Aaron Bannert wrote:
I noticed that you think the incubator PMC is responsible for doing the
*work*
of incubation. That is a false assumption. The Incubator is a place
where new
projects can be incubated. The contributors to the Incubator are those
people who want to accomplish incubation. Anyon
On 7/30/2003 10:43 AM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 09:49 AM, Steven Noels wrote:
If the STATUS file hasn't been updated in 3 months, and you see
something that
needs fixing, update it yourself!
I noticed that you think the incubator PMC is responsible for doing
the *wo
On 30/07/2003 19:43 Aaron Bannert wrote:
What kind of guidelines would you like to see?
What specific activities do you consider counterproductive, and how do
you propose we improve them?
As much as your suggestions drive me towards a direction I'm already
fully aware of, I think this situation
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> My opinion is that we will continue to meander around until someone
> who gives a rat's ass about some new project volunteers to set up
> the incubation process. Right now, nobody even wants to chair the PMC
> because anyone who attempts to lead is shot down and everyon
On 30/07/2003 18:21 Aaron Bannert wrote:
Yes, please discuss it here on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private email is the
absolute
worst place for these types of discussions.
That private mail, and even IRL talk, started literally _months_ ago
when Cliff from BEA approached me during a tradeshow to talk ab
On 7/29/2003 2:54 PM, Paul Hammant wrote:
Folks,
It seems there is enough discord over XMLBeans here, to warrant
letting one slide for the sake of the peace.
If CVS is set-up, let it be as is.
If Mail lists are set-up, let them be as they are.
- - -
For future projects the PMC has decided that
On 7/29/2003 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/29/03 2:11 PM, "Ted Leung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/29/2003 10:33 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/29/03 1:01 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That is an excellent idea.
Why are you blaming t
On 7/29/2003 2:50 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
I've no issue with rules, except when we say we have rules but can't
articulate them. Example #1. What should the names of the mailing
lists and CVS be? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We don't have that rule. Nicola Ken suggested creatin
Folks,
It seems there is enough discord over XMLBeans here, to warrant letting
one slide for the sake of the peace.
If CVS is set-up, let it be as is.
If Mail lists are set-up, let them be as they are.
- - -
For future projects the PMC has decided that whilst in incubator, how
about the follow
On 7/29/2003 10:33 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/29/03 1:01 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After spending considerable time off-list with Cliff preparing his
proposal, I'm getting a bit weary with all this rules stuff
ASF is incorporated. We have certain rules to
On 29/07/2003 10:41 Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out.
Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive,
most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the
dispersed shepherds of incubat
Steven Noels wrote:
and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out. Apart
from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive, most of
the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the dispersed
shepherds of incubating projects, most of them assumably under t
On 25/07/2003 14:09 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote, On 25/07/2003 14.05:
No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is
here to
help and its OUR responsibility to incubate? Its sounding like the
incubator stands over and tells folks what to do not only in h
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Look, if instead of the "Incubation PMC" it was the "XML PMC", would it
have been less confusing?
Not sure :>. Other projects (such as XML) are aimed at development in
some technical area. There are a bunch of processes that are common
accross Apache that support dev
Berin Lautenbach wrote, On 27/07/2003 10.48:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Which is one of the things I'm having problems grappling with at the
moment. Exactly what are the responsibilities of the various parties
in this process?
It's simple:
The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Which is one of the things I'm having problems grappling with at the
moment. Exactly what are the responsibilities of the various parties
in this process?
It's simple:
The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help.
Not sure I understand? (
Andrew C. Oliver wrote, On 25/07/2003 14.05:
On 7/25/03 7:46 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's simple:
The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help.
No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is here to
help and its OUR respo
Berin Lautenbach wrote, On 25/07/2003 9.07:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
IMHO it depends on what the incubator PMC does. If they *do* create the
lists and the such then maybe they should set policy (meaning telling
other
people what do do == policy). If they rely on the XML project and the
XMLBeans
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
IMHO it depends on what the incubator PMC does. If they *do* create the
lists and the such then maybe they should set policy (meaning telling other
people what do do == policy). If they rely on the XML project and the
XMLBeans folks to do things then they should allow the
This is embarrassing. How can we have incubated several projects and
not have this worked out? No wonder people are complaining about the
incubator.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Since IMHO this has been already discussed enough and different POVs
remain, I ask for a vote on the following.
Wh
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