Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Yet conceptually, those are the "default project bylaws" should a PMC not > decide to write up something else. Yep and that’s why while podling sometime gets little lost or just copy and paste others thinking they are correct. The same happens with LICENSE/NOTICE files so we probably

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
> On Sep 3, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > Personally, I'd prefer that the concept of project bylaws disappear. Move > to "community guides". A *guide* rather than a *ruleset*. The Board has > kinda gone quiet on the discussion, but hopefully it will pick it back up, > to provide

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
hehe.. and I agree with both of you :-) But when the concept of "foundation-level project bylaws" came up, that is where they are. Not labeled as such, not explained well, etc. Agreed. Yet conceptually, those are the "default project bylaws" should a PMC not decide to write up something else.

[VOTE] Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.3 [RC5]

2018-09-02 Thread Jun Liu
Hello All, This is a call for vote to release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) version 2.6.3. The Apache Dubbo community has voted on and approved a proposal to release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) version 2.6.3. We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this incubator release.

Re: [Wiki] Request permissions to file reports

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > I need to file reports of Doris Podling for Incubator Wiki > (https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2018). > Would someone please enable my account "reed". Done. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Wiki] Request permissions to file reports

2018-09-02 Thread Li,De(BDG)
Hi - I need to file reports of Doris Podling for Incubator Wiki (https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2018). Would someone please enable my account "reed". Best regards, Reed

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi - Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2018, at 3:29 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > > Aren’t the foundation-level bylaws about how the ASF operates as a non-profit > business? > > I may be missing something, but ASF bylaws don’t address project management, > ASF policy does. The trouble is

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
Greg, I agree with Justin. I know from experience what the “defaults” are, but to a newcomer, it’s likely anything but clear. The project-specific ones you reference make no reference to being bylaws, hence my description of them as “policy.” If we could clearly delineate between Foundation

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Board@ is the private list while general@incubator is public. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > Apologies. Did not know general@ was a private list. > >> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 14:29 Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Note the cross-posting between public

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Apologies. Did not know general@ was a private list. On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 14:29 Dave Fisher wrote: > Note the cross-posting between public and private mailing lists. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Kevin A. McGrail > wrote: > > > > Good point, Dave. +board as this

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > There are two types of "bylaws" at the Foundation level. The official ones > you're referring to, and the project ones under dev/ (the "how it works" > stuff). And the issue with the later is not 100% clear what they are, and while they are mostly documented in various places and

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 5:30 PM P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > Aren’t the foundation-level bylaws about how the ASF operates as a > non-profit business? > There are two types of "bylaws" at the Foundation level. The official ones you're referring to, and the project ones under dev/ (the "how it works"

Gossip Retirement Complete

2018-09-02 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
All the steps for retiring the Gossip podling are now complete. -Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
Aren’t the foundation-level bylaws about how the ASF operates as a non-profit business? I may be missing something, but ASF bylaws don’t address project management, ASF policy does. -Taylor > On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:25 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > > -private list for now. > > > I disagree with

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Joe Witt
John, The clause as written right now doesn't speak to the ASF level bylaws. It gives the PMC the specific tasking to create bylaws. If not removed the language should probably change to not encourage creation of new bylaws but rather understand the implicit adoption of the ASF level bylaws.

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread John D. Ament
-private list for now. I disagree with removing the bylaws clause. It's assumed your going to use the ASF level bylaws if you don't have another one. On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 14:29 Dave Fisher wrote: > Note the cross-posting between public and private mailing lists. > > Sent from my iPhone > > >

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Note the cross-posting between public and private mailing lists. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > Good point, Dave. +board as this was an issue with emeritus pmc and > project bylaws > >> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 12:37 Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Hi -

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Good point, Dave. +board as this was an issue with emeritus pmc and project bylaws On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 12:37 Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > Pulsar is currently discussing a graduation proposal and Taylor noticed > the following that came out of the whimsy boilerplate. > > Quick question: > >

Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi - Pulsar is currently discussing a graduation proposal and Taylor noticed the following that came out of the whimsy boilerplate. > Quick question: > >> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Pulsar PMC be and hereby is tasked >> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open >>

Re: Superset releases [was Re: ASF release process]

2018-09-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
I have responded on the dev@superset list on what I think the PPMC's next step should be. > On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m considering asking the podling to report monthly until this issue is > sorted. What do others think? > > Thanks, > Justin >

Re: Draft incubator report for September

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > HAWK graduated to TLP. That should be HAWQ - thank you auto correct. Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Additional question for this month podling report

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, As a little experiment I’ve asked 5 podlings (with possible missing mentors) due to report this month an additional question as suggested by Bertrand. The podlings asked were: Hivemall, Nemo, Omid, SINGA and Spot. Thanks, Justin

Additional question for this month podling report

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, When you fill in you your podling report for this month could you also please answer this question: Have your mentors been helpful and responsive or are things falling through the cracks? In the latter case, please list open issues that need to be addressed. Thanks, Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, For those interested here are the numbers of possible absent mentors by podling, again this may contain mistakes. If you listed here and your mentors are active again you have my apologies in advance, but if your mentors are absent please speak up. That goes for if you are a mentor on a

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

2018-09-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I made a list of possible inactive mentors here based on how often they sign off board reports [1]. It may contain mistakes so apologies in advance if your name is listed and you are actually active in the podling listed. There are 78 names listed of those 50 have not checked off any