RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
I may be taking a more cynical interpretation, but when I see that three votes from members are required that means that all other votes don't matter. On Mar 2, 2015 10:45 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Remember this is not a replacement for the IPMC, it is an

Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! since a few board members requested a detailed document outlining the exact policy of a pTLP project, I've created this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51812862 which is modeled after the Incubator policy document. My rationale is this: if the level of

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
Roman, I don't think much is missing. One of my concerns with all of these proposals, especially for participants like myself, is the difference in how the IPMC operates vs how these PMCs must operate. For someone like me, I wouldn't be able to help these pTLP's the way I can on the IPMC. From

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Remember this is not a replacement for the IPMC, it is an alternative for appropriate projects. The problem you highlight is the one that concerns me most about this proposal. However, if we select pTLP candidates carefully there should be no problem. Also note that you are incorrect in saying

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Thanks Roman - I asked for karma before (not your fault) but no one granted it for me. I’ll take a look. Great job. ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Chief Architect Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) NASA Jet

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
I obviously speak for the minority, but as a non-Apache Member I would never be able to provide a binding vote in a pTLP. We just had a case where the 4 IPMC representatives are made up of 1 current IPMC Member, 2 IPMC non-members and 1 Member pending IPMC. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:05 PM Ross

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
How do you see yourself being limited in the support you can provide? Sent from my Windows Phone From: John D. Amentmailto:johndam...@apache.org Sent: ‎3/‎2/‎2015 6:56 PM To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org; Bertrand

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Can you please remove the requirement for 3 legally independent PMC members. What we require is a PMC that operates as a meritocracy. This is possible even in a monoculture PMC. It's also possible to have the independent representatives that act in collusion. 3 independents was a useful

Re: Incubator Wiki Access

2015-03-02 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:26 PM, moon soo Lee m...@apache.org wrote: May i get edit access to incubator wiki to fill out the March report for the Zeppelin project. id: MoonsooLee Done. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Lens 2.0.1-beta-incubating

2015-03-02 Thread amareshwarisr .
We used default apache-release profile for source distribution which is producing zip. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding). Checked disclaimer, license, notice. Verified signatures. Checked for headers. Ran unit tests. Out of curiosity, why

Re: Incubator Wiki Access

2015-03-02 Thread moon soo Lee
May i get edit access to incubator wiki to fill out the March report for the Zeppelin project. id: MoonsooLee Thanks, moon On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Alex abezzu...@nflabs.com wrote: May I get edit access

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Thanks Roman, I think that it is unnecessary to mention sub-projects in this document. If an external codebase and community are going into an existing TLP, it is often possible to do so via an IP Clearance process, depending on size of external community. // Niclas On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:31

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
If that were true then the project would not be operating as an Apache project which requires that all community members have a voice. Graduation requires the project be operating as an Apache project. In such a project there is a difference between a binding vote and a non-binding vote only

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Lens 2.0.1-beta-incubating

2015-03-02 Thread Jakob Homan
+1 (binding). Checked disclaimer, license, notice. Verified signatures. Checked for headers. Ran unit tests. Out of curiosity, why is the src release a zip file rather than tgz? -Jakob On 1 March 2015 at 22:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote: +1 (binding) Regards JB On

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ...either this pTLP idea is independent of the IPMC. Or it is not I think it is actually in between ;-) While the pTLP itself, once created by the board, is independent of the Incubator PMC, the

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...the steps that lead to the board voting on the pTLP creation resolution are IMO best handled by the Incubator PMC, as they are fairly

Re: [VOTE] Accept CommonsRDF into the Apache Incubator

2015-03-02 Thread Rob Vesse
+1 Rob On 27/02/2015 19:19, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi general@, Over the last while a number of individuals have been putting together a proposal and gathering interest in proposing Commons RDF for acceptance into the Apache Incubator. Having worked our way

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP creation, but there's significant work that happens before that, collaboratively and in public.

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ...either this pTLP idea is independent of the IPMC. Or it is not I think it is actually in between ;-) While

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...the steps that lead to the board voting on the pTLP

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP creation, but