Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 6/2/08, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: my conclusion was that meta-data signed by [keys in the] WoT would be good enough. there's no need to distribute a master key +1 key management is tricky Not that tricky. Let's not make as if this isn't

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-03 Thread Gilles Scokart
I thought this thread started with the idea : if maven would be able to validate signature, we could use this feature to inform someone that he is using incubator artefacts. I thought the idea that launched this thread was to have a unique key for the incubator that the user has as to trust if he

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 6/3/08, Gilles Scokart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this thread started with the idea : if maven would be able to validate signature, we could use this feature to inform someone that he is using incubator artefacts. I thought the idea that launched this thread was to have a unique key

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Gilles Scokart
2008/5/31 Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Implement that, and we're fine. We will require Incubator artifacts to be signed by a designated key available to the PMC, and once a user has acknowledged that they accept such Incubator signed artifacts, maven can do what it wants with them.

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Gilles Scokart wrote: Noel J. Bergman: Implement that, and we're fine. We will require Incubator artifacts to be signed by a designated key available to the PMC, and once a user has acknowledged that they accept such Incubator signed artifacts, maven can do what it wants with them.

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Gilles Scokart wrote: Noel J. Bergman: Implement that, and we're fine. We will require Incubator artifacts to be signed by a designated key available to the PMC, and once a user has

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 30, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/31 Brian E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you elaborate more on what you mean

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Brian E. Fox
: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository] On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 30, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/31 Brian E. Fox [EMAIL

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: my conclusion was that meta-data signed by [keys in the] WoT would be good enough. there's no need to distribute a master key +1 key management is tricky Not that tricky. Let's not make as if this isn't done routinely elsewhere. this is where the complexity

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Why is it not equally possible to validate against a short list of keys (e.g. infra PMC members) and their immediate trust. This is what gpg is good at. First get the code built into Maven for actually checking the signatures and we're golden, with multiple

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian E. Fox wrote: I think this thread belongs on the Maven lists as it's is only tangential to the decision about the incubator repository. Well, that's not entirely true. It is rather key to a satisfactory resolution, with the possible exception of some interim measure. The process for

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-05-31 Thread James Carman
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO this isn't really a maven issue: basic checks should be performed on all releases. i favour a private subversion repository with custom hooks for release publishing. I think it very much is a maven issue.

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-05-31 Thread James Carman
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:05 AM, James Carman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO this isn't really a maven issue: basic checks should be performed on all releases. i favour a private subversion repository with custom

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 30, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/31 Brian E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you elaborate more on what you mean here? I've been on the Maven PMC for over a year now and this is the first

RE: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian E. Fox wrote: I really don't care what cuts across the grain of Maven. I do care about the established principle that people must make a deliberate decision to use Incubator artifacts. If Maven would finally support enforcing signing of artifacts, as they have been asked to do for

Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository]

2008-05-30 Thread Brett Porter
2008/5/31 Brian E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you elaborate more on what you mean here? I've been on the Maven PMC for over a year now and this is the first I've heard of it. We do support signing of artifacts and all the maven releases are signed. We obviously don't control all the other