On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
We don't need consensus from the
: 2/24/2015 12:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
if we accept ... take a position, Ross.
The two problems *are* orthogonal. The IPMC can do whatever it likes. A
pTLP is a proposal to the Board
From: Roman Shaposhnikmailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org
Sent: 2/23/2015 4:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hi Niclas,
I'm in favor of the overall pTLP process. I don't
agree with others that it hasn't been well specified yet. I
There is (yet) a singular page that defines the process. Roman has been
/2015 12:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
if we accept ... take a position, Ross.
The two problems *are* orthogonal. The IPMC can do whatever it likes. A
pTLP is a proposal to the Board.
Bertrand
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
...
Sam -- Think there is no need for a new concept, and have no problem with
incoming projects backed by ASF veterans to bypass the Incubator.
I believe Sam gave this based on a singular, concrete proposal. He would
:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
Stop talking about Incubator changes. You begin with pTLP, but devolve into
other proposals about changes to the Incubator.
Niclas restarted this thread about pTLP
I would like to pick this thread up again...
IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
views that exists can be attributed to the following Board members;
Greg, Chris -- Would like to have Provisional badge, which entails
disclaimers to alert users.
Sam -- Think
The board have asked for the IPMC to make recommendations.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ross
23, 2015 at 12:12 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
I would like to pick this thread up again...
IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
views that exists can be attributed
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
evaluate properly.
That's fair, but what *exactly
Board@ discussions
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Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
evaluate properly.
That's fair, but what *exactly* do you need?
The IPMC is tasked with providing recommendations.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
evaluate properly.
That's fair, but what
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
The board have asked for the IPMC to make recommendations.
Is the precise nature of what being asked recorded anywhere?
Thanks,
Roman.
AM
To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
I would like to pick this thread up again...
IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
views that exists can be attributed to the following
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
It's not unfair. I deliberately tried to say i don't want to distract from
the handover process.
I though we all agreed that whatever pTLP is -- it is absolutely 100%
orthogonal to
the process that
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
...At least superficially, it seems that there is no consensus at the Board
level at this point in time. It is difficult to gauge whether a consensus
in favor can be reached, or that this idea should be dropped...
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
I would like to pick this thread up again...
Thanks! I apologize for being completely unavailable for the past 10 days
or so -- the amount of stuff happening @$WORK was way too overwhelming.
As a matter of fact, my
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to
become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be
Roman,
Under the JIRA section, I made a mistake earlier;
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/ZEST
should be
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/QI
Niclas
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I
disagree:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
Roman,
Under the JIRA section, I made a mistake earlier;
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/ZEST
should be
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/QI
Fixed! As a side note: I really need to figure out how to make
sure
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to
become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be
discussed anywhere. At the end of the day, it will be the Board who votes
on a
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
...2: 'let's go over to comdev and volunteer to build some documentation
for an alternative launch mechanism'. This experiments
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I
disagree:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...2: 'let's go over to comdev and volunteer to build some documentation
for an alternative launch mechanism'. This experiments with expanding
comdev in the direction
The momentary impulse is (2). You might
Hi,
I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I disagree:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done
ComDev docs are in the CMS. All committers have write access. PMC members have
publish access.
Ross
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From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:56 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:
...
Totally agreed! Who can help me learning the ropes on how ComDev
documentation is maintained, etc?
Maybe ask on dev@community rather than general@ ?? :-P
There are a few things that I would suggest for next steps:
1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done. This will also
start the discussion among the Directors (recall: the Board hasn't even
agreed to try
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a few things that I would suggest for next steps:
1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done. This will also
start the
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
There are a few things that I would suggest for next steps:
1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
want to
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
...as I mentioned in a different thread, I feel really
passionate about championing the pTLP experiment
So that I can decide to agree or flame (*), do you have a definition
of the pTLP experiment with a permanent URL
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
...as I mentioned in a different thread, I feel really
passionate about championing the pTLP experiment
So that I can decide to agree
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