Re: [VOTE] Release Wink 1.0 (RC-5)

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Elman
It seems that Nick has some problems copying the  distribution on people.apache.org (see http://tinyurl.com/yhpfp2v) I've already made changes to the site, but I don't want to upload it unless all the links work. 2009/11/11 Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org What happen to this release? The

Re: How to shorten the duration of incubation (Was: Insanity...)

2009-11-11 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I like the proposal of 3 steps prior to releasing... In Greg's words: it teaches instead of hinders. It divides the arduous process of cutting a release in more manageable steps and would make passing the actual release easier/faster. Martijn On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Robert Burrell

Re: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: LOL Well... the problem is that an svn mv from /incubator/subversion/ to /subversion/ introduces an artificial breakage in the history. It is actually quite disruptive for tracking history (which is very important to us).

Re: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Branko Čibej
Martijn Dashorst wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: LOL Well... the problem is that an svn mv from /incubator/subversion/ to /subversion/ introduces an artificial breakage in the history. It is actually quite disruptive for tracking history (which

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote: Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV

Re: [VOTE] Release Wink 1.0 (RC-5)

2009-11-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Michael Elman el...@apache.org wrote: It seems that Nick has some problems copying the  distribution on people.apache.org (see http://tinyurl.com/yhpfp2v) I've already made changes to the site, but I don't want to upload it unless all the links work. Ok... I

Correct mail subjects (Was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-11 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Please update the message subject if you're no longer discussing the original topic of the thread. I have no idea what Maven release practices have to do with the Subversion acceptance vote. BR, Jukka Zitting - To

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings how to work here at Apache. It is not about making podlings thoughtlessly follow checklists. It is about TEACHING them what are the important aspects of

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Igor Burilo
Mark Phippard-3 wrote: I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB and libintl support. Of the three, the only thing an Eclipse

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education

2009-11-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jukka, Agreed. thanks, dims On 11/11/2009 01:47 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Davanum Srinivasdava...@gmail.com wrote: Jukka, Not so sure... because that dist may contain code that we may not allow. Personally I'd be happy with a plan from the Subversion

OT: Subverting Eclipse (subject line changed to protect the guilty)

2009-11-11 Thread Branko Čibej
Igor Burilo wrote: Mark Phippard-3 wrote: I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB and libintl support. Of the three, the

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 14:21, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@sun.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Greg Stein wrote: But with all that said, how about we do this: we'll do a 1.6.7 release from the 1.6.x branch after we

[Reminder] Clutch assists the incubation process

2009-11-11 Thread David Crossley
Especially to the new projects, a reminder that Clutch is a tool to assist us all with the incubation process. Please interpret this table from the point-of-view of encouragement and nurture. http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html It gathers details and hints from three main resources: A) the

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
Plan: raise an issue, and we fix it. Not sure what else you're looking for. We have a lot of active developers. Lots of hands to be responsive. Cheers, -g On Nov 11, 2009 1:48 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Davanum Srinivas

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Mark Phippard
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Igor Burilo igor.bur...@polarion.org wrote: Mark Phippard-3 wrote: I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL compatible code.  Basically, you just need to build

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread C. Michael Pilato
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Igor Burilo igor.bur...@polarion.org wrote: isn’t guaranteed (you and Michael Pilato are sceptic regarding Serf). Nobody Hang on - let's be clear here: ra_serf passes *all* of the Subversion regression tests just fine and has done

Re: [VOTE] Release Wink 1.0 (RC-5)

2009-11-11 Thread Nicholas L Gallardo
Hi Niclas, I promoted the release in Nexus so it is no long available in the staging repository, but now available here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/org/apache/wink/apache-wink/1.0-incubating/ I haven't been able to update the links on the download page as I'm

Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Matthieu Riou
Hi guys, What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC? I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact and therefore no real influence on graduation. Strong opinions

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Martijn Dashorst
As long as the community is not divided on the issue whether to practice RTC vs CTR, I see no blocker for graduation. That is: as long as RTC was not installed to mitigate problems inside the community. If that is the case, the community may still be broken, with the underlying issue mopped under

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Matthieu Riou wrote: Hi guys, What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC? I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact and therefore no real influence on

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:06, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... It already has the Apache License (v2), and it uses a NOTICE file (per the license), and our packaging is tighter/stronger than typical Apache

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Kulp
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how they use RTC. If all the reviews are done by a single person because that is what they want, THAT would be a problem. If the reviews are a community driven thing and the community thinks that's the best way for

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how they use RTC. Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is Cassandra and they're doing RTC by community choice. They all seem to agree that

Re: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Gilles Scokart
What will you say to the next incubating project asking the same thing? Gilles Scokart 2009/11/10 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling: * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org * placing the source code at

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Brian Fox
What is happening in some Java projects, via Maven's release plugin, is disturbing since the source release only exist in the subversion repository This problem has been solved and is no longer valid. Any repetition of the old news is total fud. We have for many months now been providing

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Brian, Do you mind sending an email to pmcs AT apache.org to inform them that they should be using this new version of Apache pom? And any other additional instructions needed to enable this feature to work. thanks, dims On 11/11/2009 03:51 PM, Brian Fox wrote: What is happening in some

Re: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Joe Schaefer
Easy: no, unless you have the same open source track record and constitution of apache folks as subversion does. - Original Message From: Gilles Scokart gscok...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 12:11:10 PM Subject: Re: Two other issues to

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wed November 11 2009 4:52:23 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote: Brian, Do you mind sending an email to pmcs AT apache.org to inform them that they should be using this new version of Apache pom? And any other additional instructions needed to enable this feature to work. Why? It's up to each

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Dan, It's up to each project to get their releases correct - Yes. But not everyone hangs out on the d...@maven or gene...@incubator. Hence the request to broadcast. I really don't understand the why? - No one is trying to mandate using a specific pom across all PMC(s). Just the fact that

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Kulp
Actually, the vote was kind of withdrawn to update it to new descriptors. Thus, its not available yet. In anycase, no need to spam all the PMCs, especially those not using Maven. Just keep an eye on the annou...@maven list. When available, it will be announced there. Dan On Wed

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever -- dims On 11/11/2009 05:43 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: Actually, the vote was kind of withdrawn to update it to new descriptors. Thus, its not available yet. In anycase, no need to spam all the PMCs, especially those not using

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Brian Fox
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever I think it's worth noting, I've had several projects asking for it to be available so they can use it and ditch their homebrew solutions. When it's

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Thanks Brian! On 11/11/2009 06:22 PM, Brian Fox wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Davanum Srinivasdava...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever I think it's worth noting, I've had several projects asking for it to be available so they

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou matth...@offthelip.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how they use RTC. Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is

Re: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion

2009-11-11 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling: * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org * placing the source code at /subversion/ rather than /incubator/subversion/ We are hoping to

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou matth...@offthelip.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Bruce Snyder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@apache.org wrote: Matthieu Riou wrote: Hi guys, What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC? I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I see it much more as a

Serf vs Neon (was Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-11 Thread Ralph Goers
Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble following along with all the noise. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is about making a change and discussing it. But you get *forward progress*. I also feel that RTC

Re: Serf vs Neon (was Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:48, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble following along with all the noise. At the root, it is a discussion about LGPL dependencies in an incoming podling. Neon is LGPL. Serf is

Re: Serf vs Neon (was Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-11 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:48, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble following along with all the noise. At the root, it is a discussion about LGPL

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how they use RTC. This appears to be where it came from: http://markmail.org/message/d45dmasuwnda25wd so about 6 months ago to try to help with

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread ant elder
I agree with that. And before graduation I think it might be worth trying to get CTR used more, they do seem open this - http://markmail.org/message/i255ekzxpuesow44 ...ant On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-11 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: I've participated in both styles of development. RTC is *stifling*. I would never want to see that in any Apache community for its routine development (branch releases are another matter). My opinion is that it is very