Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi sebb,

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:58 PM, sebb  wrote:
> On 5 February 2018 at 11:01, Ian Luo  wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Considering today's large Dubbo users, I think we'd better separate the
>> mailing lists from the very beginning, so that everyone can be benefit
>> since in this way we could use dev to discuss product bugs/features, and
>> use user for troubleshooting purpose.
>
> Or you could keep the existing user list and transfer it later.
>
> Less upheaval initially.

I've removed user@ mailing list from the Dubbo proposal, will add it later.

>
>> Regards,
>> -Ian.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Mark Thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/02/18 11:44, Huxing Zhang wrote:
>>> > Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>> >
>>> > Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>> >
>>> > Dubbo is a high-performance, lightweight, Java based RPC framework.
>>> > Dubbo offers three key features, which includes interface based remote
>>> > call, fault tolerance & load balancing, and automatic service
>>> > registration & discovery.
>>> >
>>> > Any feedback from the incubator community is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Looks good to me.
>>>
>>> The only comment I have at this point is "Is the community sure it wants
>>> a separate users list?". Separating users and developers can make sense
>>> for large, well established projects. For newer projects, it can make it
>>> harder to build the community.
>>>
>>> I don't have a strong view on this. I will note it is trivial to create
>>> an additional list at a later point if one is needed.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

While it’s nice to see all the +1s this isn’t a vote thread. :-)

Does anyone have any feedback on the proposal?

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[王 欣]

+1
WangXin
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在 2018年2月7日，上午10:14，xin zhang > 
写道：

+1

On 7 Feb 2018, at 09:57, vintagewang 
> wrote:

+1

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Jim Jagielski 
> wrote:

+1

On Feb 3, 2018, at 6:44 AM, Huxing Zhang 
> wrote:

Dear Apache Incubator Community,

Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[xin zhang]

+1

> On 7 Feb 2018, at 09:57, vintagewang  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
>> +1
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 6:44 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>> 
>>> Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[vintagewang]

+1

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> +1
>
> > On Feb 3, 2018, at 6:44 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Apache Incubator Community,
> >
> > Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.1.0 release RC0

[Haibin Lin]

Hi Henri and Justin,

Thanks for the prompt feedbacks on the LICENSE file!

I also posted a PR
 to update the
years to be 2017-2018 in the NOTICE file. Furthermore, I created a task of
moving all submodules to the 3rdparty folder in JIRA at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MXNET-16, which should be fixed by
the release after 1.1.0.

Hi everyone,

Are there any other outstanding concerns regarding this RC? If not, I'll
move forward and create an RC1 with the updated LICENSE and NOTICE file.
Thanks!

Best,
Haibin

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Meghna Baijal 
wrote:

> Thanks Justin,
> We did remove that jar before creating this RC0 but thanks for answering
> the question.
>
> Meghna
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Please let me know if anyone sees any other major issues in this file.
> >
> > Thanks - that's looking a lot better. I did notice a question in the wiki
> > page "Question 5: is it ok to include a necessary jar?”. Compiled source
> > code can't be included in a source release so no it’s not OK to include
> it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.1.0 release RC0

[Meghna Baijal]

Thanks Justin,
We did remove that jar before creating this RC0 but thanks for answering
the question.

Meghna

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Please let me know if anyone sees any other major issues in this file.
>
> Thanks - that's looking a lot better. I did notice a question in the wiki
> page "Question 5: is it ok to include a necessary jar?”. Compiled source
> code can't be included in a source release so no it’s not OK to include it.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [VOTE] Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.1.0 release RC0

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Please let me know if anyone sees any other major issues in this file.

Thanks - that's looking a lot better. I did notice a question in the wiki page 
"Question 5: is it ok to include a necessary jar?”. Compiled source code can't 
be included in a source release so no it’s not OK to include it.

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Re: [VOTE] Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.1.0 release RC0

[Meghna Baijal]

Thanks Justin!

I have reviewed this PR
 and made a few more
changes. The final changes to the LICENSE file can be summarized as follows
-
1. I have reverted commit 8930d96 (PR #9484)
2. Revisited some comments from previous release which are now relevant and
made appropriate changes - based on points 8-11 and 13 to 19 in this wiki,
section E

3. Ran a fresh search for dependencies with a separate license and added
the missing ones to the LICENSE file.
4. Reviewed the Apache Policy and confirmed to the best of my understanding
the LICENSE file complies with the guidelines.

Please let me know if anyone sees any other major issues in this file.

Thanks,
Meghna Baijal

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > I have created a PR to revert the LICENSE file to the previous version. I
> > have also updated this file with a few packages that were missing here.
> > Link to PR - https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/9701
> >
> > It would be great if you could review this PR to suggest any other
> > necessary changes.
>
> Please follow the process at [1], what important is that the PPMC knows
> how to do this on their own.
>
> I would guess that a little more needs to be done than just reverting the
> changes as wouldn’t that mean the feedback from the previous release would
> of of been reverted as well?
>
> Double check that:
> - all 3rd party bundled software is mentioned in license (it's optional if
> you want to put ALv2 in there)
> - that only bundled things are mentioned and that dependancies are not
> - the full text of 3rd party licenses is included or pointed to from the
> LICENSE file
>
> If you miss a couple that’s OK, as every thing has a permissive license,
> we can fix that in a later release.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html
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[DISCUSS] Resolution to graduate Apache FreeMarker to TLP

[Daniel Dekany]

The FreeMarker community has discussed and voted positively on
graduating to a TLP. We'd like to initiate this discussion to
establish a consensus within the Incubator, and if appropriate, will
initiate a recommendation vote.

Status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html

Community Discussion:
- Project maturity model: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
- Graduation discussion: 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b8777f26a57eb7e2f2189a9b299f453ea2c664227ef36d280962b5a4@
- Resolution discussion: 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9a6e53784b930c2a90dbfb2bc725f3dee6a8611f9606f09185e65fe6@

Community Vote:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e85c72b2a7644005ff44d144e08807362e0461a5f854a1f691a960db@

The proposed Resolution of the Apache FreeMarker project:

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Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to 
the public, related to a template engine.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a template engine, and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache FreeMarker Project:

  * Dániel Dékány   
  * David E. Jones  
  * Jacopo Cappellato   
  * Jacques Le Roux 
  * Nan Lei 
  * Sergio Fernández
  * Woonsan Ko  

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.

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Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Dubbo - proposal for Apache Incubation

[Jim Jagielski]

+1

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 6:44 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> 
> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
> 
> Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Makoto Yui]

Justin,

2018-02-06 22:07 GMT+09:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
>> Update the NOTICE file.
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/NOTICE
>
> Look there is obvious a disconnect here and you are not understanding what 
> isand  required in regard with licensing and ASF policy. That's OK as 
> incubating project, it's hard to understand and hard to get right especially 
> when this is new to you, and guidance is not always clear and TLP project 
> seem to not comply. Again I ask you to ask your mentors to help.

I'm currently asking our mentor though not all our mentors would not
be experts of licensing issue.

Again, http://apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice says
"The NOTICE file *may* also include copyright notices moved from
source files submitted to the ASF."

SGA providers would expect copyright are left in somewhere.
https://github.com/myui/hivemall/blob/v0.4.2-rc.2/NOTICE#L8 (before
entering Incubator)

I'll ask about this issue to confirm about the above guidance in legal-discuss@.

> No I would still vote -1. Again please speak to your mentors and understand 
> what the issues are here before bring the vote back to a incubator vote.
>
> That’s the last I have to say on this before we see a new RC.

Thank you for taking your time.

Makoto

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Update the NOTICE file.
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/NOTICE

Look there is obvious a disconnect here and you are not understanding what 
isand  required in regard with licensing and ASF policy. That's OK as 
incubating project, it's hard to understand and hard to get right especially 
when this is new to you, and guidance is not always clear and TLP project seem 
to not comply. Again I ask you to ask your mentors to help.

> Tomcat states "Copyright 2014 The Netty Project" and "Copyright 2014
> Twitter" following [1].
> https://github.com/apache/tomcat/blob/trunk/NOTICE#L28

Which has been discussed on this list before as is not related to copyright it 
to do with propagation of the contents of bundled Apache licensed NOTICE file. 
Netty has it’s own issues re it’s NOTICE file.

> You concern cleared?

No I would still vote -1. Again please speak to your mentors and understand 
what the issues are here before bring the vote back to a incubator vote.

That’s the last I have to say on this before we see a new RC.

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Makoto Yui]

Hi Justin,

2018-02-06 17:53 GMT+09:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
>> To clear discussion, the missing license body is specifically for
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/LICENSE#L315
>
> Again please carefully read [1] to comply you need to include a pointer to 
> the full text of the license not a URL. If you need to download the license 
> text and place that in a file in the release please do so.

I put License file of OFL 1.1 in the distribution and put link to it
in the LICENSE.
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/commit/446eac6703270aa00c8cb00dd115e7500faf6518

Font-awesome v4.6.3 uses SIL OFL 1.1 for it's License.
https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/blob/v4.6.3/css/font-awesome.css#L3

I assume we do not need to put Apache LICENSE v2 file for
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/LICENSE#L216

For other licenses, full texts of licenses are included.

>>> - The NOTICE file still contains too much information [2]
>>
>> Made NOTICE clean and revised License headers following [1] with the
>> following commit:
>
> I see you are still listing the copyrights in NOTICE. Again please ask your 
> mentors for help on what is required here.

Update the NOTICE file.
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/NOTICE

[1] http://apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice
says "The NOTICE file may also include copyright notices moved from
source files submitted to the ASF."

Tomcat states "Copyright 2014 The Netty Project" and "Copyright 2014
Twitter" following [1].
https://github.com/apache/tomcat/blob/trunk/NOTICE#L28

For our case, copyright before entering incubators are L10-13.
The three copyright holders sent SGA when entering Incubator.

You concern cleared?

Thanks,
Makoto

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Yep looks like you are including Font Awesome 4.6.3 not 5.  [1] A good reason 
to put the exact version of the 3rd party software somewhere so you know which 
license applies.

Thanks,
Justin

1. 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/a31d0aab3f419812cae7da426f6dcdc9a7be72b5/src/site/resources/css/font-awesome.css
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Sorry links got removed for some reason. Again please read [1] and check the 
CC-BY license [2][, you may also want to read [3] re CC-BY which may be an 
issue here. However it's not clear what version of font awesome you are 
including the links provided refer to version 5 which is under slightly 
different licensing terms to pervious versions.

Thanks,
Justin

1.http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps
2. https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/blob/master/LICENSE.txt
3. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b


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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> To clear discussion, the missing license body is specifically for
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/LICENSE#L315

Again please carefully read [1] to comply you need to include a pointer to the 
full text of the license not a URL. If you need to download the license text 
and place that in a file in the release please do so.

> Font-awesome uses github mention for Copyright (unclear).
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/master/src/site/resources/css/font-awesome.css#L2

Also note you include code which is CC-BY according to [3].

> BTW, font-awesome is widely used in many ASF projects.
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=org%3Aapache+SIL+Open+Font+License+filename%3ALICENSE=Code

It's normally used as part of bootstrap and the license in that case is clearer.

> So, I would like to follow the other TLP project passing ASF legal checks for 
> this incubator release.

TLP may have historical reasons for the contents of LICENSE and NOTICE and 
policy has changed over time.  While good for guidance please don’t assume that 
just because a TLP does something some way that it’s OK for your project to do 
it the same way.

> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/34e106f63c9dcd2673d66b47fda1555b7dced770/LICENSE#L301
> https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/247719d7314232f680f028f4e1a19370ffb7b1bb/tez-dist/dist-files/full/LICENSE#L352
> https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/0938c7b6d767e3242874d87a30d9112512d9243a/LICENSE#L264
> https://github.com/apache/phoenix/blob/ee4355791acf3f31568fcd8c43367947d25a1386/LICENSE#L233
> 
> Isn't it acceptable?

IMO from a quick look none of those are acceptable but that’s for their PMCs to 
deal with not the incubator. It may be that they included the full text of the 
license elsewhere.

> 
>> - The NOTICE file still contains too much information [2]
> 
> Made NOTICE clean and revised License headers following [1] with the
> following commit:

I see you are still listing the copyrights in NOTICE. Again please ask your 
mentors for help on what is required here.

> I expect it resolves your concern.

No I would still vote -1 on a release with those changes.

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hivemall (Incubating) v0.5.0-RC2

[Makoto Yui]

Hi Justin,

Thank you for your reply.

2018-02-06 16:12 GMT+09:00 Justin Mclean :
> Note the mix of public and private lists (as I’m replying to where it was 
> sent).

CC'd private@ to notify discussion to our project mentors. Changed to dev@

> From a quick look:
> - In LICENSE you need to link to the full text of the license locally not via 
> URL [1] licenses at URLs can change over time. Having the exact version and a 
> URL is useful but shouldn’t be the primary way to include license information.

To clear discussion, the missing license body is specifically for
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/v0.5.0/LICENSE#L315

font-awesome does not include license body just use link to OFL 1.1
for Font license.
https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/blob/master/LICENSE.txt#L13

We need to fill copyrights of OFL 1.1 [2] but copyright of
font-awesome is unclear.
OFL 1.1 copyright form is not willed.
https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/issues/5281

Font-awesome uses github mention for Copyright (unclear).
https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/blob/master/src/site/resources/css/font-awesome.css#L2

BTW, font-awesome is widely used in many ASF projects.
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=org%3Aapache+SIL+Open+Font+License+filename%3ALICENSE=Code

So, I would like to follow the other TLP project passing ASF legal
checks for this incubator release.
https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/34e106f63c9dcd2673d66b47fda1555b7dced770/LICENSE#L301
https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/247719d7314232f680f028f4e1a19370ffb7b1bb/tez-dist/dist-files/full/LICENSE#L352
https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/0938c7b6d767e3242874d87a30d9112512d9243a/LICENSE#L264
https://github.com/apache/phoenix/blob/ee4355791acf3f31568fcd8c43367947d25a1386/LICENSE#L233

Isn't it acceptable?

> - The NOTICE file still contains too much information [2]

Made NOTICE clean and revised License headers following [1] with the
following commit:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-hivemall/commit/147f26fa25bacb4134256a01f6ff84e14a505b7a

I expect it resolves your concern.

> Your mentors can help you out with this, please ask them to help.

Sure.

Makoto

[1] https://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#3party
[2] 
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/render_download.php?format=file_id=OFL_plaintext=OFL.txt

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