Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-14 Thread Alan Gates
Alex Karasulu and Owen O'Malley have both volunteered on the private list and communicated to me off list their willingness to be mentors. So hopefully that is resolved as well. Alan. On Mar 12, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Upayavira wrote: I am concerned that none of the proposed mentors were

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-14 Thread Upayavira
Perfect. Upayavira On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:57 -0700, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Alex Karasulu and Owen O'Malley have both volunteered on the private list and communicated to me off list their willingness to be mentors. So hopefully that is resolved as well. Alan. On Mar

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-12 Thread Upayavira
I am concerned that none of the proposed mentors were Incubator PMC members at the time of the proposal. I believe Alan Gates is now joining the Incubator PMC, which is great. However, I'd like to see mentorship resolved before we proceed. Upayavira On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:26 +0200, Alex Karasulu

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-12 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: I am concerned that none of the proposed mentors were Incubator PMC members at the time of the proposal. I believe Alan Gates is now joining the Incubator PMC, which is great. However, I'd like to see mentorship resolved

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-12 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 3/12/2011 4:21 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: I am concerned that none of the proposed mentors were Incubator PMC members at the time of the proposal. I believe Alan Gates is now joining the Incubator PMC, which is great.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-11 Thread Alan Gates
The committers and mentors (as listed in the original proposal) have voted for hcatalog as the new name. Web searches I did did not turn up any conflicts with this name. Assuming no one is aware of any naming conflicts, what's our next step? Do we just need Alex to rescind his -1 vote?

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-11 Thread Craig L Russell
Since the only issue raised during voting was the naming problem, now resolved, I'd say call the vote a success and get on with it. Craig On Mar 11, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Alan Gates wrote: The committers and mentors (as listed in the original proposal) have voted for hcatalog as the new name.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-11 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.comwrote: Since the only issue raised during voting was the naming problem, now resolved, I'd say call the vote a success and get on with it. +1 On Mar 11, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Alan Gates wrote: The committers and

RE: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
It's going to be a slap in the face of the OW guys if we let it fly. I don't know if it matters in these, er, matters, but the OW in HOWL stands for their trademarked name. In any event, the community has agreed to change the name, so let's put this to bed and move on. --- Noel

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Alan Gates
I agree we shouldn't move forward until we've come to an agreement on the naming issue. I have no desire to start this project off with this hanging over it. I have continued this thread on legal-discuss, giving more context to hopefully get the best possible input there. I will also

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Alan Gates wrote: Some context here for you. Howl is a project that was recently accepted to the Incubator. It is a proposed new component in the Hadoop eco system. There is significant concern in the Incubator that this will clash with the name of the Howl

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread dsh
There as well existed an open source project called Howl in 2005 or so which implemented Zeroconf (Apple calls the commercial incarnation Bonjour). See: http://www.porchdogsoft.com/ - About Howl is available in the FreeBSD ports collection and on SF.NET -

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: We might want to defer entry into the incubator until determining the trademark issue if one exists. While I agree that resolving sooner is better than later, I don't believe that entrance to the incubator should be

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: We might want to defer entry into the incubator until determining the trademark issue if one exists. While I agree that resolving sooner is

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Alan Gates
I think there's agreement in the community of the project formerly known as Howl that we need to change the name as part of starting out in the Incubator. We're discussing alternatives and will propose something, hopefully with clear IP, soon. Alan. On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Alex

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-08 Thread Alan Gates
We are taking it seriously. We (Howl mentors and committers) discussed this and the consensus seemed to be we wanted to stay with the name if possible. The feedback on this list was mixed, with many for changing it and some not worried about it. So we wanted to stick with it for now and

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-08 Thread Alex Karasulu
Hi Alan, On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are taking it seriously. We (Howl mentors and committers) discussed this and the consensus seemed to be we wanted to stay with the name if possible. The feedback on this list was mixed, with many for changing

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-08 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: Hi Alan, On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are taking it seriously. We (Howl mentors and committers) discussed this and the consensus seemed to be we wanted to stay with the name if possible. The

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-08 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote: On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: Hi Alan, On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are taking it seriously. We (Howl mentors and committers) discussed this

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-07 Thread Alex Karasulu
What about the naming conflict with Howl from ObjectWeb [0]http://howl.ow2.org/? Anyone address this serious issue yet? I pointed this out a while back and frankly am shocked not to see this resolved. HOWL has been around long before this project: 6 years [1]http://goo.gl/J0uJR. So you're

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-01 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
1- If there are still some people in the initial committers list with no filed ICLA then you should start the process [1]. 2- Mentors should start initiating the podling process steps [2]. 1- http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html 2- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html On

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-28 Thread Alan Gates
With 9 binding +1 votes and no -1s, the vote passes. I'll take the naming issue back to the Howl contributors to discuss what we want to do about it. What's the next step now? Alan. On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Alan Gates wrote: I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-24 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Alan Gates wrote: I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an Incubator project. The proposal is available at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal. You can see the discussion from the proposal thread at http://tinyurl.com/5w7y9p9.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-24 Thread Craig L Russell
The naming conflict was brought up but as far as I'm concerned it has not been resolved. +1 for incubating. Change the name, before or after starting incubation. I can suggest to you it's easier to change the name before starting. Craig On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:53 AM, ant elder wrote: The

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an Incubator project... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 Sounds like a welcome addition to the Hadoop space. LieGrue, strub --- On Wed, 2/23/11, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: From: Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com Subject: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 12

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Tommaso Teofili
+1 Tommaso 2011/2/23 Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an Incubator project. The proposal is available at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal. You can see the discussion from the proposal thread at http://tinyurl.com/5w7y9p9. Alan.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Alex Karasulu
+1 However there might be a name conflict with the Howl transaction log over at object web here: http://howl.ow2.org/ http://howl.ow2.org/Originally from the title, I immediately thought the proposal was for OW's HOWL implementation to enter the incubator. Best, Alex On Wed, Feb 23, 2011

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Leif Hedstrom
+1 (non-binding) -- leif - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Kevan Miller
On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote: +1 However there might be a name conflict with the Howl transaction log over at object web here: http://howl.ow2.org/ http://howl.ow2.org/Originally from the title, I immediately thought the proposal was for OW's HOWL implementation

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote: +1 However there might be a name conflict with the Howl transaction log over at object web here:   http://howl.ow2.org/ http://howl.ow2.org/Originally from the

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread dsh
http://www.porchdogsoft.com/ as well provides a Zeroconf implementation called Howl and I am not sure whether Porchdog Software finally got acquired by Apple. The favicon and certain information on the site could make you think Apple did exactly that. Cheers Daniel On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:17

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Alan Gates
The naming conflict issue was brought up and resolved during the discussion of the proposal. Please see http://tinyurl.com/5w7y9p9. Alan. On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:22 AM, dsh wrote: http://www.porchdogsoft.com/ as well provides a Zeroconf implementation called Howl and I am not sure whether

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread ant elder
The naming conflict was discussed but it doesn't seem resolved to me - even just in this vote thread there's a bunch of people bringing it up again. I'd guess thats just going to continue while the name is kept, which be avoided by picking a new name now. I expect there will be enough votes in

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
+1. The name can be changed until graduation. Hadrian On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote: +1 However there might be a name conflict with the Howl transaction log over at object web here: http://howl.ow2.org/

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-23 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote: +1. The name can be changed until graduation. Hadrian On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote: +1 However there might be a name conflict with the

[VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-22 Thread Alan Gates
I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an Incubator project. The proposal is available at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal . You can see the discussion from the proposal thread at http://tinyurl.com/5w7y9p9 . Alan. -- Abstract Howl is a table