Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-26 Thread Jim Jagielski
, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components = Zeta Components is a high-quality library of loosely coupled PHP components. - Proposal - The Zeta project was originally named *eZ Components* [1]_ and was developed as an open source

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-23 Thread Andrew Hart
://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components = Zeta Components is a high-quality library of loosely coupled PHP components. - Proposal - The Zeta project was originally named *eZ

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-23 Thread Andrew Hart
/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components = Zeta Components is a high-quality library of loosely coupled PHP components. - Proposal - The Zeta project was originally named *eZ Components* [1]_ and was developed as an open

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-23 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leo, On 04/23/2010 12:40 AM, Leo Simons wrote: On 4/22/10 10:21 AM, Tobias Schlitt wrote: I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history has been cleared.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: I actually expected that some mentors would volunteer during the discussion here. Yes, that is normally the case... Question is whether people feel too over-committed, and we have a short-fall of Mentors. I would love

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history has been cleared. Are there further comments, suggestions, objections? Thanks a lot for your feedback,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history has been cleared. Are there further comments, suggestions, objections? I read it again and like the update. Only: Required Resources The current project

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christian, On 04/22/2010 12:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history has been cleared. Are there further comments,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, it sounds good, I have no more objections. On CI, lets see how it works out :-) Cheers! Christian On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christian, On 04/22/2010 12:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

RE: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Gav...
-Original Message- From: Tobias Schlitt [mailto:tob...@schlitt.info] Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2010 9:55 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Christian Grobmeier Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 04/22/2010 02:43 PM, Gav... wrote: snip The CI stuff is secondary to get started, since we will also have external CI. We can take care of that as soon as we are incubated, I think. Incubation periods vary, it could be 3 months, 6, a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Kore Nordmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/04/10 16:27, Tobias Schlitt wrote: I think we should do that on the builds@ list later, since I'm not sure how to exactly do CI with our stuff in ASF environment, yet. We have a custom test suite, based on PHPUnit, and require some PHP

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?

2010-04-22 Thread Leo Simons
On 4/22/10 10:21 AM, Tobias Schlitt wrote: I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history has been cleared. Are there further comments, suggestions, objections? Very nicely written proposal, well done! Looks

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-21 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available in the wiki:        http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-21 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, On 04/21/2010 08:26 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components (issue tracker)

2010-04-21 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, we talked a bit about the issue tracker stuff and came to the conclusion that we'd go with Jira. The point of having issues central in ASF infra is quite striking and we agree here, that we don't want issues to be tracked on an external

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components (issue tracker)

2010-04-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: ...I read on the infra pages, that our website is required to be generated static HTML content. This is fine for us, since the desired systems does basically do this. But I wounder how really dynamic stuff is handeled

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components (issue tracker)

2010-04-21 Thread Daniel S. Haischt
actually blogs are done using apache roller as you may figure from the below URL. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: ...I read on the infra pages, that our website is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components (issue tracker)

2010-04-21 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 04/21/2010 12:43 PM, Daniel S. Haischt wrote: actually blogs are done using apache roller as you may figure from the below URL. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components (issue tracker)

2010-04-21 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 6:38:09 am Tobias Schlitt wrote I read on the infra pages, that our website is required to be generated static HTML content. This is fine for us, since the desired systems does basically do this. But I wounder how really dynamic stuff is handeled here? E.g. having a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available in the wiki:        http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Erik Abele
On Apr 19, 2010, at 15:52, Tobias Schlitt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal +1! Yeah, I know it's

RE: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Gav...
@incubator.apache.org Cc: Derick Rethans; Kore Nordmann; Sebastian Bergmann; Ole Marius Smestad; Roland Benedetti Subject: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
An excellent well thought out, complete proposal, with none of the usual copying of previous proposals with a bit of tweaking. Just one note: Required Resources The current project infrastructure is hosted by eZ Systems, but this should change. The project can be fully hosted on its own

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Erik Abele erikab...@apache.org wrote: On Apr 19, 2010, at 15:52, Tobias Schlitt wrote: ...       http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal +1! Yeah, I know it's long but any other opinions? Just finished reading it, big +1, cool to see more

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...However, for reliability reasons, there are some services which we would want to have hosted by the ASF. I think the complete project should be hosted on apache servers Agree, I missed that but yes all the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Being mostly clueless about PHP I'm curious about how such modules would be released. Does the usual model of a downloadable archive that includes NOTICE/LICENSE files apply, or would Zeta components mostly be released through a module distribution server like http://pear.php.net/ ? I think

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 (Not binding) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Being mostly clueless about PHP I'm curious about how such modules would be released. Does the usual model of a downloadable archive that includes NOTICE/LICENSE files apply, or would Zeta

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Derick Rethans
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Erik Abele erikab...@apache.org wrote: On Apr 19, 2010, at 15:52, Tobias Schlitt wrote: ...       http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal +1! Yeah, I know it's long but any other

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bertrand, On 04/20/2010 01:16 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Erik Abele erikab...@apache.org wrote: On Apr 19, 2010, at 15:52, Tobias Schlitt wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christian, On 04/20/2010 01:14 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: An excellent well thought out, complete proposal, with none of the usual copying of previous proposals with a bit of tweaking. Just one note: Required Resources The current

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I think the complete project should be hosted on apache servers we would be happy to host our infrastructure on Apache servers. Especially for SVN and the mailinglists. SVN and mailinglists should be no problem, this is standard for most projects. Is it possible to use Arbit instead of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Currently only bugzilla and jira is used in apache world. The use of Arbit needs to be discussed with the infra team. I am not sure if this will happen so easily For integration, there are several continuus

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 04/20/2010 01:34 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: I think the complete project should be hosted on apache servers Is it possible to use Arbit instead of the standard issue trackers provided by Apache? Currently only bugzilla and jira is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
would it be problematic if issue tracking / CI would be hosted on a dedicated server outside Apache? Kore Nordmann and me would happily sponsor this server. I am not a decision maker, but I would think that CI is no problem. I mean, it uses code from Apache SVN and there is no documentation

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/20/2010 02:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: would it be problematic if issue tracking / CI would be hosted on a dedicated server outside Apache? Kore Nordmann and me would happily sponsor this server. I am not a decision maker, but I would

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I don't think this should be an incubation blocker, although some of us have really strong feelings against Jira and even stronger against Bugzilla. Therefore, if we can sort out this stuff before, it's good. :) I wrote the infra team an e-mail, lets see what they answer Christian Regards,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this should be an incubation blocker, although some of us have really strong feelings against Jira and even stronger against Bugzilla. Therefore, if we can sort out this stuff before, it's good. :) I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Kore Nordmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/04/10 15:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this should be an incubation blocker, although some of us have really strong feelings against Jira and even

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Kore Nordmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have one question regarding the code import. The IP clearance form [1] defines that the code is transferred using a canocical tarball. Does that mean, we will loose the full version history for the project? Or would it be possible to package a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Senaka Fernando
://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components = Zeta Components is a high-quality library of loosely coupled PHP components. - Proposal - The Zeta project was originally named *eZ

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Kore Nordmann m...@kore-nordmann.de wrote: The IP clearance form [1] defines that the code is transferred using a canocical tarball. Does that mean, we will loose the full version history for the project? Or would it be possible to package a SVN-export as a

RE: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
would it be possible to package a SVN-export as a tarball for example, and transfer this? Loosing the information stored in the 11.5k changesets / commit messages would hurt a project of this size quite a bit. Ask infra if we can import your full history. --- Noel

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-20 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components = Zeta Components is a high-quality library of loosely coupled PHP components. - Proposal - The Zeta project was originally named *eZ Components

[PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-19 Thread Tobias Schlitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards, Toby = Proposal: Zeta Components