Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Here’s some other links that may help. A worked example on how to assemble LICENSE and NOTICE: https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheWombat https://vimeo.com/171210141 A previous incubator talk (from 2017): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-lp1t9ee0 A talk I gave last year it currently

June 2019 Incubator report timeline

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Here’s the time line for the June report [1] Wed June 05 -- Podling reports due by end of day Sun June 09 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day Sun June 09 -- Summary due by end of day Tue June 11 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day Wed June 12 -- Report submitted to

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Paul King
I'd second Geertjan's comments about how helpful (even though it probably seemed painful at the time) Justin's comments were for Apache Groovy during our incubation. Perhaps it is worth re-reading some of the reasons why The ASF values highly the provenance behind all of the software in its

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > the fact people allow tools like apache RAT to rot, yet somehow can > find glitches in dozens of repos tells me priorities are whacked. If you’ve found an issue with Rat please raise an issue with that project. Rat isn’t expected to be perfect, as it says: Rat is really little more than a

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > maybe you can open source the tools you use justin. I spoken about it at many ApacheCons and provided "them" here on this list. Calling them tools is probably an exaggeration, It’s nothing complex. Here’s the tool I used: search copyright | sort -u (Where search is "find . -type f

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Probably more than anyone in the world, I feel your pain. Tip: document everything Justin identifies as a problem, focus on those items in addition to everything you’re focusing on already, and each release will be less painful than the one before. Gj On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 17:46, Adrian Cole

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Adrian Cole
the fact people allow tools like apache RAT to rot, yet somehow can find glitches in dozens of repos tells me priorities are whacked. For example, the last release justin found a second header on a file that said it was temporary (now deleted) did he manually look at hundreds of files to see

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
In defence of Justin :-) I'm very sure NetBeans would not be as solid and well placed in Apache right now, outside the Incubator, without Justin's uncanny ability to find glitches. :-) Gj On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:59 PM Adrian Cole wrote: > maybe you can open source the tools you use justin. >

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Sheng Wu
Hi Look like the topic changed, somehow? Why? This should a discussion about the possibility and recommendation about **parallel vote**. Let’s stay in that one, OK? Back to the topic, as both IPMC and Zipkin mentor, **parallel vote** is good to improve the slow progress about

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Adrian Cole
maybe you can open source the tools you use justin. you seem uncanny ability to find glitches, yet also have an ability to ignore note in the vote request mentioning known issues. start helping instead of finding faults. you are the reason incubator is not something anyone wants to go through

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread bas
Sorry Justin but this is you looking for “problems” that just are not there and to me it comes across as you taking joy out of frustrating people. Nothing about “nagging mentors privately to vote” holds any additional / relevant information that needs disclosure to the public. So something

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I nagged our mentors privately to vote and mentioned that I would be > trying a concurrent vote. IMO that communication should be public, part of doing things at the ASF is being open and tranparent. Again IMO that decision would of been better done via consensus of the PPMC and not

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > But for Zipkin, there are lots of community releases which are built > on top of auto tools, so I think it's much safer for us to start a > parallel vote both PPMC and IPMC. Given all release I’ve looked at had license (or other) issues why do you think that the “auto tools” are doing

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Willem Jiang
Yes, we (mentors of Zipkin) were informed about the vote in private mail. I think it should be fine to ping mentor privately about the release vote, as we cannot always monitor the dev mailing list. Otherwise, it will some time for us to response the release vote. Willem Jiang Twitter:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0

2019-05-18 Thread Willem Jiang
As mentor is member of PPMC and IPMC, it could speed up the voting process by getting the mentor involved at the earlier stage. Normally we just wait for the PPMC to do the technical check then we go through the License check in the IPMC vote. But for Zipkin, there are lots of community releases

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Weex (Incubating) 0.24.0-RC3

2019-05-18 Thread Willem Jiang
+1. (binding) Here what I checked: Signed key and hash code are OK No binary in the source artifact Notice and Disclaimer files are OK, We need to polish the License file as Justin had mentioned in next release. I also find a minor issue of License file I cannot find the License information

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Adrian Cole
> Can you point me to where the PPMC has a discussion about this? I nagged our mentors privately to vote and mentioned that I would be trying a concurrent vote. Everyone in our PPMC is aware of the vote delay problem and this thread. We have had numerous discussions about this topic since

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I informed our mentors. Can you point me to where the PPMC has a discussion about this? Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote

2019-05-18 Thread Adrian Cole
and I also said in the announcement that this was a concurrent vote. On Sat, May 18, 2019, 7:55 AM Adrian Cole wrote: > I informed our mentors. > > On Sat, May 18, 2019, 2:03 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> HI, >> >> Or better still if you want to try something new / not in line with >> policy