Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this evaluation other than commercial software. Paid developers are
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit.
Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity level
dropping off significantly after the first year or two.
Sorry, correction: Chukwa has been incubating since July 2010 after
being a part of
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...growing communities is really, really, hard,
and I don't know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does,
it might be the comdev committee...
I agree with this, the incubator is busy enough helping
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers of help?),
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually).
Give it yet more time.
Honestly, I don't understand why
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
with that.
As usual a -1 should be backed by a credible alternative. I'm
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no
Google Summer of Code is an excellent opportunity to attract fresh
blood to your project and it is a good practice for a podling to
participate.
GSoC students are potential committers, there will be a splash of
discussion on your @dev list, the podling will be promoted, etc. -
actually all
One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
This may not always be the appropriate way to think about retiring a
podling, but it's
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:
One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
This
+ 1 (binding).
All the best as TLP,
Suresh
On Nov 22, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
...This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex podling from Apache
Incubator...
We need to
+1 (binding)
have fun!
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex podling from Apache
Incubator.
Apache Flex entered the Incubator in December of 2011. We have made
significant progress with the project since
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this
On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this
Andrew Hart has joined the Incubator PMC.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Craig is returning to active duty as a mentor. He never actually quite
managed to leave this PMC, but anyhow we're happy to see him around.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional
Welcome aboard Andrew.
Regards
JB
On 11/27/2012 02:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Andrew Hart has joined the Incubator PMC.
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For additional commands, e-mail:
Welcome back Craig ;)
Regards
JB
On 11/27/2012 02:44 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Craig is returning to active duty as a mentor. He never actually quite
managed to leave this PMC, but anyhow we're happy to see him around.
-
To
As chair of the IPMC, I do not think that it is appropriate to have a
vote to continue incubation for six months, with no consideration of
success in between. I think that it would be reasonable to put aside
the vote to retire, and expect a plan, with contributions from more
than one non-mentor,
+1, and I think we can close it. As I see it, a hand with three
mentors beats 5 other members :-)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 (binding)
have fun!
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
This is a call for
The more the merrier! :)
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:50 PM, ant elder wrote:
Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be
happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help.
...ant
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this evaluation other than
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:55 PM, ant elder wrote:
I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
resolve this.
I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
Hello guys,
I want to understand Chukwa community building strategy better. Are
there any insights why companies which use Hadoop (in Moscow those
include Deutche Bank, Yandex, Rambler and Microsoft) do not crowd
around or stay in line to get a chance to use Chukwa?
--
With best regards / с
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
another try,
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
with that.
As
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
While I think that it's laudable for IPMC members to step in and offer to
mentor, we should remember the danger of becoming a crutch...
Definitely - the goal of an incubation mentor should be to become
redundant, as
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is exactly what we did for the last months (years,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the hopes of infusing
new energy into the
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:57 AM, ant elder wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
another
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
resolve this.
I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
Benson,
I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
raised. A lengthy discussion ensued. Consensus was garnered. We even added
committers with the hopes of infusing new energy into the project.
Sometimes, you just can't get ultimate consensus on retirement and
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
I will accept the voting result from IPMC,
and I wish IPMC would use better human sense to enable future project to
flourish.
This sounds like you're frustrated with your mentors. I'm sorry for
that and take part of the responsibility
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement
was raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
Consensus was garnered. We even added
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
nandana@gmail.com wrote:
Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a
formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up
with a concrete plans for the next six months and some
-Original Message-
From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
Sent: 27 November 2012 14:30
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: What constitute a successful project?
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
It's on the private Chukwa list. How can I get these URLs?...
Message-ID is fine in this case
Alan,
I get that. I'm supposed to be more the admin support here than the
autocrat. I'm trying to help the IPMC find a consensus position --
within the parameters of the IPMC's mission. I have no problem with
that position being retirement. I am prepared for it to be a brief
extension, and I am
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
What is described above is exactly what mentors should be doing in an
informal way. What Alan says happened below is what is proposed above.
I've not been following the project and can't agree or disagree with
Alan's interpretation of
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a small slow problem is chewing up ASF resources,
but
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
It's on the private Chukwa list.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:16 AM, ant elder wrote:
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a
Apologies for the cross post, but I am including press since Eric has some
constructive observations here.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Eric Johnson e...@tibco.com wrote:
I'm mostly just a lurker on this list, having thought about bringing a
project to Apache about 24 months ago[1],
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2012, Alan Cabrera wrote:
Hi,
The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote
on confirming this decision.
The IPMC has approved the proposal to recommend the resolution to the Board.
Results: 8 +1 votes, no 0 votes, no -1 votes.
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz (IPMC)
+1 Greg Reddin (IPMC)
+1 Dave Fisher (IPMC)
+1 Chris A. Mattman (IPMC)
+1 Alan Cabrera (IPMC)
+1 Suresh Marru (IPMC)
+1 Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
Growing community is about getting the message out there. There has to
be someone in the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
- press
- community events
- mentoring (that is mentoring of potential
Hi IPMC members,
we find ourselves in need of an additional mentor for this project, which we
are currently in the process of on boarding.
You can see the proposal on the wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HadoopDevelopmentToolsProposal.
Cheers,
Adam
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:
My thought here is that ComDev is a source of useful advice, not a
group of people to do the work.
+1, not only ComDev, but actually IPMC as well, as it's actually the PMC
that has the most experience with regards
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
I wonder if we can ask that incubation proposals include how they intend
to get the message out there. What channels are relevant for the project?
I guess what are their marketing plans.
Eventually, we'd have a
Hi Adam,
I am in general interested on the distributed application debugging. I can see
some overlap with Airavata project as well. I think I can help out and
volunteer to mentor the project.
Cheers,
Suresh
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Adam Berry ambe...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
Hi IPMC
Forgot a couple for the list...
Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how an
appropriate book chapter might apply to their project. This was recently
reported in their board report and early feedback is very positive.
OpenOffice are building a course for new
Thanks, Suresh. Hello Eric, Ross, and IPMC members.
We --ASF Marketing Publicity-- are happy to work with any (P)PMC on a
project's publicity once the project has graduated from the Incubator.
We can issue a press release to announce the graduation --similar to [1], [2],
and [3]. Once you're
Fantastic, thanks for the offer.
Could you add your information to the proposal wiki, or go ahead and send it to
me and I'll add it.
Cheers,
Adam
On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
Hi Adam,
I am in general interested on the distributed application debugging. I can
see
+1 great to hear that you are on board, Suresh.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Adam Berry wrote:
Fantastic, thanks for the offer.
Could you add your information to the proposal wiki, or go ahead and send it
to me and I'll add it.
Cheers,
Adam
On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:41
Thanks Chris, realized I will be in good company which added to my motivation
:)
Hi Adam,
I added myself to the wiki.
Looking forward for the project to take life,
Suresh
On Nov 27, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
+1 great to hear that you
Hi Alan,
In Wink, you voted +1, and in Chukwa, you voted -1. While the status are
similar between Chukwa and Wink, but what is the logic behind your votes?
In addition, Chukwa and Kafka are similar, and some Kafka design are
borrowed from Chukwa. Does your relationship with Kafka influence
Hi Suresh,
Anymore time spend in incubator is not productive. Developers would feel
threaten by the fact that the project is coming to the end and stop
contributing. I think the only way forward is to vote for graduation or
setup shop on github. IPMC can make good decisions when they are well
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
snip/
The various comparisons are distractions. Let's focus on Chukwa and what can
be done.
If we are going to move forward, more time in incubation is not a realistic
option. The only way is vote for graduation and avoid the vicious cycle of
Continue the retirement vote, and see if it passes in IPMC. If it does, I
will gladly setup shop in github. If it doesn't, Chukwa community should
prepare for Chukwa 0.6.0 release, and start voting on Chukwa 0.6.0 release,
and follow by vote for graduation. Content in Chukwa trunk contains a
Forgot a few for the list...
Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how
an appropriate book chapter might apply to their project. This was recently
reported in their board report and early feedback is very positive.
OpenOffice are building a course for new
Sorry ignore this one, duplicate caused by still sleeping tablet user
Sent from my tablet
On Nov 28, 2012 7:38 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Forgot a few for the list...
Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how
an appropriate book
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