Re: To vote or not to vote

2007-06-08 Thread Craig L Russell
I've looked at the last several incubation proposals and none of them include the initial PPMC. This might have been voted but it's not currently practice nor Policy. Craig On Jun 8, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: That would be a task they have to undertake, not a right, although

Re: To vote or not to vote

2007-06-08 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 8, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I just read the Policy again, and it sure appears that acceptance of a podling by the Incubator is a lazy approval process. No vote occurs unless an incubator PMC member says hold. Read it again: Upon a successful result, the PMC Chair of

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:35 AM, Paul Fremantle wrote: My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. Well, yes, there have been three threads on this subject in the past month, having about 50 emails on the subject. Please see the incubator-general archives with

Re: [VOTE] Appoint Niclas Hedhman as Mentor to ODE

2007-06-07 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Craig On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Paul Fremantle wrote: $subject says it all. Here is my +1 -- Paul Fremantle Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oxygenating the Web Service Platform, www.wso2.com

Re: Monthly Board Reports

2007-06-06 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Thilo, On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Thilo Goetz wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: It's that time again. :-) Please start preparing and submitting your board reports. --- Noel I was looking at the reporting schedule to see if UIMA needs to report (we don't), and saw that recent

Re: [site] Introduce a 'Building a community guide'?

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:06 AM, Ted Husted wrote: On 6/4/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: none of the guides are policy - just stuff that people think might be helpful I'd suggest that Community Building Guide is not only helpful to podlings, but to any of our Projects at

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
that the PPMC gets the Apache Way. Craig On May 30, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text

Re: [VOTE] Retire Heraldry from incubation

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Craig On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:15:54 +0800, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is a vote to move the Heraldry project from active incubation to 'retired' status. Earlier this year the Heraldry project was reorganized in order to make another attempt at incubating an OpenID project.

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Niclas, On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 05 June 2007 07:48, Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Niclas, There is one issue that still bothers me about your proposed ways of voting. At some point, the nominee has to be asked, and accept, to become a committer. This would

Re: [jira] Updated: (INCUBATOR-57) In the PPMC guide, clarify how to vote in a new committer

2007-06-03 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Craig Russell (JIRA) wrote: [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57? page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Craig Russell updated INCUBATOR-57: --- Attachment: smime.p7s

Re: [site] Introduce a 'Building a community guide'?

2007-06-02 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martijn, I noticed this community building stuff in the graduation guide and thought that it was probably misplaced. I like the idea of a community building guide all by itself. Craig On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: I'm working on the graduation guide, and noticed

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-01 Thread Craig L Russell
this issue earlier. I'll take another stab at updating the ppmc guidance. Thanks, Craig On May 31, 2007, at 1:08 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Bill, On May 30, 2007, at 11:37 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: o The podling's developer

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
I'd like to discuss one detail of the process for new committers. On May 30, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: If the nominee is already an Apache committer on another project, the proposer asks the incubator PMC chair to update the authorization file to include the nominee

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Bill, On May 30, 2007, at 11:37 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martin, On May 30, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Martin Sebor wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: [...] So IMHO, best practice for podlings is to hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau for committer on the PPMC private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the PPMC private list, and then a formal [VOTE] on the private

PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text says Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding. If the vote is positive, and

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
that the PPMC gets the Apache Way. Craig On May 30, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
the second option. thanks for bringing this up. thanks, dims On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to open the discussion on the best practice referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. The reason

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
to be able to make the request to root, but I'd have to leave it up to infrastructure to decide if they can handle it. Craig Carl. Craig L Russell wrote: Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Yoav, On May 30, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a new committer on a podling, including references to the PPMC discussion and vote, I would be inclined to vote

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 30, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig Russell wrote: I'd like to open the discussion on the best practice referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. Personally, if I saw a vote on the

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jean, On May 30, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: Who can and who can

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
, at 3:37 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Jean, On May 30, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different

Re: Sending proposal to board: how to?

2007-05-29 Thread Craig L Russell
Nice graphics, tying in several of the key items and time lines. I like it. Craig On May 28, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: I've created a schedule for graduation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dashorst/517816086/ Is this accurate, and can it be used in the graduation guide?

Re: Sending proposal to board: how to?

2007-05-28 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martijn, Having read all the posts on this proposal, I have to say I like the idea of documenting a few things: 1. Having a pro-forma email message that prospective PMC chairs can edit, just to make sure all the information is in them; 2. Suggesting that the prospective PMC chair keep

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Wicket from the incubator

2007-05-26 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 24, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: [X ] +1 Recommend to the board to establish Apache Wicket [ ] -1 Do not recommend establishing Apache Wicket because... Craig Russell DB PMC, OpenJPA PMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://db.apache.org/jdo smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: [VOTE] second try Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-23 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 22, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: I've updated this proposal to explicitly include the possibility of a single Mentor. Since this change affects Policy, another vote is needed. Please review the changes in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ INCUBATOR-60 and vote

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-22 Thread Craig L Russell
, Craig L Russell wrote: Would this be ok? Change Mentors are chosen by the Sponsor to actively monitor the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its status to the Sponsor and the Incubator PMC. All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. A Mentor has

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-22 Thread Craig L Russell
it can easily be changed after the current proposal is implemented. Craig -Ted. On 5/21/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would this be ok? Change Mentors are chosen by the Sponsor to actively monitor the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its status

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-21 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Bill, On May 20, 2007, at 11:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Please review the changes in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-60 and vote to accept Just an FYI - I haven't followed the jira flow terribly well, mostly because it takes an order

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-21 Thread Craig L Russell
Would this be ok? Change Mentors are chosen by the Sponsor to actively monitor the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its status to the Sponsor and the Incubator PMC. All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. A Mentor has responsibilities toward the Incubator

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-21 Thread Craig L Russell
L Russell wrote: Would this be ok? Change Mentors are chosen by the Sponsor to actively monitor the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its status to the Sponsor and the Incubator PMC. All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. A Mentor has responsibilities toward

[VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-20 Thread Craig L Russell
Please review the changes in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ INCUBATOR-60 and vote to accept them. Since this is Incubator Policy, an affirmative vote is needed before changing. The JIRA issue has .html files to review in addition to the patch. [ ] +1 Accept the changes [ ] -1 Don't

Re: Todo or not todo: cc'ing podling-private@ when sending message to private@

2007-05-20 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martijn, On May 20, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: In the doc's for voting in a new PPMC member [1] it is stated that a message with the vote results should be sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Should the PPMC private list be on the CC list? If so, shall I provide a patch to

Re: OpenJPA graduation news

2007-05-20 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martijn, On May 20, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: Congratulations indeed. Please make notes as you move OpenJPA to its new home. I feel a guides/postgraduation.xml coming up :) Good idea. Craig Martijn On 5/19/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

OpenJPA graduation news

2007-05-19 Thread Craig L Russell
Congratulations to everyone involved in the OpenJPA project. OpenJPA is now an official Apache Top Level Project. The board approved the resolution that we voted on last week. There is a lot of administrivia to be done, and all this will be done over the course of the next several weeks.

Re: making project decisions with a small number of PMC members

2007-05-15 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Brett, +1 to most of what Leo says. I'd point out that the main purpose of the PPMC is to get the podling to the point of making decisions the Apache Way and the IPMC then ratifies the decisions. This model should allow the decisions to be made by the people who know and care the most,

Re: guides/graduation

2007-05-15 Thread Craig L Russell
PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think On 5/14/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm confused. Could someone put some alias names to these concepts? I thought we were talking about project-dev and project- user. What aliases are others referring to? Thanks, Craig On May 14

Re: guides/graduation

2007-05-14 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Yoav, I see your point. I'll try to incorporate the sentiment in the update. Thanks, Craig On May 14, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 5/14/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The community mailing list is open to all Apache committers. This is the right list

Re: guides/graduation

2007-05-14 Thread Craig L Russell
] wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 5/14/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The community mailing list is open to all Apache committers. This is the right list for questions about community and on community building. Subscriptions should be from an Apache email address. In my

Re: Site is inconsistent

2007-05-13 Thread Craig L Russell
Looks good to me now. Craig On May 13, 2007, at 4:03 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 5/12/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that the update of status of log4php wasn't done correctly. The site-publish/projects/log4php.html was updated instead of site-author/projects

guides/graduation

2007-05-13 Thread Craig L Russell
This section of the guides/graduation document has me a little puzzled: The community mailing list is open to all Apache committers. This is the right list for questions about community and on community building. Subscriptions should be from an Apache email address. In my experience, the

Re: Graduation T-Shirts

2007-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
I have a slightly different view of this. The phrase I survived the Incubator and all I got was this lousy T- shirt seem incongruous, and combining them doesn't quite work. I survived... stands alone. And I agree with Noel that the survival meme isn't quite the self- deprecating message

[VOTE][RESULT] Graduate OpenJPA to a Top Level Project

2007-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
The incubator vote passed. I will send a message to the board to consider the recommendation at the next board meeting. The following votes were recorded +1 in favor of recommending to the board that OpenJPA be graduated to a Top Level Project, with plenty of binding votes (7). Please see

Site is inconsistent

2007-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
It appears that the update of status of log4php wasn't done correctly. The site-publish/projects/log4php.html was updated instead of site-author/projects/log4php.xml It looks like carnold did the update. Is it possible that the site- author/projects/log4php.xml wasn't checked in? The right

Re: Graduation T-Shirts

2007-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jean, On May 12, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: I have a slightly different view of this. The phrase I survived the Incubator and all I got was this lousy T- shirt seem incongruous, and combining them doesn't quite work. I survived... stands alone

Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide

2007-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
I hope I don't get into the habit of replying to my own emails. Why not? On May 12, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: One substantive comment: Under the recommendation vote, I don't think a Mentor should start the vote in the community. It should be one of the PPMC members. I

Re: [VOTE] Graduate OpenJPA to a Top Level Project

2007-05-09 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Craig On May 8, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Dear Incubator, The OpenJPA podling respectfully requests the Incubator to consider its graduation to a Top Level Project. Please vote on recommending the attached draft board resolution. The vote will end in 72 hours, 2300

[VOTE] Graduate OpenJPA to a Top Level Project

2007-05-08 Thread Craig L Russell
Dear Incubator, The OpenJPA podling respectfully requests the Incubator to consider its graduation to a Top Level Project. Please vote on recommending the attached draft board resolution. The vote will end in 72 hours, 2300 hours PDT Friday 11-May-2007. [ ] +1 Recommend to the board to

Re: Graduation Guide [WAS Re: [VOTE][policy] Remove post-graduation check list from policy document]

2007-05-07 Thread Craig L Russell
/7/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The guides/graduation.html is absent from the left navbar. If you update the stylesheet so it appears there, then I'm ok with removing it. Maybe it belongs as a sub-bullet under Podling Guides as the last entry. it's just a draft ATM (which

Re: [PROPOSAL] Fix Release Distribution (Outside maven repo)

2007-05-07 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Robert, On May 7, 2007, at 12:04 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 5/7/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, +1 for getting this going. My only concern is the slightly ambiguous #7. I don't know that there is a standard layout for releases. It sure would be nice

[VOTE][RESULT] Graduate OpenJPA from incubation

2007-05-06 Thread Craig L Russell
The vote in the OpenJPA community to graduate from the incubator to a new top level project has completed. The vote thread can be viewed at [1] starting with message [2]. The next step is to prepare a vote for the incubator. +1 votes were recorded from: Craig Russell Patrick Linskey Marc

Re: [POLL] Incubator Maven Repository

2007-05-06 Thread Craig L Russell
[X ] use standard repositories [ ] relocate repositories under /www.apache.org/dist/incubator On May 6, 2007, at 4:57 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: incubator distributions need to be stored under /www/www.apache.org/ dist AFACT there are two reasonable options: either create repositories

Re: [VOTE][policy] Remove post-graduation check list from policy document

2007-05-06 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 with one comment. The guides/graduation.html is absent from the left navbar. If you update the stylesheet so it appears there, then I'm ok with removing it. Maybe it belongs as a sub-bullet under Podling Guides as the last entry. Craig On May 6, 2007, at 10:50 AM, robert burrell

Re: [PROPOSAL] Fix Release Distribution (Outside maven repo)

2007-05-06 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Robert, +1 for getting this going. My only concern is the slightly ambiguous #7. I don't know that there is a standard layout for releases. It sure would be nice. I really hate to bring up maven since the subject is clearly non- maven, but I expect many projects to build the source and

Re: [vote] (repost) Propose OpenEJB for graduation to a TLP

2007-05-03 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Craig On May 3, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Brett Porter wrote: After the previous discussion, the proposal has been amended to include the new wording. We will restart the vote. Please cast your votes on whether to recommend this proposal. Thanks, Brett (OpenEJB Mentor) Establish Apache

Re: Whose votes are binding

2007-04-27 Thread Craig L Russell
Actually, the list is just a bit out of date with regard to the list on committers/board/committee-info.txt. I believe that the list on the web site is not the authority, but the file that all committers have access to is authoritative. I'll update it shortly, but for now suffice to say

Trademark search for OpenJPA

2007-04-24 Thread Craig L Russell
I'm looking to complete the last open item on OpenJPA's incubation requirements, which is the trademark search. I've seen several unresponded messages over the past two years that no one can seem to find the free search button on nameprotect.com. I have to conclude that there is no free

Re: Trademark search for OpenJPA

2007-04-24 Thread Craig L Russell
. -Matthias On 4/24/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to complete the last open item on OpenJPA's incubation requirements, which is the trademark search. I've seen several unresponded messages over the past two years that no one can seem to find the free search button

Re: Renaming adffaces - trinidad

2007-04-21 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Noel, That was me, of course. I read the subversion manual where it states: svn mv a b is equivalent to svn del a; svn add b so I never made the history connection. I learned something (hope not to forget). Thanks, Craig On Apr 21, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Matthias

[VOTE][RESULT] Approve changing escalation to graduation in Incubator Policy

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
Binding votes in favor: Robert Burrell Donkin Paul Fremantle Davanum Srinivas Niclas Hedhman Carsten Ziegeler J Aaron Farr No 0 or -1 votes. I'll commit the patch. Craig On Apr 15, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: [ ] +1 approve the patch to change escalation to graduation

Missing update for site-publish?

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
When I updated my incubator trunk repository, I noticed [1] that there is an update for site-author/projects/index.html without a corresponding update for site-publish/projects/index.html. I can fix this by committing the site-publish/projects/index.html change, but I thought I'd ask if

site-author/projects/trinidad.xml changes

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Matthias, The trinidad.xml still refers to adffaces artifacts, e.g. a href=http://incubator.apache.org/adffaces/; Trinidad website/a and tdMailing lists/td tddev/td td a href=mailto:adffaces- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Missing update for site-publish?

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
clr% svn diff site-publish/projects/index.html Index: site-publish/projects/index.html === --- site-publish/projects/index.html(revision 530505) +++ site-publish/projects/index.html(working copy) @@ -445,7 +445,7 @@

Re: site-author/projects/trinidad.xml changes

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
, in svn, in jira and in mail as well. We changed the name and we promoted the podling as trinidad (like naming the jar artifacts). for the infrastructure we sorta agreed to keep it. thx, Matthias On 4/19/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matthias, The trinidad.xml still refers

Re: [Vote] Graduate Trinidad (to an Apache MyFaces subproject)

2007-04-19 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:03 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4/19/07, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/19/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I think the adffaces.html MUST contain information that the project changed name to Trinidad good catch 8-) Agree

[VOTE] Approve changing escalation to graduation in Incubator Policy

2007-04-15 Thread Craig L Russell
[ ] +1 approve the patch to change escalation to graduation in Incubator Policy [ ] -1 don't approve the patch I've attached the JIRA reference [1] and formatted html page [2] so you don't need to apply the patch to see what it will do. There are broken links because the page is not in

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Leo, Please take my comments as trying to really understand your concerns. On Apr 12, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Leo Simons wrote: There's just this one little tidbit - if the IPMC votes to *release* something, that something should then actually be released. Release has a specific meaning and

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-10 Thread Craig L Russell
I'm confused. The Process Description [1] seems to be clear: The Mentor is automatically made a member of the Incubator PMC, and reports to both the PMC and the Sponsor about your overall health and suitability for eventual inclusion within the Apache Community (or recommendation to

Fwd: [repo] /www/people.apache.org/repo/m2-incubating-repository/

2007-04-08 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Mike, Something is wrong with the openjpa release process. Artifacts should not be uploaded to the repository until they are voted out of the project. Until they are ready, you should stage the proposed release, sign it, and after you're sure it's ready to go, call for a review on the

Re: [repo] /www/people.apache.org/repo/m2-incubating-repository/

2007-04-08 Thread Craig L Russell
this to the official maven-gpg-plugin at some point). On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Mike, Something is wrong with the openjpa release process. Artifacts should not be uploaded to the repository until they are voted out of the project. Until they are ready, you should

Re: [repo] /www/people.apache.org/repo/m2-incubating-repository/

2007-04-08 Thread Craig L Russell
of the things that gave me pause during the last release about deploying to one location and then manually moving the approved artifacts over to the official repository. On Apr 8, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Other projects use the people.apache.org/~mikedd/xxx

Re: [repo] /www/people.apache.org/repo/m2-incubating-repository/

2007-04-08 Thread Craig L Russell
on the team list for the maven-release plugin). I sent him an email asking about it. In any event the release plugin warrants a closer look. On 4/8/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc, I'll plead ignorance on this. I'd like to have some feedback from the maven incubator experts here

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCF proposal

2007-04-05 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 5, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Martin Sebor wrote: Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Well, incubator policy is able to contradict itself on one and the same page: FWIW, the two statements aren't contradictory. At least one doesn't imply not all. The second requirement is simply a strengthening

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-05 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Niclas, On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:08, Craig L Russell wrote: I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't understand what the point is of having

Re: Question about the PMC structure for graduating projects

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Matt, The last official act of the PPMC is to graduate the project from the incubator. By that time, it should have learned how to govern itself. While there is no policy, I believe that graduation is a good time to take stock of the PPMC membership and committers and decide who will

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:01, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: As a mentor, I do obviously approve this process. +1 (non-binding, as I am not an Incubator PMC member. As I understand, if this proposal goes through, I do become one, don't

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 23:58, Craig L Russell wrote: On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: AFAIK, you *must* be on the IPMC to be a mentor. Actually, according to Incubator policy [1] it's the other way around. Upon

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martin Ritchie wrote: Thanks for this discussion. So just to clarify, anyone on the PPMC can request the account/karma setup just the IPMC needs to be CC'd as well as the usual PPMC on the root email.

Incubator policy

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
;-) CU in Amsterdam ;) -Matthias On 4/4/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 23:58, Craig L Russell wrote: On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: AFAIK, you *must* be on the IPMC to be a mentor

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 1:54 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4/4/07, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. No, the idea of the incubator is to make

Re: OpenEJB as TLP [was;[proposal] OpenEJB Graduation Proposal]

2007-04-03 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Niclas, On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 03 April 2007 12:19, Brett Porter wrote: The OpenEJB PPMC would like to take feedback on the following graduation proposal before putting it to a vote by the incubator PMC. Before voting officially on this, I would

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-03-28 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Robert, From my reading of the incubator PPMC guide, the guide only talks about the process up to the point where the PPMC votes to offer commit privileges to a new member. It then links to the PMC document that Martin refers to. It's not documented in the PMC document how to apply

Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating

2007-03-28 Thread Craig L Russell
On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:22 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 3/28/07, George Aroush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, Thanks for taking your time and looking at this release. To answer your questions: The files *.csproj, and *.sln are the Visual Studio.NET project files -- those are

Re: March Board reports due

2007-03-26 Thread Craig L Russell
I neglected to put into the OpenJPA report that the report was reviewed by clr, kwsutter, mprudhom, and ekoneil. Thanks, Craig On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2007 Any last comments before I post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OpenJPA status report for the Apache Board

2007-03-23 Thread Craig L Russell
This is the OpenJPA status report for the board for the three month period ending Mar 2007. === OpenJPA === OpenJPA made good progress this quarter in all areas. The project has many active committers all driving toward improving functionality, stability, performance, and usability.

Re: Some help with Lucene.Net release

2007-03-18 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi George, It would be best if someone already in the Apache web of trust you know personally, or who can meet you in person and verify your bonafides would volunteer to sign your key. There are half a dozen people in the Mass Bay Area according to the map below [1]. By the way, there is

Re: Some help with Lucene.Net release

2007-03-18 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi George, I'm not in a position to either approve or veto your release, but without anyone in Apache signing your pgp key it looks bad. You might try contacting the half-dozen Apache folks in Boston directly by email, or see if anyone on this incubator list is willing to sign your key.

Re: Some help with Lucene.Net release

2007-03-18 Thread Craig L Russell
Yoav, you are a mensch. Craig On Mar 18, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, George: +1 (binding) to you releasing right away. I live in the Boston area and am always available to meet up, say hi, and sign your PGP key if you so desire. Yoav On 3/18/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL

Re: [VOTE] Should we treat incubator releases differently to normal releases

2007-03-16 Thread Craig L Russell
Also straddling the fence, but have thought about this a lot. After seeing the release process for incubating projects, I'd say that they get sufficient scrutiny compared to TLP releases. So we're not putting Apache in a bad legal position by releasing incubating software. The only danger

Re: Difference between Maven repository and dist directory

2007-03-16 Thread Craig L Russell
On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/16/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 3/16/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is everyone in ASF willing to be comfortable with the ASF stamp of approval on a project that might still be in the process of

Re: Killing the incubator m2 repository

2007-03-16 Thread Craig L Russell
On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: And remember that the release early, release often mantra can not be applied on podlings, given the pain to release a project in incubation. I have a very different take on this. If a podling has difficulty releasing as often as they

Re: JAX-WS TCK and CXF 2.0 release

2007-03-13 Thread Craig L Russell
IANAL, but I have some experience with TCKs. You should be fine with releasing CXF as long as you don't claim compliance with a JSR whose TCK you don't pass. You would want to carefully review the documentation to make the non-compliance clear wherever the relevant JSRs are mentioned. So

Re: svn commit: r516738 - in /incubator/lucene.net/trunk/C#/src: HISTORY.txt Lucene.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs

2007-03-11 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi George, On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:45 AM, George Aroush wrote: Hi Craig, I have been reading http://www.apache.org/dev/release-signing.html and Googled about the public-key. What I haven't been able to figure out is how to create the public-key You create your private key and public key

Re: PPMC docs query

2007-03-10 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:26 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 1/28/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:26 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On 1/25/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only votes cast by (P)PMC members are binding. If the vote is

Re: svn commit: r516738 - in /incubator/lucene.net/trunk/C#/src: HISTORY.txt Lucene.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs

2007-03-10 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi George, You should upload your public GPG key to a well-known GPG server such as http://pgp.mit.edu/. You will also need to put your key into the KEYS file in the release directory. Other resources you might look at include http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html

Re: Initial composition of the PPMC

2007-03-01 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Noel, Thanks for the additional insights. I'm trying to help set expectations for new podlings as they enter Apache and there appear to be some holes I'd like to patch. Please take this as an offer to help, and not criticism. On Mar 1, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig

Re: [Vote] Abdera v0.2.2

2007-02-19 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote: On 2/19/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Your quarterly report mentions possibly legal issues related to crypto. What are the issues? We need to file a export notification

Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance

2007-02-17 Thread Craig L Russell
issue today! Craig On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Brian, On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: -1 (NOT binding) The document still contains

Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance

2007-02-15 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http:// incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been recorded and I would like to move forward with the import. Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each

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