Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (non-binding) Best, tison. Guangxu Cheng 于2019年12月4日周三 下午3:31写道： > +1 (non-binding) > > Regards > > Mohammad Asif Siddiqui 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:57写道： > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Regards > > Asif > > > > On 2019/12/04 05:31:46, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > > wide > > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many > other > > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > > standards > > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > > degree > > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > > From > > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory > Nutt. > > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > > grown > > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now > it > > is > > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > > of > > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > > map > > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache > and > > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > > primary > > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. > We > > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use > in > > > embedded products. > > > > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > > contribute > > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities > to > > > all contributors. > > > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > > many > > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > > changes, > > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > > little > > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google > group > > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other > communications > > are > > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > > discussions. > > > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open > source > > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > > There > > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > > project. > > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > > and > > > other more specialized functions. > > > > > > > > > =Alignment= > > > > > > NuttX is
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (binding) On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 AM Guangxu Cheng wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Regards > > Mohammad Asif Siddiqui 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:57写道： > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Regards > > Asif > > > > On 2019/12/04 05:31:46, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > > wide > > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many > other > > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > > standards > > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > > degree > > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > > From > > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory > Nutt. > > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > > grown > > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now > it > > is > > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > > of > > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > > map > > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache > and > > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > > primary > > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. > We > > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use > in > > > embedded products. > > > > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > > contribute > > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities > to > > > all contributors. > > > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > > many > > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > > changes, > > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > > little > > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google > group > > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other > communications > > are > > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > > discussions. > > > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open > source > > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > > There > > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > > project. > > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > > and > > > other more specialized functions. > > > > > > > > > =Alignment= > > > > > > NuttX is an
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (non-binding) Regards Mohammad Asif Siddiqui 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:57写道： > +1 (binding) > > Regards > Asif > > On 2019/12/04 05:31:46, 俊平堵 wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > wide > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > standards > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > degree > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > From > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > grown > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it > is > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > of > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > map > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > primary > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > > embedded products. > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > contribute > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > > all contributors. > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > many > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > changes, > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > little > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications > are > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > discussions. > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > There > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > project. > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > and > > other more specialized functions. > > > > > > =Alignment= > > > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > > > > =Known Risks= > > > > ==Orphaned Products== > > > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome > of > > incubation. > > > > Should the
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (binding) Regards Asif On 2019/12/04 05:31:46, 俊平堵 wrote: > Hi folks, > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > Apache Incubator. > > > Please cast your vote: > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > =Abstract= > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has wide > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to standards > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high degree > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > high end single board computers. > > > =Proposal= > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. From > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has grown > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it is > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability of > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road map > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > =Initial Goals= > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A primary > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > =Current Status= > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > embedded products. > > > ==Meritocracy== > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to contribute > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > all contributors. > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with many > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of changes, > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a little > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > committers can quickly be established. > > > ==Community== > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications are > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > discussions. > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > ==Core Developers== > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. There > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the project. > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, and > other more specialized functions. > > > =Alignment= > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > =Known Risks= > > ==Orphaned Products== > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome of > incubation. > > Should the NuttX project be accepted by the Incubator, the prospective PPMC > would be willing to agree to a target incubation period of 2 years or less, > knowing that every Incubator project incurs a certain cost in terms of ASF > infrastructure and volunteer time. > > > ==Inexperience with Open Source== > > None of the
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (binding) Regards Kevin On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Stein wrote: > +1 (binding) > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:30 PM 俊平堵 wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > wide > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > standards > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > degree > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > From > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > grown > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it > is > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > of > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > map > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > primary > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > > embedded products. > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > contribute > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > > all contributors. > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > many > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > changes, > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > little > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications > > are > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > discussions. > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > There > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > project. > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > and > > other more specialized functions. > > > > > > =Alignment= > > > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > > > > =Known Risks= > > > > ==Orphaned Products== > > > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome > of > > incubation. > > > > Should the NuttX
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (binding) On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:30 PM 俊平堵 wrote: > Hi folks, > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > Apache Incubator. > > > Please cast your vote: > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > =Abstract= > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has wide > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to standards > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high degree > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > high end single board computers. > > > =Proposal= > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. From > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has grown > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it is > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability of > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road map > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > =Initial Goals= > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A primary > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > =Current Status= > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > embedded products. > > > ==Meritocracy== > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to contribute > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > all contributors. > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with many > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of changes, > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a little > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > committers can quickly be established. > > > ==Community== > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications > are > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > discussions. > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > ==Core Developers== > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. There > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the project. > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, and > other more specialized functions. > > > =Alignment= > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > =Known Risks= > > ==Orphaned Products== > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome of > incubation. > > Should the NuttX project be accepted by the Incubator, the prospective PPMC > would be willing to agree to a target incubation period of 2 years or less, > knowing that every Incubator project incurs a certain cost in terms of ASF > infrastructure and volunteer time. > > > ==Inexperience with Open Source== > > None of the initial committers are Apache members and we will need some >
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (non-binding) Thanks, Ming Wen, Apache APISIX Twitter: _WenMing Sheng Wu 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:04写道： > +1 binding > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Dave Fisher 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:03写道： > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:30 PM, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > > wide > > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many > other > > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > > standards > > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > > degree > > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > > From > > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory > Nutt. > > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > > grown > > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now > it > > is > > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > > of > > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > > map > > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache > and > > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > > primary > > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. > We > > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use > in > > > embedded products. > > > > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > > contribute > > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities > to > > > all contributors. > > > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > > many > > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > > changes, > > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > > little > > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google > group > > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other > communications > > are > > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > > discussions. > > > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open > source > > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > > There > > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > > project. > > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > > and > > >
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 binding Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Dave Fisher 于2019年12月4日周三 下午2:03写道： > +1 (binding) > > Regards, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:30 PM, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > > > Apache Incubator. > > > > > > Please cast your vote: > > > > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > > > > =Abstract= > > > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > wide > > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > standards > > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high > degree > > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > > high end single board computers. > > > > > > =Proposal= > > > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > From > > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > grown > > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it > is > > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability > of > > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road > map > > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > > > > =Initial Goals= > > > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A > primary > > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > > > > =Current Status= > > > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > > embedded products. > > > > > > ==Meritocracy== > > > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to > contribute > > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > > all contributors. > > > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with > many > > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of > changes, > > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a > little > > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > > committers can quickly be established. > > > > > > ==Community== > > > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications > are > > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > > discussions. > > > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > > > > ==Core Developers== > > > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. > There > > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the > project. > > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, > and > > other more specialized functions. > > > > > > =Alignment= > > > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > > > > =Known Risks= > > > > ==Orphaned Products== > > > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome >
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
+1 (binding) Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:30 PM, 俊平堵 wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > Apache Incubator. > > > Please cast your vote: > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. > > > =Abstract= > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has wide > usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other > systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to standards > and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high degree > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > high end single board computers. > > > =Proposal= > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. From > that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. > The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and > perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has grown > to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it is > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability of > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road map > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > =Initial Goals= > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A primary > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > =Current Status= > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > embedded products. > > > ==Meritocracy== > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to contribute > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > all contributors. > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with many > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of changes, > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a little > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > committers can quickly be established. > > > ==Community== > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications are > through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > discussions. > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > ==Core Developers== > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. There > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the project. > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, and > other more specialized functions. > > > =Alignment= > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > =Known Risks= > > ==Orphaned Products== > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome of > incubation. > > Should the NuttX project be accepted by the Incubator, the prospective PPMC > would be willing to agree to a target incubation period of 2 years or less, > knowing that every Incubator project incurs a certain cost in terms of ASF > infrastructure and volunteer time. > > > ==Inexperience with Open
Re: [VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:30 AM 俊平堵 wrote: > The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. > > > Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the > > Apache Incubator. > > > Please cast your vote: > > > [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator > > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > > [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... > > > The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the > > Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. I vote: +1 (non-binding) to show my support for NuttX becoming an Apache podling and in gratitude for both the Apache and NuttX communities, respectively. Thank you, Nathan Hartman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator
Hi folks, The [DISCUSS] thread on NuttX has died down. Accordingly, I would like to call a VOTE to accept NuttX into the Apache Incubator. Please cast your vote: [ ] +1, bring NuttX into the Incubator [ ] +0, I don't care either way [ ] -1, do not bring NuttX into the Incubator, because... The vote will open at least for 72 hours and only votes from the Incubator PMC are binding, but votes from everyone are welcome. =Abstract= NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has wide usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many other systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to standards and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high degree of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through high end single board computers. =Proposal= NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. From that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory Nutt. The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects and perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has grown to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it is time to open this project to the participation of others because this consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability of a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road map going forward that does not depend on a single person. For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a first step in opening the project to wider participation. =Initial Goals= The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A primary goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. =Current Status= As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in embedded products. ==Meritocracy== We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to contribute and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to all contributors. Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with many people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of changes, and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a little guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced committers can quickly be established. ==Community== NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications are through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive discussions. Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and contributions is more than a full time job at this time. ==Core Developers== NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. There are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the project. The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, and other more specialized functions. =Alignment= NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. =Known Risks= ==Orphaned Products== We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome of incubation. Should the NuttX project be accepted by the Incubator, the prospective PPMC would be willing to agree to a target incubation period of 2 years or less, knowing that every Incubator project incurs a certain cost in terms of ASF infrastructure and volunteer time. ==Inexperience with Open Source== None of the initial committers are Apache members and we will need some help in learning the Apache Way. ==Salaried Developers== It is expected that NuttX development will occur primarily on volunteer time, after hours. One initial committer will be paid by Xiaomi. All initial committers are all equally passionate about the project.
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Agree. 4 Mentors could be good enough for now. We can add more if needed during incubating. Personally, I dislike to differentiate which IPMCs are experienced or not - this is not Apache, IMO. I will call vote in a minute. Thanks, Junping Flavio Junqueira 于2019年12月3日周二 下午11:27写道： > To Justin's point, there are four listed mentors. Even if the listed > mentors either haven't been active or do not have tons of extra time, I'd > think that among four we should be able to figure it out. If anyone else > steps up, then great, but otherwise, we should not block the vote on it. > > -Flavio > > > On 3 Dec 2019, at 15:38, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > >Yes. The mentor of incubator project here is to guide the project to > > follow Apache way but not the knowledge on specific project. > >Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as > > initial committer per Greg's suggestions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Junping > > > > Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月3日周二 下午10:31写道： > > > >> > >>> Sorry Justin, > >>> > >>> Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor. > >> But you are certainly welcome to be added as an initial committer. > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Sure. I just added. Now the proposal is final for vote. Thanks, Junping Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月4日周三 上午8:55写道： > > > > >> Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as > >> initial committer per Greg's suggestions. > > > > I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE > > as an initial committer as well. I > > posted the current state of the proposal in the NuttX forum and so > > there may be additional volunteers. I appreciate that we do have to > > cut this off at some point and I also appreciate your patience with > > the volatility. > > > Another person has requested to be an initial committer. If possible, > please add him to the proposal as well: Nathan Hartman > > > Greg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:55 PM Gregory Nutt wrote: > Another person has requested to be an initial committer. If possible, > please add him to the proposal as well: Nathan Hartman > > > Greg Thank you, Greg. I've subscribed to this mailing list and I'll await further instructions... FWIW I already have my ICLA on file (I'm a member of the Apache Subversion PMC) so that should be one less step. :-) Let me know of anything I can do to help... Cheers, Nathan Hartman
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as initial committer per Greg's suggestions. I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE as an initial committer as well. I posted the current state of the proposal in the NuttX forum and so there may be additional volunteers. I appreciate that we do have to cut this off at some point and I also appreciate your patience with the volatility. Another person has requested to be an initial committer. If possible, please add him to the proposal as well: Nathan Hartman Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
My concerns are already addressed Alin -Original Message- From: Ted Dunning Sent: den 3 december 2019 05:19 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal My concerns are addressed as well. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > My concerns have been addressed. I think we can proceed with the VOTE. > I intend to be +1(binding) > > Regards, > Dave > > > On Dec 2, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Craig Russell wrote: > > > > IPMC hat on... > > > >> On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) > wrote: > >> > >> Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 > 下午4:24写道： > >> > >>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) > >>> > >>> wrote: > > ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been > developing and maintaining the project for 15 years... > >>> > >>> I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I > >>> agree that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the project's creator. > >>> > ...No matter what is the name, he will be the center of the > project > >>> > >>> Having someone be THE center of an Apache project is not ok, our > >>> projects are governed by their PMCs. > >>> > >> Yes, I agree. What I say is abount the current state, when we just > >> enter the incubator, no doubt Greg will still be the center, as he > >> has been holding the project for 15 years, changing the name can > >> not change this fact... > >> > >>> > >>> But as I just said in my reply to Ted about the bus factor, IMO > >>> that's something that can be sorted out during incubation, > >>> especially if the project's current "benevolent dictator" > >>> expressly mentions a desire to step down from that role. > >>> > >> Yes. Thank you very much. This is something that needs to be > >> addressed during the incubating time. At least, Greg said in this > >> thread that he > is > >> willing to give up control, let's see if this could come to true. > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, > > and > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow > the project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the > > project, > but in a different role. > > > > Regards, > > Craig > >> > >>> > >>> -Bertrand > >>> > >>> -- > >>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > > > > Craig L Russell > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
RE: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi My name is Alin Jerpelea I am working as a senior open source software architect at Sony. After Greg donated the project to ASF I hope that we can all work together to make this project succeed. Regards Alin -Original Message- From: xiang xiao Sent: den 3 december 2019 01:48 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal My name is Xiang Xiao, I am an software architect from Xiaomi. One of my important commitment is working with Greg to make NuttX become the Apache Top Level Project. Thanks Xiang On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM David Sidrane wrote: > > Hello All, > > My name is David Sidrane and I am listed as a member of the initial > NuttX PPMC and fully committed to the project and its successful move to > Apache. > > I would like to commend all of you for your insights. We as a project > have to learn about functioning in the Apache way. I am looking > forward to the mentoring you can offer us. > > Greg's dedication has always been highly respected by all of us who > have worked on NuttX. This donation to ASF is, in fact, in support of > his legacy and I hope you will all join us in honoring his work and > dedication. > > Regards, > > David > > -Original Message- > From: Duo Zhang [mailto:zhang...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 3:45 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal > > The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers. > > And I think we can let the initial committers reply here to confirm > that they will be active, at least in the early time in the incubator, > before we elect new PPMC members. > > Does this solve your concerns? Thanks Dave. > > Dave Fisher 于2019年12月2日 周一01:38写道： > > > I share Ted’s concerns. > > > > It would help if the initial committer list was greater than the > > bare minimum of three. Three PPMC members is not enough. There needs > > to be at least five committers to start. > > > > (Should there be an explicit minimum in the proposal template?) > > > > It’s often the case that some initial committers do not actually > > transition to the incubating podling. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > > > > I doubt that the name is the crucial issue. I would see that have > > > a substantial group of initial committers who are active in > > > setting up > > there > > > project would be the crucial step. That doesn't have to happen > > > before incubation. > > > > > > As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected > > > vacation > > right > > > now without messing up the move to Apache, I would have no > > > worries. That > > is > > > almost certainly not true, but it can serve to illuminate the > > > factors > > that > > > make it not true. Is the decision-making centralized? Are there > > problematic > > > thoughts about retaining a high bar to committee status? Do > > > community members automatically defer to Greg rather than move > > > forward on > > decisions? > > > Are non-coders excluded from committer status? > > > > > > I don't know the answers to these questions, but I have a very > > > strong expectation that this will be harder to address than > > > expected so it is really good that this has already been > > > identified and there are some actions in progress. The only thing > > > I can really add is that the > > community > > > members probably don't yet know how big a deal this will be and > > > the > > Apache > > > folks probably assume more cultural transfer than has actually happened. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:43 PM Justin Mclean > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >>> Having a project that seems to have the name of a prominent > > >>> community member seems to pose a risk that there is a benevolent > > >>> dictator pattern > > >> at > > >>> work here. > > >> > > >> Greg is aware of the “no dictators rule" and has already answered > > >> this > > in > > >> this thread. He willing to hand over responsibilities to the > > >> wider community and give up his trademark. > > >> > > >> Do you think it would be a good idea to change the name of the project? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Justin > > >> - > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi, Junping Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as initial committer per Greg's suggestions. I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE as an initial committer as well. I posted the current state of the proposal in the NuttX forum and so there may be additional volunteers. I appreciate that we do have to cut this off at some point and I also appreciate your patience with the volatility. Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Hi Justin and Incubator I could help the project as a mentor, if this could ease your concern. This whole IoT OS is unfamiliar to me, I will keep as best as I could to follow up the project :) Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二下午10:00写道： > Hi, > > I still think another more experienced mentor is needed. I’m thankful for > the two others who have stepped forward to help out, and I’m sure they will > do a good job, but it is a big commitment and neither are currently mentors > on other projects (apologies in advance if I’ve got that wrong) I'm have > the reverse issue in that currently mentoring 4 other projects and I’m also > the VP of the Incubator which takes up a lot of my time. So I may not be > available 100% off the time and would prefer there’s another mentor with a > few podlings under their belts to help out. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking Apache Incubator Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
To Justin's point, there are four listed mentors. Even if the listed mentors either haven't been active or do not have tons of extra time, I'd think that among four we should be able to figure it out. If anyone else steps up, then great, but otherwise, we should not block the vote on it. -Flavio > On 3 Dec 2019, at 15:38, 俊平堵 wrote: > > Hi Alan, >Yes. The mentor of incubator project here is to guide the project to > follow Apache way but not the knowledge on specific project. >Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as > initial committer per Greg's suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Junping > > Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月3日周二 下午10:31写道： > >> >>> Sorry Justin, >>> >>> Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor. >> But you are certainly welcome to be added as an initial committer. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi Alan, Yes. The mentor of incubator project here is to guide the project to follow Apache way but not the knowledge on specific project. Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as initial committer per Greg's suggestions. Thanks, Junping Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月3日周二 下午10:31写道： > > > Sorry Justin, > > > > Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor. > But you are certainly welcome to be added as an initial committer. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Sorry Justin, Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor. But you are certainly welcome to be added as an initial committer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Sorry Justin, Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor. BR, Alan On 12/3/19, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > Hi Justin, > > I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX contributor since I > discovered the project in 2010 and actively contributing > drivers/porting since 2013. Also I change a YouTube channel called > NuttX Channel to help beginner to get started. > > I think there are developers with more skills than me, I'm BCC they > here and I hope they subscribe to this mailing list and also offer as > mentor. > > BR, > > Alan > > On 12/3/19, Justin Mclean wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I still think another more experienced mentor is needed. I’m thankful for >> the two others who have stepped forward to help out, and I’m sure they >> will >> do a good job, but it is a big commitment and neither are currently >> mentors >> on other projects (apologies in advance if I’ve got that wrong) I'm have >> the >> reverse issue in that currently mentoring 4 other projects and I’m also >> the >> VP of the Incubator which takes up a lot of my time. So I may not be >> available 100% off the time and would prefer there’s another mentor with >> a >> few podlings under their belts to help out. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi Justin, I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX contributor since I discovered the project in 2010 and actively contributing drivers/porting since 2013. Also I change a YouTube channel called NuttX Channel to help beginner to get started. I think there are developers with more skills than me, I'm BCC they here and I hope they subscribe to this mailing list and also offer as mentor. BR, Alan On 12/3/19, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > I still think another more experienced mentor is needed. I’m thankful for > the two others who have stepped forward to help out, and I’m sure they will > do a good job, but it is a big commitment and neither are currently mentors > on other projects (apologies in advance if I’ve got that wrong) I'm have the > reverse issue in that currently mentoring 4 other projects and I’m also the > VP of the Incubator which takes up a lot of my time. So I may not be > available 100% off the time and would prefer there’s another mentor with a > few podlings under their belts to help out. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi, I still think another more experienced mentor is needed. I’m thankful for the two others who have stepped forward to help out, and I’m sure they will do a good job, but it is a big commitment and neither are currently mentors on other projects (apologies in advance if I’ve got that wrong) I'm have the reverse issue in that currently mentoring 4 other projects and I’m also the VP of the Incubator which takes up a lot of my time. So I may not be available 100% off the time and would prefer there’s another mentor with a few podlings under their belts to help out. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Looks like we have enough number of mentors and all concerns have been addressed. I will call a vote soon. Thanks, Junping 俊平堵 于2019年11月26日周二 下午6:12写道： > Greetings folks: > > > Here is proposal for NuttX (an IOT OS project) which I look forward to > hearing feedback. The proposal is also on the wiki[1]. > > Please note that this project is looking for mentors, so for IPMCs, please > volunteer if you are interested to offer help here. Thx! > > > NuttX > > > =Abstract= > > NuttX is a mature, real-time embedded operating system (RTOS). It has > wide usage in IoT projects, control systems, robotics, drones, and many > other systems. Unique properties of NuttX are its strict adherence to > standards and its scalability. NuttX follows the Unix standards as defined > by OpenGroup.org (POSIX, ANSI, and others). This allows for a high degree > of portability. Scalability is supported through a configuration system > that allows NuttX to run on the smallest embedded platforms and through > high end single board computers. > > > =Proposal= > > NuttX was released under a BSD 3-Clause license on February 17, 2007. > From that time until now it has been managed by a single person, Gregory > Nutt. The user base of NuttX has grown to probably thousands of projects > and perhaps a hundred active developments at any time. The code base has > grown to around 1.5 million lines of code (according to OpenHub.com). > > NuttX has benefited from this single person management because this has > resulted in a consistent architecture and controlled growth. But now it is > time to open this project to the participation of others because this > consistent architecture assures solid future growth, and because the > magnitude of effort required to support the RTOS exceeds the capability of > a single person, but also because users of NuttX require a stable road map > going forward that does not depend on a single person. > > For these reasons, I propose that NuttX enter the Apache Incubator as a > first step in opening the project to wider participation. > > > =Initial Goals= > > The initial goal will be to move the existing BSD code base to Apache and > integrate with the Apache development process and infrastructure. A primary > goal of incubation will be to grow and diversify the NuttX community. We > will convert that code base to the Apache license during incubation. > > > =Current Status= > > As previously mentioned, NuttX is a mature, stable product in wide use in > embedded products. > > > ==Meritocracy== > > We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an open > community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to contribute > and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage and monitor > participation and make sure to extend privileges and responsibilities to > all contributors. > > Being a mature project, NuttX already has an extensive user base with many > people who understand the software, who have committed hundreds of changes, > and are happy to participate in the project. I believe that with a little > guidance and formalization, a PMC and a large group of experienced > committers can quickly be established. > > > ==Community== > > NuttX has a large, active community. Communication is via a Google group > at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nuttx where there are 395 > members as of this writing. Code is currently maintained > at Bitbucket.org at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/. Other communications > are through Bitbucket issues and also via Slack for focused, interactive > discussions. > > Keeping up with the communications, requests for help, issues, and > contributions is more than a full time job at this time. > > > ==Core Developers== > > NuttX was initially developed by Gregory Nutt, released as an open source > project on February 17, 2007, and is still under active development. There > are several dozen, active, frequent contributors involved with the project. > The core OS can be considered finished at this point, but development > continues in specialized areas of networking, IoT, cryptography, tools, and > other more specialized functions. > > > =Alignment= > > NuttX is an original development with some small percentage of ported > code. It stands alone depends on no other projects. > > > =Known Risks= > > ==Orphaned Products== > > We are committed to the future development of NuttX and understand that > graduation to a TLP, while preferable, is not the only positive outcome of > incubation. > > Should the NuttX project be accepted by the Incubator, the prospective > PPMC would be willing to agree to a target incubation period of 2 years or > less, knowing that every Incubator project incurs a certain cost in terms > of ASF infrastructure and volunteer time. > > > ==Inexperience with Open Source== > > None of the initial committers are Apache members and we will need some > help in learning the Apache Way. > > > ==Salaried Developers== > > It is
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Hi Flavio, Thanks for volunteering! I am adding you as the mentor of the project. Thanks, Junping Flavio Junqueira 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:28写道： > Hi Junping, > > I'd like to volunteer. > > -Flavio > > > On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 wrote: > > > > Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted. > > Any other volunteers? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Junping > > > > Ted Dunning 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道： > > > >> Jumping, > >> > >> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a > >> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor. > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 wrote: > >> > >>> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. > >>> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get > >>> volunteer here. > >>> Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make > sure > >> it > >>> follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Junping > >>> > >>> Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > >>> > Hi, > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call > >> for a > vote. > Thanks, > Justin > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > > wrote: > > > >> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks > >> to > >>> go > >> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that > >>> that > > the > >> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL > >> effect. > >> > >> Just a thought, > >> -Alex > >> > >> On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" > >> wrote: > >> > >>Very well said. > >> > >>I am optimistic. > >> > >>On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt < > >> spudan...@gmail.com > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > >> incubator, and > >>> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > >> demonstrate > >>> during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and > allow > >> the > >>> project to move forward without the founder's undue > >> influence. > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on > >>> the > >> project, > >>> but in a different role. > >>> > >>> I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved > >> with > this > >>> discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > >> intention to > >>> divest myself of total authority over the project just as > >>> stated > in > >> the > >>> Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the > >>> initial > >>> formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > > fulfillment > >> of > >>> Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on > >> all > >> decisions > >>> before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > > opinion > >>> about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > >> however. > >>> > >>> I will be available as needed for information needed by the > others > > to > >>> accomplish this transition but for the most part, just > >> consider > me > >> as on > >>> vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay > >> out > >>> of > > the > >>> way as much as possible. > >>> > >>> I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in > this. > >>> Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. > Yes, > >> the > >>> project is very dear to me and the result of many years of > >>> blood, > >> sweat, > >>> and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long > hours. > >>> Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my > >> past > role > >>> because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did > everything. I > >>> still do. > >>> > >>> There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload > >> has > >> gotten > >>> to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around > >> 60-100 > >> changes > >>> per week and really have no personal life left. It is more > >>> than > I > >> can > >>> do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to > solve > >> that > >>> is to open the project up to others working as equals. The > second, > >> and > >>> more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years > >>> old > >> now. > >>> I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control > >> this > >> project > >>> long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I > really >
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Hi Junping, I'd like to volunteer. -Flavio > On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 wrote: > > Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted. > Any other volunteers? > > Thanks, > > Junping > > Ted Dunning 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道： > >> Jumping, >> >> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a >> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor. >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 wrote: >> >>> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. >>> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get >>> volunteer here. >>> Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure >> it >>> follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Junping >>> >>> Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： >>> Hi, As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call >> for a vote. Thanks, Justin On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > wrote: > >> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks >> to >>> go >> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that >>> that > the >> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL >> effect. >> >> Just a thought, >> -Alex >> >> On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" >> wrote: >> >>Very well said. >> >>I am optimistic. >> >>On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt < >> spudan...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> This is a good discussion to have had before entering the >> incubator, and >>> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can >> demonstrate >>> during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow >> the >>> project to move forward without the founder's undue >> influence. Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on >>> the >> project, >>> but in a different role. >>> >>> I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved >> with this >>> discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my >> intention to >>> divest myself of total authority over the project just as >>> stated in >> the >>> Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the >>> initial >>> formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > fulfillment >> of >>> Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on >> all >> decisions >>> before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > opinion >>> about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, >> however. >>> >>> I will be available as needed for information needed by the others > to >>> accomplish this transition but for the most part, just >> consider me >> as on >>> vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay >> out >>> of > the >>> way as much as possible. >>> >>> I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this. >>> Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. Yes, >> the >>> project is very dear to me and the result of many years of >>> blood, >> sweat, >>> and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours. >>> Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my >> past role >>> because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did everything. I >>> still do. >>> >>> There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload >> has >> gotten >>> to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around >> 60-100 >> changes >>> per week and really have no personal life left. It is more >>> than I >> can >>> do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to solve >> that >>> is to open the project up to others working as equals. The second, >> and >>> more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years >>> old >> now. >>> I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control >> this >> project >>> long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I really >> need >>> to detach and let the project take a life of its own that >> does not >>> depend on me in any way. >>> >>> I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, >> but >> rather >>> the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I >> am >> prepared >>> for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. >>> But I >> have >>> come to accept that that is a reasonable price
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted. Any other volunteers? Thanks, Junping Ted Dunning 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道： > Jumping, > > It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a > new day job would make me much less than a good mentor. > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 wrote: > > > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. > > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get > > volunteer here. > > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure > it > > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Junping > > > > Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > > > > > Hi, > > > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call > for a > > > vote. > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > > > > > > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > > > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks > to > > go > > > > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that > > that > > > > the > > > > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL > effect. > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought, > > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > I am optimistic. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt < > spudan...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > > > > > incubator, and > > > > > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and > > > allow > > > > > the > > > > > > project to move forward without the founder's undue > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on > > the > > > > > project, > > > > > > but in a different role. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved > with > > > this > > > > > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > > > > > intention to > > > > > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as > > stated > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the > > initial > > > > > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > > > > fulfillment > > > > > of > > > > > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on > all > > > > > decisions > > > > > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > > > > opinion > > > > > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the > > > others > > > > to > > > > > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just > consider > > > me > > > > > as on > > > > > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay > out > > of > > > > the > > > > > > way as much as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in > > > this. > > > > > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. > > > Yes, > > > > > the > > > > > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of > > blood, > > > > > sweat, > > > > > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long > > > hours. > > > > > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my > past > > > role > > > > > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did > > > everything. I > > > > > > still do. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload > has > > > > > gotten > > > > > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around > 60-100 > > > > > changes > > > > > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more > > than > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to > > > solve > > > > > that > > > > > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The > > > second, > > > > > and > > > > > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years > > old > > > > > now. > > > > > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control > this > > > > > project > > > > > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I > > > really > > > > > need > > > > > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that > does > > > not > > > > > > depend on me in any
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Jumping, It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a new day job would make me much less than a good mentor. On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 wrote: > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion. > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get > volunteer here. > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:) > > Thanks, > > Junping > > Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道： > > > Hi, > > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a > > vote. > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote: > > > > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to > go > > > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that > that > > > the > > > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect. > > > > > > > > Just a thought, > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote: > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > I am optimistic. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the > > > > incubator, and > > > > > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can > > > > demonstrate > > > > > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and > > allow > > > > the > > > > > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on > the > > > > project, > > > > > but in a different role. > > > > > > > > > > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with > > this > > > > > discussion because it pertains too closely to me. It is my > > > > intention to > > > > > divest myself of total authority over the project just as > stated > > in > > > > the > > > > > Proposal. Further, it is my intention to stay out of the > initial > > > > > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial > > > fulfillment > > > > of > > > > > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment." I intend to vote 0 on all > > > > decisions > > > > > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong > > > opinion > > > > > about some topic. I cannot imagine what topic that might be, > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > I will be available as needed for information needed by the > > others > > > to > > > > > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider > > me > > > > as on > > > > > vacation in place. I will help as much as needed and stay out > of > > > the > > > > > way as much as possible. > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in > > this. > > > > > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical. > > Yes, > > > > the > > > > > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of > blood, > > > > sweat, > > > > > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long > > hours. > > > > > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past > > role > > > > > because I was the ONLY person on the project. I did > > everything. I > > > > > still do. > > > > > > > > > > There are two things that motivate me: First, the workload has > > > > gotten > > > > > to be far too much for one person. I dispose of around 60-100 > > > > changes > > > > > per week and really have no personal life left. It is more > than > > I > > > > can > > > > > do (and much more than I can do well). The only real way to > > solve > > > > that > > > > > is to open the project up to others working as equals. The > > second, > > > > and > > > > > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years > old > > > > now. > > > > > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this > > > > project > > > > > long into the future. For my personal health and sanity, I > > really > > > > need > > > > > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does > > not > > > > > depend on me in any way. > > > > > > > > > > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but > > > > rather > > > > > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into. I am > > > > prepared > > > > > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle. > But I > > > > have > > > > > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a > clean > > > > > knife-edge hand-off. > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM Greg Stein wrote: > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems > on-board. Let them get their stuff done... Yes! Many thanks to Greg Nutt for your comments, to me this project looks ready to enter incubation, with some adjustments required during the journey towards graduation. That's what incubation is for. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Removal of old incubator releases
Hi, All the incubator releases of Dubbo project have been removed. Kind Regards, Jun > On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > It looks like you have some old incubator releases here: > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/ > > We’re cleaning up the release area and it would be great if you can remove > these old releases. > > If for some reason you need to link to an old release you can do so with a > link to the archive area under here: [1][2] > https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ > > Thanks, > Justin > > 1. https://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors#location > 2, https://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution.html#download-links > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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