Yes, thanks updating the proposal. Really appreciate it.
- Henry
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Julian Hyde julianh...@gmail.com wrote:
The “Relationships with Other Apache Products” section has been updated to
cover Optiq’s functional overlaps with existing Apache projects.
Good section. I do agree to what it says and somehow hope we can eventually
help each other out with e.g. a library of adaptors.
-Original Message-
From: Julian Hyde [mailto:julianh...@gmail.com]
Sent: 8. maj 2014 20:03
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Optiq
The “Relationships with Other Apache Products” section has been updated to
cover Optiq’s functional overlaps with existing Apache projects.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OptiqProposal#Relationships_with_Other_Apache_Products
Julian
On May 2, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Henry Saputra
Now that discussion is settling down, I will start a vote thread shortly.
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ashutosh Chauhan hashut...@apache.orgwrote:
Thanks everyone for great feedback. With Julian's help I have updated the
section Relationships with Other Apache projects so that folks can
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 03:21 PM, Ashutosh Chauhan wrote:
I would like to propose Optiq as an Apache Incubator project. I have
posted the proposal to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OptiqProposal
and
posted the text of the proposal below.
Ashutosh.
Given the importance of Optiq for
, and differentiate
where it makes sense.
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From: shaposh...@gmail.com [mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Shaposhnik
Sent: 2. maj 2014 01:49
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Optiq
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
If not part of the initial proposal, then
at least making a good case as a criteria for graduation, and writing up
related work and how the new project differentiates could be an initial
task done on JIRA after
All that I suggest is that candidate Apache projects articulate how they
differ from related projects, and that we consider the strength of this
argument when evaluating the long term viability of the effort and
community. It would be good if proposals have a related work section done
with the
HI Ashutosh,
Since there was a question/ comment about relationship with Apache
MetaModel, I am asking to update the proposal to include this
discussion in either Relationships with Other Apache Products or
Alignment section before going for a VOTE.
Apache Slider did the same thing with relation
Ah sorry, I did not mean asking to update, I meant proposing to update.
Thanks,
- Henry
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote:
HI Ashutosh,
Since there was a question/ comment about relationship with Apache
MetaModel, I am asking to update the proposal
All fair points. However (as your example demonstrates), referring to
this duplication as failure instead of evolution biases the
incubator to protect existing projects. Putting new projects on the
defensive is almost always unfair, unless they're literally forking an
existing project.
As you
I realize this is a discussion about Optiq in particular, so please pardon
the detour. I won't continue this discussion in this thread further.
On the subject of Optiq, I'd be +1 for incubation considering that at least
two Apache projects incorporate it substantially, and a third is
considering
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
All that I suggest is that candidate Apache projects articulate how they
differ from related projects, and that we consider the strength of this
argument when evaluating the long term viability of the effort and
I see a lot of conceptual similarity between Optiq and the Apache MetaModel
(incubator) project [1]. Maybe something can be done to align the two projects,
so that we avoid having two incubating projects that do basically the same
thing?
Or maybe there's some glaring difference that I am
I think that there is a huge difference between Metamodel and Optiq.
In particular:
- Optiq provides real SQL including nested queries, correlated sub-queries
and so on
- Metamodel uses a fluent Java API ... SQL parsing and transformation
doesn't appear to be a goal
- Optiq provides highly
I agree with Ted. Optiq is a full fledged cost-based query optimization
framework for relational workloads.
I also want to highlight Optiq's JDBC infrastructure (and ODBC at a later
point as well). Rather than implementing the JDBC specification, Optiq
users only have to implement a few
Apache Hive has recently started work to integrate with Optiq as well. Having
it as an Apache project will be good for both Optiq and Apache.
Alan.
On Apr 30, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Ashutosh Chauhan hashut...@apache.org wrote:
I would like to propose Optiq as an Apache Incubator project. I have
[ted.dunn...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 May 2014 09:14
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Optiq
I think that there is a huge difference between Metamodel and Optiq.
In particular:
- Optiq provides real SQL including nested queries, correlated sub-queries
and so on
- Metamodel
Unfortunately, similar projects entering Apache incubator are common things =(
Even though each original project proposers can argue about
differences in one way or another, it will eventually decided by
adoption and community growth, and at the end the quality of the
project itself.
Some other
One could imagine as part of the case for incubation and graduation both an
articulation of the project's place in the larger ecosystem, similar to how
academic papers customarily place their work and novel findings within the
larger field in 'Related Work'. If not part of the initial proposal,
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Kasper Sørensen
kasper.soren...@humaninference.com wrote:
- Can you explain or link to more information about the type inference you
mention?
The type inferencing is used by Drill.
The problem is that strong typing is normally required to parse SQL
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
One could imagine as part of the case for incubation and graduation both an
articulation of the project's place in the larger ecosystem, similar to how
academic papers customarily place their work and novel findings
Optiq has been a key technology underscoring the progress of Drill. It has
wide applicability for any project that needs SQL parsing and cost based
optimization.
Julian has been carrying this torch for a long time, but I really think
that having a wider community would help.
On Thu, May 1,
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