Sorry if I'm late to the party, but my 2 cents...
The more I read about this, the more I latch onto Justin's Observers notion.
As a non-Apache Member, non-IPMC, PPMC member for OODT, I feel like I am
qualified to vote on a release in the sense that I am closer to the code than
Justin (sorry to
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:31, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Greg Stein wrote:
Using
, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Subject: RE: Radical revamp
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name to a
piece of electronic paper.
Personally I imagined my binding vote, as a mentor, to indicate a) the project
debs want this tongi ahead
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be I like
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On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than
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On 17 Aug
LOL know problem Ross ;)
On 8/17/10 1:46 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be I like
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:45, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
And if the Mentors aren't being active, voting, etc., then *that* is what
needs to be addressed.
As I've repeatedly stated before (here and
Greg Stein wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I view this as potentially the crux of the problem - people who aren't
stakeholders in the community shouldn't have a say. Right now, they
feel they do. So, if we want to mandate at least 3 mentors - fine,
but that must come at the cost of
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:00, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
...
Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
*three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times). The
podling committers are invited onto the priv...@$podling.apache.org
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Greg Stein wrote:
Using this model decentralizes the process
So does having 3+ PMC Members
Hey Guys,
I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and knowledge of what
the ASF needs/wants.
+1 from me with my OODT hat on.
Also, I like Greg's
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
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Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
Greg Stein wrote:
Using
, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment
Greg Stein wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
*three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times).
How does that differ from the current system (given the assumption of 3+
PMC
Members), except that it
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:53, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's optimized for success while making mentors potentially responsible for
failure (iow a project with crappy mentors will fail no matter how much they
grok apache).
Fair assessment, but those *are* the projects that
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hey Guys,
I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and
[ CCing gene...@incubator as I think I can now place my finger a bit
as to why I'm discomforted with Greg's proposal in the OODT context ;
and more importantly, another potential experiment at the end; leaving
context in for those on gene...@incubator ]
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Mattmann,
Hey Justin,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
honestly don't feel that I deserve a vote on OODT releases. I've
known you and Dave for long enough that I have no concerns advising
the OODT
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hey Justin,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
honestly don't feel that I deserve a vote on OODT
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
So basically you are moving more towards Joe's proposal, that the PPMC would
have the binding VOTEs in e.g., new committers/PMC members, and on releases?
Of course, with the caveats below, as you
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
You know when to vote and *how* to vote. I see no reason to deny your vote.
Of course. It's always seemed awkward if you can't contribute
technically to suddenly have a binding vote. I'm sure if I *wanted*
to learn how to
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