Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-28 Thread Mark Struberg
to contribute to the very project. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013, 13:34 Subject: Re: The podling initial committers issue I think

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-28 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps the initial committers list should be split into two: - interested developers - initial committers This way a

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-27 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Plus, since the ASF did not watch how Usergrid was handled when it was external, we (the ASF) has no idea how meritocratic it was... I have no idea how that is important for *entering* the incubator. One of the core tenets

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:33 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Incoming *existing* communities need to be mentored into becoming Apache communities, not being hammered into them when they are doing their babysteps. Who said or implied anything differently?

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-27 Thread Benson Margulies
I think that all of this might boil down to the observation, way back in this thread, that there are different patterns of incoming projects. Some incoming podlings are very small groups of people. If they are paying attention, they know that attracting new people will be their biggest problem.

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps the initial committers list should be split into two: - interested developers - initial committers This way a podling can engage with the interested developers and quickly form an (expanded)

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: When a proposal is just a candidate, there are two possible approaches (for those interested in committership) IMO once the possible approaches are documented, we should require incoming podlings to

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what I think we should add: After a proposal is submitted to the incubator but before a vote is called the proposing community may choose to add additional committers who ask to be committers or may chose to defer adding

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread Dave
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org wrote: On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what I think we should add: After a proposal is submitted to the incubator but before a vote is called the proposing community may choose to add

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org wrote: On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what I think we should add: After a proposal is submitted to the incubator but before a vote is called the proposing community may choose to add

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Alex, you are constantly mixing up expectations of PMCs and podlings. Plus, since the ASF did not watch how Usergrid was handled when it was external, we (the ASF) has no idea how meritocratic it was... in fact, and I'm sorry to say this, the viciousness of all this leads me to wonder just what

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread larry mccay
I was under the impression that what you describe was the policy - if it is not then is should certainly be clarified. In the event that podlings continue to or are to be given such a choice, I believe that there needs to be a clear understanding between the incoming community and those

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Dave, This topic actually did make it into the incubator guides but it's a bit hard to find it. From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/participation.html#committer: When a proposal is just a candidate, there are two possible approaches (for those interested in committership). The

Re: The podling initial committers issue

2013-09-25 Thread larry mccay
I propose that this then be seen as a learning experience and determine what questions a champion needs to ask of the mentors and incoming community on the outset in order to execute. This has been an unfortunate bit of thrashing that was avoidable through communication. That is not to say that