Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-24 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 1/22/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also good to try to ensure that discussion has settled down, and that there is a consensus before calling for the vote. I generally believe that a good ASF vote isn't called to make a decision; it is called to ratify one. Exactly. A

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-23 Thread Ross Gardler
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal? It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members willing to act as Mentors, and no noticeably egregious problems.

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-23 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Leo Simons wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 10:39:51PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal? It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members

RE: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I was actually under the impression [that] the wiki was the place to leave this sort of thing During the collaborative phase of the PROPOSAL, the Wiki is used as a common edit space. When the VOTE comes up, the final propoal MUST be included in the VOTE e-mail, else that e-mail will be

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-22 Thread David N. Welton
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I was actually under the impression [that] the wiki was the place to leave this sort of thing During the collaborative phase of the PROPOSAL, the Wiki is used as a common edit space. When the VOTE comes up, the final propoal MUST be included in the VOTE e-mail, else

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread David N. Welton
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or @)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...) Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to also

Re: Wiki votes, was Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 02:03:14AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote: [changed subject line though I don't intend to have a big discussion about this topic] Grr, I just did exactly the same thing and wrote just about the same thing. My thread view must be messed up... In any case, +1 to what he said.

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. +1 But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising. Sorry. The wiki made me do it :) I

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: Hi Geir (and all), my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I'm one of the developers of the OFBiz project and, as you can imagine, I'm very interested in your feedback about our request to join the ASF Incubator. About the proposal posted to the Wiki instead of to this

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or @)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...) Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to also have on a wiki for

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:16, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Does anyone else feel this way?  Mail archives will live for years in distributed places.  Wiki's seem to be single-sourced and a lot more ephemeral Yes. As the primary tool of communication for myself and many others, mails are

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread David Crossley
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or @)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...) Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to also

Wiki votes, was Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Erik Abele
[changed subject line though I don't intend to have a big discussion about this topic] On 18.01.2006, at 00:16, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or @)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...) Can we please have things go to the

RE: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. +1 But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising. --- Noel

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Hi Geir (and all), my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I'm one of the developers of the OFBiz project and, as you can imagine, I'm very interested in your feedback about our request to join the ASF Incubator. About the proposal posted to the Wiki instead of to this list... well if you go to the

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:45:49PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: David N. Welton wrote: I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no one else beats me to it. Here we go: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal I changed the proposed sponsor to the

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-17 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 1/18/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:45:49PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: David N. Welton wrote: I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no one else beats me to it. Here we go:

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-16 Thread David N. Welton
Any other questions or comments on this for now? I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no one else beats me to it. Ciao, -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-16 Thread David N. Welton
David N. Welton wrote: I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no one else beats me to it. Here we go: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal I changed the proposed sponsor to the Incubator PMC, as that's apparently the done thing. Ciao, -- David N.

Incubator PMC vs Board as sponsor (Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF)

2006-01-13 Thread David N. Welton
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote: As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way. That is a misconception. For projects targetting top-level, EITHER the

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 1/10/06, David E. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are all looking forward to your comments and desire to express in advance appreciation for all that you have done and are doing for the open source world and the software world in general through your efforts in the Apache Software

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread David N. Welton
J Aaron Farr wrote: On 1/10/06, David E. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are all looking forward to your comments and desire to express in advance appreciation for all that you have done and are doing for the open source world and the software world in general through your efforts in the

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 1/12/06, David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should look at whether this project is a good fit for the ASF (I think so, or I wouldn't have mentioned the idea to them) rather than if we are stepping on someone's toes. Geronimo steps on toes. Harmony does to some degree, as

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread David E. Jones
On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:57 AM, J Aaron Farr wrote: This proposal has caught my interest. I'd be willing to help mentor. That would be great. I've been skimming through the policy emails that have been on this list for the last few days and it's sounding like 3 mentors is something that

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread David E. Jones
On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote: There IS a conceptual and code-level separation between the OFBiz framework and components built on top of it, but I think it makes a nice cohesive project together. It's sort of like if Tomcat and Struts were under the same umbrella: not

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote: As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board   must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way.   That is a misconception. For projects targetting top-level, EITHER the Board or the Incubator PMC

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-12 Thread David E. Jones
On Jan 12, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote: As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way. That is a misconception. For projects targetting