Re: Export Notification - Using BouncyCastle in Tuscany Rel 1.0

2007-09-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Kevan Miller wrote: There was a discussion earlier this year about Tuscany, BouncyCastle, and a patented IDEA algorithm implemented by BouncyCastle -- http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200702.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] FWIW, the IDEA patent expires on 25-05-2010. I

FastFeather and ApacheCon - incubator's place to shine!

2007-09-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Hello incubator committers! You should have received an email from me if you are a committer, sent on 8/17, encouraging you to attend ApacheCon US 2007. You might or might not know that early registration discounts are extended still until September 22nd, so you have a week and a half still to

Re: Blue Sky Distance Collaboration System_Proposal Draft

2007-09-06 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
t.peng.dev wrote: Ok, according to prior meeting of our team, we prefer Apache license. In that case... Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 31 August 2007 09:50, t.peng.dev wrote: BSDCS depends on API provided by FFMpeg, it use GPL. This is probably a big issue, and you will most likely

[board feedback] Signing Java Jars

2007-08-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
The board took up this subject briefly at our Aug 29th meeting. Below is the board's feedback; Marshall Schor wrote: Apache signing, to my knowledge, doesn't require use of a certificate authority. Apache projects post trusted signatories in a KEYS or equivalent file within the

Re: [MENTORS] Heads up, Identifying Mentors

2007-07-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
[Do Not Reply] The Incubator PMC is in the process of soliciting a survey of active mentors on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, so that we can determine if the volunteer mentors are engaged and present. We are sending this as a reminder to all mentors to follow that discussion. It goes without

Re: Discuss: Package Naming for Incubator Release of River

2007-07-22 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: IMHO, unless there are trademark or licensing issues involved, there should be no Apache rules about Java package naming schemes. Package names are an arbitrary implementation detail, and the one and only concern should be what makes the most sense to the individual

Missing log4net

2007-07-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Note log4net did not report in June. Status? A report this month would be appreciated. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Missing log4net

2007-07-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 11 July 2007 16:01, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Note log4net did not report in June. Status? A report this month would be appreciated. I removed log4net from reporting schedule, since we voted to graduate it in February. So, I don't think they were

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ODE to a Top Level Project

2007-07-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Matthieu Riou wrote: This is a vote to recommend Apache ODE for graduation as a top level project to the Apache Board. Just one quick comment; it's never necessary to include [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have cc'ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] (And yes - graduation votes etc do belong on general@ :)

Re: Incubator new committer redux

2007-07-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: I agree that the Incubator should groom the PPMC toward self-governance. But that doesn't mean that the Incubator PMC can avoid its responsibilities. +1 Thus I'm in favor of only ONE vote. That's why I proposed that a vote occur simultaneously on both private

Re: Incubator new committer redux

2007-07-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Daniel Kulp wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 17:56, Craig L Russell wrote: The thread has died down with no consensus, so I'm going to try again. Regarding how a Podling can get a new to Apache committer. First, the rules: 1. Only the Incubator PMC can vote in a new committer, with three +1

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Gilles Scokart wrote: It solve your problem of IPMC not being able to participate/follow PPMC private discusion An other benefits is that the PPMC will learn from their own private discussion, but also from the discussion of other PPMC. There is no issue. Members have access to every

STDCXX progress to graduation

2007-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I'm including general in this thread to give the incubator community some small insight into stdcxx's efforts and next steps to graduate. As far as I can see there are no remaining obstacles. http://incubator.apache.org/stdcxx/ is of a caliber higher than expected in open source efforts, the

STDCXX progress to graduation

2007-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
[How's that for optimism? please not corrected stdcxx-dev list address] I'm including general in this thread to give the incubator community some small insight into stdcxx's efforts and next steps to graduate. As far as I can see there are no remaining obstacles.

Re: STDCXX progress to graduation

2007-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: diversity is increasing (we wish it were broader, but I suspect this project with the visibility of full ASF status will attract additional committers who might have been hedging their bets on whether or not the project would survive

Re: [Graduation Apparel] Logo

2007-06-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
J Aaron Farr wrote: Something like this? http://people.apache.org/~farra/graduated.png Fun :) But it looks like a graduating graphic (yes - let's keep it!) For graduate-d- I'm thinking something that looks more hached - maybe with it's head already peering out of the cracked shell? Or

Incubator reports due

2007-06-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
This is due to board@ with PMC oversight/feedback 12 hours from now. Oversight implies at least three reviewers of each report. According to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule and already recorded in http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2007 ... Ode OpenEJB

Re: Check of project name for trademark issues

2007-06-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Registration of Trademarks in itself are not very expensive, so Jayasoft could register it and donate it to the ASF, as an additional safe guard. However, ASF will not be able to 'protect' the mark and hence it might be lost in the future, but at least someone else

Re: Check of project name for trademark issues

2007-06-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: However we aren't likely to waste time/money fighting over a patent where we clearly infringed in the first place, so registering Apache Illustrator (to borrow your example) is sort of pointless. We would be likely to lose on ambiguity and similarity, so why fight such a

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
All very good suggestions. ant elder wrote: How about changing it so; (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is starting on the poddling's private list so IPMCers can participate in that discussion; (2) when the actual vote happens the incubator is

Re: NMS

2007-06-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/7/07, John O'Hara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AMQP itself was designed mostly based on IETF concepts which are unencumbered (like smtp, nntp, nfs). This is not true going forward as the IETF specifically permits (and, some may say, encourages) encumbered standards

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-05 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Richard S. Hall wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: I don't know all the communities around ASF, but what I have seen is that the acceptance/decline happens after the public vote. Entries to PMCs seems more like private vote - accept/decline - welcome in the communities I know of. Mind you, my

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Sebor wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: How could a PPMC participate in a vote on the Incubator PMC's private list? It cannot, and I don't believe I implied that this would be the case. The idea is that the PPMC, with the help of the Mentors, conducts a discussion and a vote just as

Re: [VOTE] Retire Heraldry from incubation

2007-06-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
+1 on retirement. J Aaron Farr wrote: This is a vote to move the Heraldry project from active incubation to 'retired' status. Earlier this year the Heraldry project was reorganized in order to make another attempt at incubating an OpenID project. Unfortunately, the reconstituted podling

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's developer list. This is a good approach if you are sure of

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Bill, On May 30, 2007, at 11:37 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-29 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Yoav Shapira wrote: On 5/29/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought (and the documentation at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html) says PPMC votes are binding. There were plenty of PPMC +1 votes without my vote. If I'm wrong, it (a) sucks because other PPMC

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-29 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Yoav Shapira wrote: That's not true. Practically speaking, mentors may not have time to review an issue that other PPMC members have had plenty of time to review and vote upon. That's true, but we are overseeing their -process- not always the details. I have a great deal of confidence in

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-29 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2007 07:15, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: LEGALLY PPMC votes mean zilch; this is because the board did not charter or compose the PPMC, doesn't decompose it, doesn't even oversee it per say. And a majority of decisions within a (P)PMC has no legal

Re: [VOTE] Change Mentor to Mentors in Incubator Policy

2007-05-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: Please review the changes in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-60 and vote to accept Just an FYI - I haven't followed the jira flow terribly well, mostly because it takes an order of magnitude longer in time to parse a Jira incident rather than approve a

Re: AWOL Mentors? (was: BOF Summary)

2007-05-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 08 May 2007 04:04, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: how many mentors do we have, who should they be, and what is it they do? Yes - this is pretty well spelled out, but it comes up again. Can we expect a certain level of activity/response from them? Should we ask

Questions raised by May report

2007-05-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
* I'm qurious about http://incubator.apache.org/stdcxx/#committers. Why some people are following CTR and others RTC? quoting that page Stdcxx Committers are Developers with commit (or write) access to the stdcxx codebase. Except where noted, all stdcxx committers follow the Review-Then-Commit

Re: Questions raised by May report

2007-05-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: * I'm qurious about http://incubator.apache.org/stdcxx/#committers. Why some people are following CTR and others RTC? quoting that page Stdcxx Committers are Developers with commit (or write) access to the stdcxx codebase. Except where noted, all stdcxx

Re: Graduation T-Shirts

2007-05-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 5/13/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 12, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: or Our project {hatched|graduated} from the Apache Incubator and all I got was this lousy T-shirt either hatched or graduated would be a more

Re: May 2007 Board reports

2007-05-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Matthias Wessendorf wrote: I noticed that some reports from some podlings are missing. What happens `? They are the first against the wall when the revolution comes? Seriously, we need reports to oversee each of our communities, so these projects 1. land squarely on the radar, 2. are

Re: [PROPOSAL] Fix Release Distribution (Outside maven repo)

2007-05-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: infra requires that all releases are contained within /www/www.apache.org/dist/. here's my proposal for fixing the current situation for standard (non-maven) releases: 1 clarify policy (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-62) 2 explain policy in

Re: [VOTE][policy] Remove post-graduation check list from policy document

2007-05-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: the current policy document unnecessarily specifies actions to be done after graduation. i would like to see these removed from policy and replaced by a link to the graduation guide. agree/ What has to happen beyond and outside of incubator isn't actually our

Re: [POLL] Incubator Maven Repository

2007-05-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Xavier Hanin wrote: On 5/6/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is already a concern for existing projects coming from outside Apache. It is completely and easily possible to become dependent on both org.apache.wicket/wicket-1.3.0-incubating-beta1.jar and

Re: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports

2007-05-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2007 RCF Tika TSIK aren't in the list at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule so I'm a bit confused. If they don't report - please remove

Re: [RESULT] Add Rupert Smith as a Qpid Committer

2007-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Carl Trieloff wrote: Please could a IPMC member help us with the IPMC 3rd vote for this committer I presume the Qpid PPMC raised no objections. +1, welcome Rupert. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [RESULT] Add Kevin Smith as a Qpid Committer

2007-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Carl Trieloff wrote: Please could a IPMC member help us with the IPMC 3rd vote for this committer I presume the Qpid PPMC raised no objections. +1, welcome Kevin. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [RESULT] Add Tomas Restrepo as a Qpid Committer

2007-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Carl Trieloff wrote: Please could a IPMC member help us with the IPMC 3rd vote for this committer I presume the Qpid PPMC raised no objections. +1, welcome Tomas. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4/13/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: On 4/12/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mentors are elected to the IPMC by the proposal approval vote Elected by being nominated to the iPMC through an iPMC

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: If the podling discovers something else that's wrong, or for some other reason decides not to release, are you suggesting that somehow the IPMC is going to go and release it anyway? To clarify - the RM, whomever created the tarball, always has the last word until they

Re: Mentors and members

2007-04-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Leo Simons wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: to actively lead in the discharge of their duties (listed above). I don't see that list. It's a confusing sentence to me. Mentors work to make sure no mentoring is needed, i.e. make sure that the podling becomes a

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: I'm confused. The Process Description [1] seems to be clear: The Mentor is automatically made a member of the Incubator PMC, and reports to both the PMC and the Sponsor about your overall health and suitability for eventual inclusion within the Apache Community (or

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: On 4/9/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there is nothing stopping individuals from becoming a contributor. I guess my point is that mentorship isn't a privilege, and shouldn't be viewed as a feather in one's cap. We need active mentors, not those who

Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating

2007-04-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg problem. Without releases no users, without users no developers, without developers no releases. Somehow it also feels to me that either dotNet has no credibility at ASF, or that ASF has no credibility

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: As to a podling proposal, I would suggest that we expect all Mentors be ASF Members or IPMC Members. If someone would like to be a Mentor but is not already a ASF Member, we could always elect that person to the IPMC first, and then accept the proposal. Keep in mind ASF

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])

2007-04-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: On 4/9/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can give me some counter examples of why non ASF member mentorship is a positive thing, I'd certainly consider those. It seems inconsistent to me that we would say to someone, yes, you have earned sufficient

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCF proposal

2007-04-05 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 06 April 2007 05:44, Jean T. Anderson wrote: I had recalled this being discussed before [1] because Cayenne had a mentor who was not a member. So we are talking about a couple of variants; 1. An ASF Member. 2. An IPMC member. 3. A PMC member of the

Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCF proposal

2007-04-05 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 06 April 2007 12:03, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Mentors must be on the iPMC, most iPMC members are ASF members (very rare that it is otherwise, Yes, I have noticed that ;o) But I am one such rare case, so I see the distinction, and since an ASF Member

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Ritchie wrote: Thanks for this discussion. So just to clarify, anyone on the PPMC can request the account/karma setup just the IPMC needs to be CC'd as well as the usual PPMC on the root email. infra only acknowledges requests from the PMC chair (iPMC chair in this case). For

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the ASF is probably a better description. E.g. here's

Re: Question about the PMC structure for graduating projects

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: I'd suggest you have the discussion about the future composition of the PMC as a group, using the dev list as a vehicle. You might find out that there are committers who would like to take part in the PMC. I strongly suggest that you include all committers who have

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jean T. Anderson wrote: huh? The instructions [1] say The project PMC needs to send an email to root. It doesn't say the project PMC chair. Since root can easily verify pmc members from committee-info.txt [2], I don't see why any member of the PMC cannot submit the request. Whoops :) The

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 03:33, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: Currently, there is only one active commiter (me) and no active mentors. This causes some issues with the project. As a way of promoting the project and possibly get more people interested in contributing, it's my

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niklas Gustavsson wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: (FYI - were I a Java fan - I'd be there for you :) Certainly not biased towards httpd-mod_ftp v.s. FtpServer - I think it's great that both are at the ASF. Strictly my own language-bias.) I have the same language-bias (or is it maybe

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
It's a problem though, when there is only one committer on the code. I encourage you to approach both the Tomcat and Jakarta communities to attract some additional hackers! We (Incubator PMC) won't permit a release when there are fewer than three sets of eyeballs on the -code-, because by

Re: [VOTE] Accept Revised Heraldry ACL

2007-03-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Leung wrote: The new ACL list will include: David Recordon (recordond) Johannes Ernst (jernst) Matt Pelletier (mattpelletier) Dan Quellhorst (quellhorst) The set of mentors for Heraldry is now: Aaron Farr Ted Leung Bill Rowe [+1] +1 accept the new Heraldry ACL and PPMC [

Re: Revised Heraldry commit ACL

2007-03-28 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Leung wrote: In order for Heraldry to continue there needs to be enough of the code committers who want to continue, +1 and 3 or 4 is a little small in my eyes. I really do not want to be back in this situation again in a few months. 3 actual committers is *fine*. (3 proposed

Re: March Board reports due

2007-03-22 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
J Aaron Farr wrote: And if the ReportingSchedule is accruate, we're missing: * mod_ftp -- graduated into httpd. * log4php -- was this folded? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

2007-03-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 3/21/07, Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also point out that I am currently the only mentor for Heraldry, and I'm not willing to continue without some other people jumping in to help. When I originally agreed to mentor Heraldry, I did it thinking that

Re: Incentive for Graduation

2007-03-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
And zero incentive to ever graduate. The point is that we've taken this position because an incubating project ISN'T permitted to operate or publicize as an ASF Project. It's accepted, but the podling is accepted provisionally. Abuse of the Apache name results in ejection of the podling. We

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] IBM and Covalent contribution of J2G conversion tool

2007-03-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Paul McMahan wrote: consensus if no -1 votes are cast within the next 48 hours. The convention is 72 hours; three days is a constant factor that accounts for weekends and other real-life issue. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] IBM and Covalent contribution of J2G conversion tool

2007-03-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jean T. Anderson wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Paul McMahan wrote: consensus if no -1 votes are cast within the next 48 hours. The convention is 72 hours; three days is a constant factor that accounts for weekends and other real-life issue. The 48 hours comes from step 7 in the ip

Re: Killing the incubator m2 repository

2007-03-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Henri Yandell wrote: Interested in what other views are there. My view: * Not mirroring tar.gz releases is dumb. Infra aren't worried about the bandwidth and it's pointless to not put things on mirrors. I'll concur. * Pulling releases because something didn't graduate is bad. I laugh -

Re: [VOTE][Retry] Approve the release of Apache UIMA 2.1.0-incubating

2007-03-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Marshall Schor wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Overall the release looks good to me. I verified the *.asc signatures and looked more closely at uimaj-2.1.0-incubating-src.tar.gz . I noticed just one thing that struck me as odd in the user documentation. The UIMA

Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

2007-02-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jim Jagielski wrote: The question is whether or not an entity which is not an official ASF project (a podling) can release code that is an official release. IMO, the answer is NO and that is why the Incubator is, in fact, the releasing entity. So YES, it is official since the Incubator said

Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

2007-02-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jim Jagielski wrote: The question is whether or not an entity which is not an official ASF project (a podling) can release code that is an official release. IMO, the answer is NO SO ... anything the podling wants to consider for release belongs in incubator.a.o/dev/dist/podling/ (or

Re: [Vote] Graduate mod_ftp (to an httpd subproject)

2007-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Because everyone always seems to add their /metoo right after the vote results are released, I'll post a quick status now, and close the vote at the T+4:12:00:00 mark, a little more than 4 1/2 hours from now ;-) William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: (With the addition of Nick Kew's late +1) attached

Re: [Result] was: [Vote] Graduate mod_ftp (to an httpd subproject)

2007-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Houston - I believe we have liftoff! [EMAIL PROTECTED] podling Vote Thread Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] podling Vote Summary Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 binding +1 votes (and 1 nonbinding +1) by mod_ftp to exit the incubator as an httpd sub-project. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Terminate log4php

2007-02-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Curt Arnold wrote: Acting only as mentor and Incubator PMC member and not on behalf of the Logging Services PMC, I request that the Incubator PMC terminate the log4php incubation. The source code should continue to be available from the Subversion, though possibly in a different location to

Re: [VOTE] log4net graduation

2007-02-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Curt Arnold wrote: The log4net-dev community appears healthy and I believes warrants graduation from the incubator and has my +1 as mentor and incubator PMC member. +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [PROPOSAL] Uniform Project Procedures

2007-02-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Curt Arnold wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/general@incubator.apache.org/msg12442.html) suggest to me that it may be good for the Incubator project to oversee a collaboration to produce a Uniform Project Procedures that podlings, newly graduated projects and established projects could adopt

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache XAP 0.3.0

2007-02-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 2/9/07, Bob Buffone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incubator, Apache XAP has released version 0.3.0, this is the inaugural release of the project. With the help of Robert, Cliff and the whole Xapian community we have worked through development, testing, licensing

Re: [discussion] Graduating a subproject

2007-02-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: Well, I think we need to be sure we don't create a catch 22 here. The incubator depends on the project's future PMC accepting it, and the future PMC depends on the incubator graduating it. Yes. I think the vote by the project says 'yes, what you incubated will fit

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: As noted by James Margaris, yourself, Bertrand, et al, this does not actually address the issue where someone is committing co-workers' work, rather than having the co-workers participating on-list. It does when the project pushes back; but I concur... We are

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 2/3/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they aren't a committer yet, they post a patch (jira or list) just like every other wannabe future committer. When the volume and quality are reasonable

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: please reread carefully the actual comment Gotcha - more of what I agreed with deeper into your post. In the first case, the reason is that patches should be publicly offered and not privately back-channeled, iCLA or no. We don't have svnmongers here. Future

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: Please give me a case where back channel commits are permitted under the proposed commit policy? the wording does not make clear the intention of the rule for example, i post: feature X is totally fantastic and i've attached some code that nearly implements

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: I think the real issue here is off-list discussions. Third is, yes. The other two thirds... So long as the commit is above-board, properly documentation in the Subversion log, and backed by a ICLA when applicable, I don't see what difference posting it to JIRA first

Re: [VOTE] TripleSoup - a SPARQL endpoint for httpd

2007-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Leo Simons wrote: Hi all, This is a vote on a previously posted proposal to start a rdf database server project at apache. The entire proposal text is included below. There is only one change from the one posted to the [proposal] thread -- we will start without a triplesoup-users@ mailing

[Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I believe many projects practice this policy, although it's unwritten, and perhaps there are others who don't (and probably deserve some scrutiny to determine if it's helpful or harmful). I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator; Where the project policy permits

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
James Margaris wrote: -1 from me. (If I even have a vote...) Although only ASF members/Incubator PMC votes are 'counted', yes everyone here has a voice - we do appreciate everyone's input. So should every podling. If I want to check in some third party code with a proper license, I don't

Re: resigning from incubator pmc

2007-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: I am too far underwater to keep track of the incubator mail, so there is no point in continuing to be on the PMC. I'll probably be back some day when I have a reason to justify the time and focus. /salute Thanks Roy - we all look forward to having you back. Till then

Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry

2007-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Sorry to be blunt. Can it! - That's what we did with TSIK. There's no point continuing incubation. We are not here to serve the interests of parties/corporations. Dims - I agree with you, with fair warning. It's clear that the committers and actual authors are still

Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry

2007-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Recordon, David wrote: Hi all, As Ted mentioned there was a thread started yesterday by Kevin Turner ( http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-heraldry-dev/200701.m box/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) about how JanRain really is now committed to moving all of their work into the Heraldry

Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry

2007-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Bill, do you have some cycles to spare helping out with this project? I'll periodically poke my nose in to help - but it won't be in the next three weeks. I'll certainly observe enough to offer them some thoughts for their 1/month report updates, in terms of moving

Re: Dormant/retired codebases

2006-12-27 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
phoenix.apache.org? Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 12/24/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually ... what if we were to establish an area under incubator/, which we need anyway for podlings that get retired, and allow whichever PMCs are currently responsible for them to move all

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, River (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-27 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Is this about competing podlings? or existing projects/new podlings? The Competing Projects thread is a general umbrella of how the incubator should approach any two proposed podlings that overlap in scope, or a proposed podling that overlaps in scope with an existing

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, River (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-25 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the defensive and in the mind set of oh, if there's a competing project, we won't accept you. The fact that there's a project already here that

Re: Request to be added to Incubator PMC

2006-12-22 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Phil Steitz wrote: I would like to join the Incubator PMC. I am an ASF member and, pending a positive acceptance vote, will be serving as a mentor for the new River project. Such requests from ASF Members should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and Noel's empowered to act on them directly.

Re: release voting

2006-12-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: If an officer believes that a release package should be vetoed for legal reasons, then they should inform infrastructure to remove the release from distribution. Take that one step further... s/officer/officer or member/ Any PMC member who discovers a legal violation

Re: [VOTE] Apache Felix 0.8.0 Incubator Release

2006-12-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jim Jagielski wrote: As long as 3 people within the PMC attest to its validity, the release can go out. AFAIK, only a legal veto can block a release. In most cases, of course, the community listens and responds to any -1 votes and tries to address them, if need be. Ignoring -1's is bad

Re: Packaging for distribution - replacement for InstallShield functionality?

2006-11-22 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Andrew McIntyre wrote: There is a large body of usage outside the ASF that is documented on the NSIS website as well. As for other Windows-only options, httpd distributes an MSI installer for Windows, but I have no knowledge of how that is actually generated. InstallShield. Actually, IS did

Re: [VOTE WITHDRAWN] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote: For the purposes of closure, I am officially withdrawing this vote for the openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release while we make the changes that Robert mentions. We expect that a new vote will be started for the 0.9.6-incubating release Remember version numbers are

Re: Including snapshot dependencies from other ASF projects

2006-11-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Ritchie wrote: Do you wait for them to release? Yes Or ship patched, with a patch that is approved with the release. But that's usually not the best choice if you can get some traction at the project that has the flaw. It raises an interesting question, can ASF project X 'release'

Re: [Fwd: [VOTE] Ratify Tuscany PPMC vote to release DAS for Java M2 artifacts]

2006-11-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 11/14/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I withdraw my -1. Ditto. -- justin Heh - we had no -1 to withdraw, I agreed with you Justin that lazy concensus is wrong, but we hadn't put a -1 to the actual release. That's why I replied to your note and

Re: [Fwd: [VOTE] Ratify Tuscany PPMC vote to release DAS for Java M2 artifacts]

2006-11-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 11/14/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than 72 hours have passed, and presumably everybody on the incubator PMC that cares to vote has done so (Thanks Robert!). Please proceed with the release. If anybody objects to this process, point them my way.

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