Re: [VOTE] experimental delegation of new committer votes to PPMC

2010-08-19 Thread Carl Trieloff
+1 Carl. On 08/18/2010 07:31 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: +1 -- dims Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that the board has declared there are no legal obstacles to what I have proposed, I'd like to restart the vote. Thanks

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Greg Stein wrote: identifying the project with the ASF. Similarly on many occasions we have asked projects to pick a new name as part of the incubation process. We have made exceptions for well established brands (ServiceMix ActiveMQ were the first I

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache

Re: [VOTE] experimental delegation of new committer votes to PPMC

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Reddin
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Specifically, for thrift, sis, and esme, I wish to remove the current rule that requires 3 votes from IPMC members to approve a vote on a new committer, effectively delegating the decision to the PPMC. Additionally

Re: [VOTE] experimental delegation of new committer votes to PPMC

2010-08-19 Thread Matt Benson
On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Now that the board has declared there are no legal obstacles to what I have proposed, I'd like to restart the vote. +1 -Matt Thanks for your patience and consideration. - Original Message From: Joe Schaefer

RE: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Greg Stein wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community. The report is consumed by the svn community, too. They reviewed it and provided

RE: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP

2010-08-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
+1 Good luck. Hope to see you adopted into Android! --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 13:29, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: ... No way would the Board (nor you) allow arbitrary terminology across projects even if it is parentheticals (whatever that means). As far as I'm concerned, the participants are Committers.  There is no need to

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:03, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: ... This seems really simple to me. If I move from Korea to the United States I'd better start learning to speak English if I want to interact with the population at large. If I just want to stay within my little

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:06, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... The report is consumed by the svn community, too. They reviewed it and provided feedback. It uses terms from the svn community. ... No way would the

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Craig L Russell
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote: As I said in my other post, by using *both* sets of terms in the report, the svn community also learns what the formal names are here at the ASF. They can see the translation. So yeah. I'm doing exactly what you're asking: educating the

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 2:38:48 PM Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment) On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote: As I said in my

RE: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Greg Stein wrote: Actually, we don't use ACLs at all. We simply tell them only commit in your designated area. We haven't ever had a problem with that approach. Even better. :-) Relies on human respect. Even better: if the committer gets a +1 on a patch from somebody with full access,

RE: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Joe Schaefer wrote: I'm perfectly comfortable letting the board provide feedback to Greg about its expectations for future Subversion reports, and see no need for anyone else to insert their opinions on the subject in any more than a limited and advisory basis. I'm still trying to figure out

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 14:56, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Greg Stein wrote: Actually, we don't use ACLs at all. We simply tell them only commit in your designated area. We haven't ever had a problem with that approach. Even better.  :-)  Relies on human respect. Even better:

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Joe, Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Craig On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Cmon Craig. Subversion is a 10-year old community. Making major changes in basic terminology isn't something that happens in a day. Craig L Russell

RE: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
So it allows them to seamlessly earn wider karma via RTC? Correct. So, it promotes CTR by the more experienced hands, and RTC by the less experienced hands. That does not seem like a bad thing. --- Noel - To

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Craig L Russell wrote on Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:38:48 -0700: On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote: As I said in my other post, by using *both* sets of terms in the report, the svn community also learns what the formal names are here at the ASF. They can see the translation. So

[VOTE] Thrift 0.4.0 RC1

2010-08-19 Thread Bryan Duxbury
Hi all, In all the time it took for us to finally release Thrift 0.3, we've accumulated enough changes for Thrift 0.4! I propose we accept http://people.apache.org/~bryanduxbury/thrift-0.4.0-rc1.tar.gzhttp://people.apache.org/%7Ebryanduxbury/thrift-0.4.0-rc1.tar.gzas the official Thrift 0.4.0

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 16:20, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: So it allows them to seamlessly earn wider karma via RTC? Correct. So, it promotes CTR by the more experienced hands, and RTC by the less experienced hands.  That does not seem like a bad thing. Yup. And to clarify:

Re: [VOTE] experimental delegation of new committer votes to PPMC

2010-08-19 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that the board has declared there are no legal obstacles to what I have proposed, I'd like to restart the vote. +1. -- justin - To unsubscribe,

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Joe Schaefer
Didn't you just suggest that Greg summarily drop his use of local terminology from his reports, and don't you consider the Subversion report a community document, and therefore of educational value for the wider community, not just the pmc, in some sense? - Original Message From: Craig

Re: [VOTE] Thrift 0.4.0 RC1

2010-08-19 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Bryan Duxbury br...@rapleaf.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:51:00 PM Subject: [VOTE] Thrift 0.4.0 RC1 On thrift-dev, we had 7 +1 votes, including 3 from active Thrift committers (myself, Mark Slee, and David Reiss) and

Re: [VOTE] experimental delegation of new committer votes to PPMC

2010-08-19 Thread Kevan Miller
+1 --kevan On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Now that the board has declared there are no legal obstacles to what I have proposed, I'd like to restart the vote. Thanks for your patience and consideration. - Original Message From: Joe Schaefer

Re: [VOTE] Thrift 0.4.0 RC1

2010-08-19 Thread Bryan Duxbury
On thrift-dev, we had 7 +1 votes, including 3 from active Thrift committers (myself, Mark Slee, and David Reiss) and one from a mentor (Doug Cutting). The myself here refers to me, Bryan Duxbury. I assume you're not asking me if I'm voting +1 on the release in the general@ - I was under the

Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP

2010-08-19 Thread Kalle Korhonen
The vote is now closed and succeeded with 11 binding +1 votes, one non-binding +1 vote and no negative or neutral votes. Binding votes: Chris A. Mattman Craig Russell Martijn Dashorst Gavin McDonald Emmanuel Lecharny Kevan Miller Joe Schaefer J. Daniel Kulp Alan Cabrera Niall Pemberton Noel

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Craig L Russell
I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache terminology and have no need for translation of the terms. Instead, a suggestion to that effect was brutally shot down. And since it's apparently

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ** Community Since our last report, in May, we have added two more committers. These are partial committers, meaning they are restricted to certain portions of the tree. The first, artagnon, is a GSoC student for Git(!) and is adding

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Tim Williams
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache terminology and have no need for translation of the terms. Instead, a

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Greg Stein
Oh, I totally understand what you're saying. And I respectfully and totally disagree with it on several levels. We can leave it at that, or you can propose a Resolution to the Board to enforce terminology whenever different communities want to communicate here at Apache. Should the Board pass

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 6:45:54 PM Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment) I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Craig L Russell
On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Hm, sounds like sour grapes reappearing. Having the subversion community drop 10 years of common terminology and quickly adopt ours isn't what I consider part and parcel of incubation. I guess I have to say it again. I'm not suggesting