Well with that clarification I'm a very strong +1 on everything you said :-)
Ross
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From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com]
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
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Subject: Re: Clear expectations
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> Can you please expand on "I think the answer starts with the very skepticism
> of top-down governance which has in large part kept us from having clear
> rules up till now."
>
> I'm not clear on what the "skepticism" is that yo
d that there are at least two very different views on whether
there is, or is not, top down governance in the ASF.
Ross
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From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:27 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Shane Curcuru
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Does it help anything to look at this, again, as failure modes?
How about this failure mode?
A podling receives thorough instruction on some policy during incubation.
After graduation, that policy gets violated, but most PMC members don'
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I have an complementary suggestion to Marvin's push for documentation. My
> request is for a much clearer channel of communication to the board. All
> too often, projects wind up communicating with individuals; some board
> members, some n
Does it help anything to look at this, again, as failure modes?
One failure mode is a project that emerges from the incubator showing,
well, gross signs that it 'doesn't get it.'
Another failure mode is that a group of people who really do get it, at the
level of the broad principles, get into tr
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> Considering that both detailed answers as well and more "philosophical"
>> answers don't satisfy, I am at a loss to what approach to try next.
>
> The Board should endorse a docum
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Considering that both detailed answers as well and more "philosophical"
> answers don't satisfy, I am at a loss to what approach to try next.
The Board should endorse a document establishing what Apache expects of
its projects.
This docum
