Hi,
> MesaTEE report has been completed just a couple of days ago (starting from
> version 50 at November2019 page). It may be the reason that other mentors
> have not signed off yet.
Quite likely I didn’t check the date and assumed it has been submitted on time.
Looking at the report and the
Hi Justin,
MesaTEE report has been completed just a couple of days ago (starting from
version 50 at November2019 page). It may be the reason that other mentors
have not signed off yet.
Kind Regards,
Furkan KAMACI
On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:34 AM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Good to see most
Hi,
Good to see most podlings have had at lease one mentor sign off. Only one
prodling Ratis is yet to get any mentor sign offs.
It would be good to see more signs off on these projects:
- Heron
- PageSpeed
- Tamaya
- MesaTEE
MesaTEE I’m a little conceded about as it has 6 mentors but so far
Thanks Roman.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org
wrote:
One extra thing to note, that while we can *start* this comittee as
dedicated
to Incubating projects, it will be a very
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
An addition of the overseeing committee, will shield the board from
*some* of the day-to-day business of telling the pTLP that something
needs to be fixed.
Is this pretty close to IPMC in another name?
No it isn't.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
One extra thing to note, that while we can *start* this comittee as
dedicated
to Incubating projects, it will be a very natural extension to get it
involved
in monitoring all of TLPs, not just pTLPs.
What problem
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
I'd much rather we be clear with projects right up front, saying
something like:
To join the Incubator, you need one or more mentors. To get to
graduation, you will need the support of those mentors. If mentors
become
On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:40 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from
the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve
as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything substantially
different.
2. make this a poddling issue: if a poddling fails to hunt down
On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
I noted in my comments on the recent Incubator board report that I am
concerned, month after month, at the number of podlings that have no mentor
sign-off at all, as well as the ones where a minority of the mentors
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
Hi Rich!
Thanks for raising this point and giving us a bit more of a forcing function
to
tackle an old problem: accountability for mentors.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
I certainly
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything
substantially
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
As for measuring the mentors activity, I suggest simply adding a
question to the podling reports, who are your two active mentors and
are you happy with their activity along with requiring report
sign-off from
...@apache.org
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM
To: Incubator General general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator
report sign-off)
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal
On 01/05/2015 12:14 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
A mentor is free to become inactive
but must explicitly state this else the mentor risks being removed for not
performing their duties.
For most mentors, it seems that going inactive is a gradual slide, not a
momentous decision.
--
On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...Podlings would be required to have a minimum of two active mentors. A
mentor is free to become inactive
but must
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
I am in favor of #3 since it holds mentors accountable. #1 is simply a
washing of
our hands and pawning the problem off on the board simple because some of us
are unwilling to do uncomfortable things.
Here's the bit
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
...What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
this new state -- I don't think we're solving any real problems
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
What new thing is being proposed here?...
This, meant to fix the mentors fade away problem:
...Podlings that
do not have the minimum of two active mentors are put on hold until
they find enough
general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:; wrote:
...Podlings would be required
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those
reviews, the IPMC is.
Agreed for the state of the things today. What is being proposed
is that actions resulting from those
Of Roman
Shaposhnik
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 1:52 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a sentence or two _every
month_ or find someone else to do it. That's one person whom I wanted
to ask to sign up, for the duration of an incubation, to pay enough
attention to be able
One extra thing to note, that while we can *start* this comittee as
dedicated
to Incubating projects, it will be a very natural extension to get it
involved
in monitoring all of TLPs, not just pTLPs.
What problem exists today where the Board needs
such
a buffer?
In what ways could
I am clearly hitting my rate-limit with emails to general@, still since
Ross' reply was one of the few pieces of feedback from the board,
I'll do this one and then wait for others to chime in (Benson?).
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
[mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Shaposhnik
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 3:39 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Benson Margulies
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
I am clearly hitting my rate-limit with emails to general@, still since Ross'
reply was one of the few pieces
actions resulting from those
reviews, the IPMC is.
Ross
-Original Message-
From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
It’s not a pawning
Perhaps then, there's a recommendation that:
- a member can be champion to only one pTLP at a time.
- a member can be mentor to no more than two pTLP at a time.
This to me looks like a good way to make sure a mentor can always do their
job - make sure they're not overloaded.
BTW these #'s (1
An addition of the overseeing committee, will shield the board from
*some* of the day-to-day business of telling the pTLP that something
needs to be fixed.
Is this pretty close to IPMC in another name?
Who gets to be on the new overseeing committee? Not current IPMC membership
right? So
Makes sense :)
Hadrian
On 01/05/2015 06:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a sentence or two _every
month_ or find someone else to do it. That's one person whom I wanted
to ask to sign
Hi Jan,
On Jan 5, 2015, at 12:18 PM, jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
] On Behalf Of Roman
Shaposhnik
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 3:39 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Benson Margulies
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
I am clearly hitting my rate-limit with emails to general@, still since Ross'
reply was one of the few pieces of feedback from the board
...@toolazydogs.com]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:50 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
This statement confuses the lack of active mentors with the sheer size of the
IPMC. The problem is not the size of the IPMC. The problem is that mentors are
not doing
actions resulting from those
reviews, the IPMC is.
Ross
-Original Message-
From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
It’s not a pawning off
When I sign up for helping a project, especially as champion, this is a
very reasonable request.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a
A champion is merely a mentor who has publicly committed to being an active
mentor, in some significant capacity, of a podling.
The creation of such a role is symptomatic of a dysfunctional organization
where responsibility and accountability has been diluted so much it's not at
all clear
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
This statement confuses the lack of active mentors with the sheer size of the
IPMC. The problem is not the size of the IPMC. The problem is that mentors
are not doing their jobs
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
This to me looks like a good way to make sure a mentor can always do their
job - make sure they're not overloaded.
BTW these #'s (1 2) should be subjective as I'm just making guesses for
good #'s.
Not only are
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
this new state -- I don't think we're
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...Podlings would be required to have a
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
...I like this idea, except putting the full responsibility of finding new
mentors on the shoulders of the...
The Incubator PMC would help of course, but it's the podling who's in
charge of asking for mentors, in the same way as when
An IPMC responsibility is a no responsibility.
How many people here are prepared to take on a struggling project for
the love of the Incubator, with no particular interest or investment in
the technology, or connection to the people involved?
In the end, if a project wants to join the ASF, the
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM,
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy,
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 08:18 PM, jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D
On 5 January 2015 at 21:57, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 08:18 PM, jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D.
[Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
So, promote those 20 people to ComDev PMC, promote them to ASF
members, promote them however, my guess is that they *care* about the
foundation; we want
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com wrote:
...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
I'm pretty sure
in some cases that is an honorary arrangement agreed to by the community
*loud red alarms going off all over my
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
...It would be sad if this Incubator Community disappears in the proposed
move of incubating project to be reporting directly to the ASF Board...
With my board member hat on, you can count on a strong -1 from me on
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair
and I'm pretty sure
in some cases that is
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...I cannot see the Board ever mandating chair rotations. That is up to the
community
...For projects that don't understand the difference between supportive and
lead: yeah, they could use a dose of trout-slapping and a
On 30 Dec 2014, at 03:56, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com wrote:
...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
I'm pretty sure
in some cases that is an honorary
+1
-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 00:56
To: Incubator General
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com wrote:
...Certainly some projects
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
...outside of self-policing, is there a mechanism to ensure that something
like this, disfavouring egoistic
power, is in place? Note, I’m not sure it’s actually needed, just curious
I don't think there's a formal
On 12/30/2014 09:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 30 Dec 2014, at 03:56, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
andrew.purt...@gmail.com wrote:
...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
I'm
On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were to
see
50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor on sign off on the report, I'm
probably going to look
On Dec 30, 2014 10:27 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were
to
see
50%+ of mentors on a
@incubator.apache.org
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 1:09 AM
To: Incubator General general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org
wrote:
...It would be sad if this Incubator Community
Hi Chris,
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
...http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal ...
Thanks for this, this looks like a good definition of the experiment.
...1. the documentation on *what* to do for
: Incubator report sign-off
Hi Chris,
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
...http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal ...
Thanks for this, this looks like a good definition of the experiment.
Thanks. This has been
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
...what’s also not useful is acting like a proposal that’s existed for
years is something new - it’s been discussed - a simple Google search
yielded hundreds of emails no the topic
Besides taking
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com
wrote:
Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign off.
I disagree. Checking a check box is much different than adding meaningful
comments, either on mailing lists or on the report itself.
For
On Tue Dec 30 2014 at 1:26:31 PM Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com
wrote:
Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign
off.
I disagree. Checking a check box is much different than
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do
podlings fail? I see two main patterns.
1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find
adrift in space with the lights on
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Tue Dec 30 2014 at 1:26:31 PM Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament
john.d.am...@gmail.com
wrote:
Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your
sign
off
, December 30, 2014 8:05 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
Ross,
I think we're actually on the same page. My point with ripple was not so much
that it wasn't bringing it to anyone's attention (in fact the opposite, it's
plastered all over the report
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
This is at the root of my proposal to *expect* mentors to have a vested
interest in the success of a project.
Every single one of us here shares that *expectation*. What this
thread fails to address
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
So, promote those 20 people to ComDev PMC, promote them to ASF
members, promote them however, my guess is that they *care* about
the foundation; we want these people helping new projects, and they
On 12/19/2014 02:00 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
Strawman:
What if a mentor is *required* to be an active participant of the project. That
is contributing code, voting on releases and generally engaging with the
community, they would be a better mentor since they have a vested
This is what happens when I write email like this and then go for two
weeks off of work. Catching up ...
On 12/19/2014 01:10 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
First of all,*my* expectation is that multiple mentors on the project
are more of redundancy or HA consideration. IOW, my expectation that
a
On 12/19/2014 02:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
1. Incubation yes, Incubator no
a. (all Incubator documentation, active folks, etc., become part of the
pool of [incoming project VP])
b. IPMC is dissolved
c. We create a new “Incubation PMC” that includes most active members of
On 12/19/2014 02:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
What it would do however if we simply did away with the notion of the
IPMC/Incubator/etc., is to return to the notion of pTLPs which were
proposed earlier which I would most wholeheartedly support.
Having read more, and understood more,
On 12/22/2014 11:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
Hi!
before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding
off on replying to see whether viewpoints that we haven's seen before
would emerge. It seems that they didn't. It seems that we're still limited
by the following options
On 12/23/2014 03:34 PM, sebb wrote:
Flex had three great mentors, but to expect them to be the PMC Chair on
graduation would have been problematic. They were great mentors because
they had lots of experience from their work on other Apache projects, and
thus didn’t have time to stay active on
On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were to see
50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor on sign off on the report, I'm
probably going to look at things, but not add my signature. Not out of
laziness, but in seeing that
On 12/29/2014 09:40 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 12/22/2014 11:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
Hi!
before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding
off on replying to see whether viewpoints that we haven's seen before
would emerge. It seems that they didn't. It seems that
+1
On 12/29/2014 09:15 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
This is what happens when I write email like this and then go for two
weeks off of work. Catching up ...
On 12/19/2014 01:10 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
First of all,*my* expectation is that multiple mentors on the project
are more of redundancy
On Dec 29, 2014 12:11 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/29/2014 09:40 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 12/22/2014 11:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
Hi!
before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding
off on replying to see whether viewpoints that we
saying sure I'd
like to see more projects at the ASF
Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Rich Bowenmailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com
Sent: 12/29/2014 6:13 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On 12
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair
and the project leader as one in the same.
Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair role
out of respect.
Practical: The PMC Chair has the power to dissolve the PMC, and is an
of the PMC as a whole (or when there is no active PMC to make such a
request).
Ross
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From: Andrew Purtell [mailto:andrew.purt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:45 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
There are honorary
On 12/29/2014 01:45 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote:
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair
and the project leader as one in the same.
Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair role
out of respect.
Practical: The PMC Chair
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:45 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair
and the project leader as one in the same.
Honorary: The community elevated one member
On 12/29/2014 02:46 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
The PMC Chair absolutely does*not* have the power to dissolve the PMC. Only
the Board of Directors have that authority and they will only do that at the
request of the PMC as a whole (or when there is no active PMC to make such a
Agreed, it's not worth debating project lead as a formal or informal construct.
I don't think we are on the same page. Certainly some projects have a de facto
lead that coincide with Chair and I'm pretty sure in some cases that is an
honorary arrangement agreed to by the community.
On Dec
report sign-off
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair
and the project leader as one in the same.
Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair
role out of respect.
Practical: The PMC Chair has the power to dissolve
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
This is what happens when I write email like this and then go for two weeks
off of work. Catching up ...
Oh, man! I was about to take a strong and decisive action today ;-)
Seriously -- welcome back into this conversation.
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC
Chair and the project leader as one in the same.
Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair
role out of respect.
Practical: The PMC
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
Roman, please forgive me absence from this conversation. I started the
thread, and then went on Christmas vacation. I am still on vacation for
another week, but will attempt to keep up with the conversation here, and
not
I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do
podlings fail? I see two main patterns.
1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find
adrift in space with the lights on but no one home on the mailing
list.
2. Failure to build an _Apache_ community.
+1 well said.
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From: Benson Marguliesmailto:bimargul...@gmail.com
Sent: 12/29/2014 6:25 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
I'd like to look at this through
On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:54, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
But a move of reporting-to authority does not have to change any of
that, does it?
Depends on how much of an anarchist one is :-) and what is meant by authority,
too, I suppose.
But, to answer the question, I would say,
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:54, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
But a move of reporting-to authority does not have to change any of
that, does it?
Depends on how much of an anarchist one is :-) and what is
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