Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

Hi Stain, I used different wiki technologies for documentation in a previous project. One of the large blockers was that it was very hard to deal with versioned documentation, especially when dealing with many different manuals. To me, wikis work well for documentation targetted to developers

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

Yeah, we could remove the barrier by using the technology, instead of build another barrier for the communication. Most Chinese user barely use email for customer service, they just prefer to interaction directly with the people. But email could be more effective way, if we want to exchange

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

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Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I cannot agree more with that. It's not easy for the average user to understand the "mailing list rule", all they care is to get the answer as soon as possible. If they can get the answer from localize channel, they won't dig the mailing list. So It could be a good way if the committer or

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

+1 (non binding) Regards Liang -- View this message in context: http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/VOTE-Accept-RocketMQ-into-the-Apache-Incubator-tp52343p52449.html Sent from the Apache Incubator - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2

+1 release looks great, thanks Stian! John On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > The Apache Commons RDF podling has voted to release > > Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2 > > Vote thread: > >

[VOTE] Release Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2

The Apache Commons RDF podling has voted to release Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2 Vote thread: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d7e8d9b2276fed6b688b64d9096f02631a66eb01aaa9dde35d31bdf1@ This forwards two IPMC binding votes from Gary Gregory and Sergio Fernández. We now

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

Educate, trust and verify. IMO, there shouldn't be a rule that you can't write in non-English on dev@ or user@. You just have to understand the impact of doing so. Sometimes it will make sense to do so, other times, not. You have to know who in your community knows what languages. In Seattle,

Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

I guess primarily the answer is that your project should discuss this and use whatever they are comfortable with; the incubator is not forcing any technology. I would say that you should avoid proprietary formats (e.g. .docx) so that anyone can contribute. I think for developers Markdown (which

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I think we should separate language barriers for dev@ (a channel for all its developers to agree on what the project is doing) and users@, which could be much more diverse, but follow more of a Questions and Answer format. It's clear that in the Apache Way, the dev@ list should use a language

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

On 11 Nov 2016 6:18 am, "Luke Han" wrote: > It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to > access > gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers, > they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way. >

Re: svn commit: r1000984 - /websites/production/incubator/content/

James, Could you please test it locally? Run "ant" from the root directory, then open up target/site/projects/metron.html in a browser. John On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 4:52 PM wrote: > Author: jsirota > Date: Fri Nov 11 21:51:48 2016 > New Revision: 1000984 > > Log: >

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

Hi Woonsan, Yes, for the user@ list. At least up to a point where inline translation is working well and common. :) Thanks, Gunnar On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Gunnar Tapper > wrote: > >

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Gunnar Tapper wrote: > Hi, > > Copy/paste into a Translator, which detected the language automatically: In > practice, the question of the language to use from a list of diffusion is > specious. English it the lingua franca of the 21st

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

Feel free to edit, it's still not submitted. On Nov 11, 2016 15:42, "P. Taylor Goetz" wrote: Yeah, they pulled their report, but their still listed in the “Summary of podling reports” section. -Taylor > On Nov 11, 2016, at 3:34 PM, John D. Ament

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

Yeah, they pulled their report, but their still listed in the “Summary of podling reports” section. -Taylor > On Nov 11, 2016, at 3:34 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > > I believe they already removed themselves. > > On Nov 11, 2016 15:24, "P. Taylor Goetz"

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

I believe they already removed themselves. On Nov 11, 2016 15:24, "P. Taylor Goetz" wrote: > Hi John, > > Sorry for the late change request, but is it okay to remove Metron from > the report front matter since they aren’t due to report this month? > > -Taylor > > > On Nov 11,

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

Hi John, Sorry for the late change request, but is it okay to remove Metron from the report front matter since they aren’t due to report this month? -Taylor > On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > All, > > I'll be submitting this report in a couple of

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

Hi, Copy/paste into a Translator, which detected the language automatically: In practice, the question of the language to use from a list of diffusion is specious. English it the lingua franca of the 21st century. Du kan göra precis samma sak med ett minoritetsspråk som svenska. Språk är inte

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

En pratique, la question de la langue à utiliser sur une liste de diffusion est spécieuse. L'anglais est la Lingua Franca du 21ème siècle. And if you haven't understood what I wrote in my native language, which is understood by around 500 million people around the globe, I guess you get my

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

What about an Apache Language Exchange TLP that would help people bridge language barriers, all from an Apache POV. There could be language resources, links to places, books, and whatnots that folks have found helpful to learn a language. Perhaps even a weekly chat channel for people to congregate

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

Hi, I don't have any solutions, hence the discussion. If people show up on the mailing lists, you see them and can do whatever makes sense. That's not the issue. Like Ted, I believe the friendly approach is the way to go. We're using China as an example due to scale but I've seen

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I actually take a different tack on that. I answer questions everywhere and provide a pointer for other fora for followups. It gives a friendlier feeling, improves searchability and still encourages the mailing lists. My experience is that simply not answering and pushing the OP to the lists has

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I’m not sure that changes anything… that has been the nature of this since the beginning. For Apache… most happens on the mailing lists for very obvious reasons. Doing things outside tand not bringing them to the lists is frowned upon because it leaves the rest of the community in the dark.

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

Regardless of the language being used, keeping discussions on-list can be hard work. In practice it requires the core members of the community to doggedly refuse to answer questions that are not asked in the correct forum. I can see how that doggedness might be perceived as rudeness. Total

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

A few things... 1. There's a huge thriving Apache community in China that operates outside of "everything happens on mailing lists." 2. As a committer in an incubator, I want to have insight into those communities. 3. I need to figure out if there's anything that can be done to encourage this

Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

Thanks Shane. I started my career with (MUCH OLDER) markup languages in text editors where you had special tags for change bars etc. I agree that source control help diffs for developer while word processors provide easy ways to show diffs to the user. Wearing my UX hat, I optimize for users and

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

and you got your answer…. what changes? Jeff > On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Gunnar Tapper wrote: > > Hang on a second. This was not a discussion about RocketMQ. I asked a > question on the incubators list from a larger-picture perspective using > Trafodion and

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

Hang on a second. This was not a discussion about RocketMQ. I asked a question on the incubators list from a larger-picture perspective using Trafodion and RocketMQ as examples. As noted, neither Raynold nor I are part of the RocketMQ incubator so let's not ding that project for opinions expressed

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

Hi Luke: This question was originally asked on the incubator list. The members list was added somewhere on the line. Part of the incubator challenge is to show community growth. In the past, a good metric seems to have been to check interaction on the mailing lists; for example, on the user

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

In a similar vein, all aviation radio communication must be conducted in English. There is even more of an overriding need there due to safety, but it is driven by similar realities. In addition to historical origins, the bulk of original and continued core participants being English only or

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

> As mentioned, the Chinese users have chosen to find an alternate means > to communicate that was invisible to the project until I heard about it. So, I > choose to accept reality and provided a link to the discussion group so that > others that wanted to discuss in Chinese knew where to go.

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I mostly listen on this list, but being international I simply cannot let this go un responded. I never said English will bring in more users than China. I *did* say that if you want more international/cross-border users, you will need to use a more international language. Outside of China I

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Reynold Xin wrote: > I'd avoid using the argument that English will bring more users, as it is not > defensible and risk being interpreted as western arrogance. Afterall, three > out of the six largest Internet companies (by market cap) are

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

+1 (binding) Danese > On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: > > [ x] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

brought to the community. I believe that RocketMQ will be guided under the Apache way, towards a more collaborative and global community! On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Xiaorui Wang vintage.w...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (no binding) RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch Trillions of messages today(2016

Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

For people in this particular incubator. ;) On Nov 11, 2016 2:37 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper > wrote: > > ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use > Apache > >

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

All, I'll be submitting this report in a couple of hours, on behalf of the IPMC. I don't see any changes, but I will grab the current copy from https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2016 . John On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:12 PM John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > Below is

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

o binding) > > RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch > Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project. > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Bruce Snyder <bsny...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

Hi I am Chinese and now leading Apache CarbonData, very happy to see CarbonData community having the good mailing list traffic:(copy from Luke Han-2's post) Project | Emails| Topics| Participants HBase | 610 |406 | 100 Spark | 412

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

Just my 2 cents... I do not know for English - Chinese translations. But as a French native speaker who also speak a little bit of Japanese, my experience with Google translate is that it can be helpful between English and French (probably because those languages are relatively close), but is

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

health, global direction leaded by ASF. On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Xiaorui Wang <vintage.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 (no binding) > > RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch > Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project. > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Br

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

+1 (no binding) RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project. On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Bruce Snyder <bsny...@apache.org> wrote: > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on > accepting RocketMQ int

Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 11/11/16 9:37 AM: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper > wrote: >> ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use Apache >> OpenOffice for documentation > > *for some people*, right? I think many of us

Re: [DISCUSS] Documentation

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper wrote: > ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use Apache > OpenOffice for documentation *for some people*, right? I think many of us are big fans of creating documentation using structured

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > I believe the working language[1] of ASF projects is English... That's correct, so far, it's a far more concise way of expressing what I was trying to say ;-) The ASF is not currently able to provide oversight on projects

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution.

(note mixed private/public lists) Julian Hyde wrote on 11/11/16 8:31 AM: > I like the way that Reynold is coming at this. > > I am aware of the rule mandating English for discussions. But in the > interests of having no more rules than are strictly necessary, is it > not sufficient to tell PMCs

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I believe the working language[1] of ASF projects is English. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_language În Vin, 11 nov. 2016 la 11:13 Bertrand Delacretaz a scris: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Niclas Hedhman > wrote: > > ...there have

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > ...there have been language specific mailing lists in the past, but they tend > to be short-lived... I think an important distinction is between a project's dev list, which is where project decisions must be made. That

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Reynold Xin wrote: > Adding members@... Please don't cross-post, especially not between private and public list. general@incubator is a a fine place to have this discussions. -Bertrand

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 12:00 -0700, Gunnar Tapper wrote: > Hi, > > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion. > > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from > China. > > One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that active > on

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

I like the way that Reynold is coming at this. I am aware of the rule mandating English for discussions. But in the interests of having no more rules than are strictly necessary, is it not sufficient to tell PMCs (and PPMCs): "Do whatever you believe will engage the largest possible

Re:Re: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

+1, nice project. At 2016-11-11 13:51:04, "ji luo" wrote: >+1 > >2016-11-11 12:55 GMT+08:00 Luke Han : > >> +1 (binding) >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards! >> - >> >> Luke Han >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Hao Chen