiki

2008-07-08 Thread Craig L Russell
2008-July JSPWiki Incubator status report JSPWiki has been incubating since September 2007. JSPWiki is a JSP-based wiki program. During the past three months, the JSPWiki community seems to still enjoy a steady increase. The developer list now has 59 names, an increase of 15%. The user list

[REPORT] July 2008 report for Sanselan

2008-07-08 Thread Craig L Russell
2008-July Sanselan Incubator status report Sanselan has been in incubation since September 2007. Sanselan is a pure-java image library for reading and writing a variety of image formats. The community hasn't grown much in the past three months. There continues to be only one active committer.

[REPORT] July 2008 report for JSecurity

2008-07-08 Thread Craig L Russell
2008-July JSecurity Incubator status report JSecurity is a powerful and flexible open-source Java security framework that cleanly handles authentication, authorization, enterprise session management and cryptography. JSecurity has been incubating since June 2008. The project has kicked off

[REPORT] July 2008 report for Imperius

2008-07-08 Thread Craig L Russell
2008-July Imperius Incubator status report Imperius has been incubating since November 2007. Imperius is a rule-based infrastructure management tool Code: Made several enhancements to the code: 1. Added cascaded policy evaluation capability for Java-SPL. This allows one policy to invoke

RE: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal standard as releases from other PMCs. Huh? The only difference I know of is the possible presence of external dependencies on LGPL code, which is not a legal question at