Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Sheng Wu
Hi, Justin I think you misunderstand my point. In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider it as a widely used platform. The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code development. Nothing more. I don't think people would think this is a way to

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity on your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub. Ask yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front page? Thanks, Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a un-released distribution. It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github link as a un-released distribution :) In most cases, github is one of the

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
Like in most cases when the argument can go both ways, I think it would be helpful to summarize all the views and their pros and cons to give a comprehensive picture. The current summary of the points are: Pros: -P0: Encourages developers community participation to the project, exercise

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread zhangli...@apache.org
Hi Craig, Thanks for the suggestion. > Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where > contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. I've already removed the

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original email context (about the infra request to remove the github link), which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way to exercise the public archival principle. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's suggestion summarizes the cases clearly TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig > suggest. I would also suggest change the

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Craig Russell
Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1]. See "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development community”, having that on the front page does that IMO. Thanks, Justin 1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this has changed I’m not sure. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Juan Pan
Hi Thanks for everyone’s attention. I see Justin's concern, and we will consider Craig's suggestion to make some modifications. Besides, as Tianqi and Sheng said, our initial and simple idea is to use `fork me on gitHub` to encourage more people to join the community or raise their

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
I can see arguments goes both ways:) Apache is about community over code, github is certainly a place where the (an important part of)community goes to, highlighting the link to that seems to be OK if the project decide to do so. TQ On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:34 PM Sheng Wu wrote: > Hi, Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Tianqi Chen
Also I want to say that the intent is important when discussing many of these cases. In this case hopefully most of us we all agree, the original intention of the project community is to encourage broader participation of the community, rather than distributing un-released distribution. TQ On

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan. There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread zhangli...@apache.org
I removed the GitHub logo from the website, instead of add a GitHub link in the nav bar under the "Community" item. -- Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Tianqi Chen 于2020年3月27日周五 上午10:53写道: > I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep > it. You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache Rainbow

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, One other thing you may need to consider is your name. Changing a projects name is expensive in term of infra time and being such a generic name there may be issues with it. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Juan Pan
Hi everyone, Taking Justin’s advices, we introduced a major redesign for our website[1] to make it prominent in `Apache` feature. Welcome your visit and comments. :) [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org Cheers, Trista Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of

Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache Rainbow

2020-03-26 Thread Lior Schachter
Hi all, At this stage the community around rainbow is indeed rather small. However, I believe the incubator platform is where we can and should build a substantial community. Natural Intelligence is committed to invest in this project as it is used as the foundation of our production pipelines.

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Sheng Wu
Juan Pan 于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道: > Hi Justin, > > > Thanks for your rapid feedback. > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. > See [1] for logos. > We will update the logo ASAP. > > > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards >

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Nicely done and a huge improvement. One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not have it on the front page? The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread Juan Pan
Hi Justin, Thanks for your rapid feedback. > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See > [1] for logos. We will update the logo ASAP. > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

2020-03-26 Thread zhangli...@apache.org
Hi Justin, Thank you for reminding, I have updated website again. Please check again[1]. The changes are inline. > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not have it on the front page? Yes,