cubation?" We've already been through
this process where incubated projects are not being clear about their
status; that needs to be captured and retained for ALL incubated projects.
But what pisses me off the most is that I raised this about wsrp4j a
couple weeks ago, but it
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:10:58PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 04:39:00 -0700
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> > > Anyway, please take a glance at
> > > http://ws.apache.org/
> > > ... section.
>
> > But what
anonymous or ViewCVS access
(like the cvspublic thing for cvs).
Is that what you were looking for? Anything else?
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of the "public face" for the ASF, but I'm not tightly involved with the
project.
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> consensus.
+1 to all parts.
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> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:52:43 -0700
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>...
> > As for the list changes, I thought I had made clear in my earlier note that
> > the request should come from the PMC.
>
> I do not think so
-project, if you will :-)
I believe the "output" of the project would fall under the auspices of the
infrastructure team. If it "feels big" and/or infrastructure is hinky
about taking it on, *then* we could find a different home.
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>...
> When the James project was initially looking at TLP status, Nicola Ken
> forwarded a message from Roy that included a comment to the effect that if
> Committers understood their legal exposure, they would demand TLP status,
> r
rely self-generated, rather
than any *actual* problem.
Have we actually seen legitimate complaints? Or just *belief* that they
will occur?
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> >> ...
> >> Appropriating the name "Geronimo" for
so they couldn't drop the audit checklists in there.
I'd suggest setting up cvs:committers/audits/ and putting the checklist in
there, maintained by the Incubator. Each PMC can then refer to it for
their work.
The Board can monitor what the PMCs are doing. If it looks like they're
taking
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> On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 03:23, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>...
> > In any case, you are free to post anything at any time, but this vote
> > will of course go on (and yes, it will last more than a couple of days,
> > being so important
That seems contrary to the purpose of the Incubator. The Incubator is for
*all* projects. It doesn't decide which ones stay with Incubator and which
go to other PMCs -- it takes them all until they are "done".
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brings in a product without going through the Incubator, then they are not
abiding by the wishes of the Board [defined by the construction of the
Incubator project].
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> On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> >
> > Ballot 2:
> >
> > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is
> > cur
proposal. (See below for the
> proposal and additional information.)
>
> [X] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation.
> [ ] 0 Abstain
> [ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation
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>...
> I don't want people nobody knows to walk in and become an officer of the
> board but someone has to know these people coming in. Ultimately we are
Have a little more faith in the Board than that, please. We're just as
concerned
we allow a week for nominations?
Yup.
> Then maybe a week for votes within the PMC?
72 hours is typical. I don't see much reason to draw it out.
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one to update the
> status file and then call a vote for exodus from the incubator.
How can they possibly exit if nobody is even aware of their *presence* in
the incubator? For all intents and purposes, Axion hasn't even "arrived"
at the ASF, so a vote for exit is way premature.
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>...
> [X] +1 - The SpamAssassin project has met the requirements
> for incubation and will be recommended to the
> board for TLP status
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> cvs module setup is sometimes delegated to the sponsoring PMC, I will make sure
> this is clarified before that step is taken. But please proceed with the
> preparations for Derby&
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> >and will change it if the PPMC objects. I already did the nameprotect
> >search and it is clean, and "Lepus californicus" (not kidding) happens
> >to reside in the same lands as the Apache tribes.
>
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 03:17:16AM -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> As with all of the other messages I've seen so far, I agree with switching
> the incubator CVS module to SVN, and making Subversion a strong
> recommendation, but not a requirement, for projects.
+1, all parts.
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> Greg Stein wrote:
> >I've put this onto the agenda.
> >
> >One comment though: where the heck did the text for the resolution come
> >from? This is like the third or fourth TLP resolution lately that
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 09:05:33AM +0200, Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 08:28, Greg Stein wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 12:54:55PM +0200, thorsten wrote:
> > > Greg Stein wrote:
> ...
> > In any case, the Board passed the resolution :-)
> >
>
hould be providing oversight to a *single* community. We've already
seen problems with PMCs trying to review too many distinct communities. It
just doesn't work. I realize that the DB PMC isn't an "umbrella" in the
same sense as XML or Jakarta, but that is merely because it
On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 01:58:40AM -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>...
> Derby is actively trying to expand the number and independence of their
> Committers, with an eye towards graduating from the Incubator.
They're missing a status report.
>...
> The list of projects in the Incubator is at
> ht
the past year or so.
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pache projects are run. The Board *has* authorized them with
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uot;It will hurt our users" is valid, but
how many and how badly will it hurt them? Can projects that use the
old namespace just stick to the old codebase? If they want new stuff,
then couldn't they just update their references?
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t meet the guidelines, then the
Incubator can certainly require that it be amended. But you should not
simply be able to kill it outright. Go to the Board for that because
the implication is that the PMC is not acting in the Foundation's best
interests, and THAT is for the Board to handle. No
Apache.
I think Forrest can be a great tool, but I don't think it is
appropriate for the Incubator. We've been fighting against it for a
LONG time now, and I think that (empirically) says that it just isn't
suitable for this PMC, its com
as of today, and we do not have a CLA from
> > Sergey Vladimirov.
>
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extremely tenuous argument. Especially in your scenario, where the
thing has been deleted [and someone has to go back to a prev rev].
FWIW, +1 on keeping history.
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 09:00:06AM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote:
> > As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board ?
> > must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way. ?
>
> That is a misconception.
..") over another
is exclusion, not inclusion.
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e more people play turf battles ("go into the service-mix turf"),
the worse the whole BPEL situation looks, and the more important it is
to stamp it out right here and now. And that is what the Incubator is
all about. Erase the lines and create a community that c
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:56:49PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> >On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 12:42:58PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> >>...
> >>Sybase wants to donate to the service-mix community and the
> >>
en BPEL is ready to
graduate, then we look at where it goes. Quite possibly Geronimo. But
what does it matter that Geronimo is the sponsor? Why are you so keyed
in on that?
I can clearly see benefits with "absence of ties". I don't see the
benefit of Geronimo sponsoring that you&
d an objective progress meter, then the Incubator is
about verifying process rather than needing to participate.
There is a definite need for the Incubator, but I think the people who
advocated it as a "community builder" need to reassess that concept.
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ne, I would expect the Incubator Chair (Jim) to start a
vote on adding you to the PMC. (technically, he could just add you :-), but
I suspect he'd want to take a vote first)
As with any PMC participation, it is usually based on demonstrable effort.
And I don't think you have to be on t
n't
a sponsor PMC to say "we'll take them when you're done".
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met the required steps/guides/"paperwork".
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gistical requirements have been met,
but "training" is too amorphous for me to deal with properly [in this
context].
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Thanks again to all who have helped resolve our licensing issues so far.
On 17.03.2003 21:00:50 Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 04:17:12PM +0100, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> > I've just received that email. The original author is willing to fax in
> > a grant. Question no
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:01:26PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project and not
> just an Apache branded extension of BEA? I really would like to see you
> guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the compromises Apache.
We are "safe
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>...
> 1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don't have the
> open source experience or robust community to pull that off (not intended to
> be a criticism)
There is no size minimum for a TLP, but I believe the B
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 08:43:36AM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote, On 04/07/2003 1.24:
> >On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> >>...
> >>1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don&#x
work.
>
> BTW, I'll be at OSCON all week, if anyone would like to discuss any
> issues further.
I'll be there tomorrow afternoon thru the end of the week...
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'incubator' and 'incubator-site' CVS modules.
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solicited, but non-binding and advisory..
My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
post-incubation.
I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
Incubator.
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ot parsing this one right. Did you mean "no ASL incompatible
dependencies in the code base" ?
>...
> Infrastructure
>project has a subsite of xml.apache.org
>project complies with ASF mirroring guidlines
>project is integrated with Gump
and/or Maven?
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> On 7/31/03 8:14 PM, "Greg Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:50:22PM -0700, Ted Leung wrote:
>...
> >>project is integrated with Gump
> >
> > and
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> eve
> ball rolling")
I was referring to the fact that it arrived with a note saying the WS PMC
had accepted the project, when they hadn't even heard of the thing.
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> ball rolling")
I was referring to the fact that it arrived with a note saying the WS PMC
had accepted the project, when they hadn't even heard of the thing.
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> eve
more about this project or if you would like to become involved,
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when Jim is going to be back online; would need to dig that up.
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onent? Or a separate command
to run? Different config/param somewhere?
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It's a bug in CVS Forrest's handling of 0.4-vintage sites, which I fixed
> last night. Please 'cd xml-forrest; cvs update ; ./build.sh'
That worked for me! Thanks, Jeff.
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> jean-frederic clere wrote:
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> >Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Two mailing lists have been set up for Apache Geronimo:
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Paul, Richard,
*Everybody* can vote. Definitely and absolutely. The community's opinion and
feedback is just as important as the people on the PMC or Board. The only
difference is which ones are officially counted (i.e. "binding").
Cheers,
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 07:06:47PM +0100, Paul Hamman
[on login] to enable group-write on the files
in /www/incubator.apache.org. It is making it very difficult for others to
update the site :-)
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On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:48:53AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:48 AM, James Strachan wrote:
> >So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to
> >help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of
> >geronimo I'd like to
ld/site/bylaws.html, my regeneration made the META header
tag specify UTF-8, but then the autopublish reverted it back to ISO-8859-1.
It sounds like the autopublisher is using some old version of Forrest. I'm
working from HEAD. I also have no local modifications or user-specific
conf
is linked to, so only v2 ends up on the website:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/forms/
Well... let's just toss it from version control. No need to continue to
propagate an incorrect form. In any case, we have an archived/historical
copy stored elsewhere for posterity.
Is it as simp
cer to roll out with a lot of preparation, but it just
wasn't doable.
The huge amount of interest also caught everybody by surprise. I certainly
didn't expect to see about a hundred people respond in the first day or two.
(Woah!)
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stick to plain text for now.
Agreed.
All that said, Henri is right, though. Geir/James needs to start on a STATUS
file just like the other Incubator projects.
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uncements are a dime a dozen. Apache code on this project has yet
> > to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla
> > bla. I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS
> > NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman&
August 20th, where we'll (hopefully)
review the minutes and approve them. At that point, they can be posted to
the web site (see http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html).
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:06:06AM +0100, James Strachan wrote:
> There's a new project starting at the Incubator and we'd like a CVS
> repository setup please. I've attached the project proposal below.
>
> CVS repository name: geronimo
>
> Initial committer list (of existing Apache committers):
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:42:08PM -0400, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
>...
>
Get real, Vic.
The ASF Board chose to start a J2EE project. Only *after* that happened, did
we inform Sun. They had no part in the decision process. Further, the Board
chose to start a J2EE for many reasons, none of which invo
ll go through without
being held. In short, that means you can subscribe just one address, but use
any of your addresses to post. Every new address will require a moderation,
but from then on, it should be fine.
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Two mailing lists have been set up for Apache Geronimo:
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These are standard EZMLM mailing lists. You can subscribe to them by sending
email to one/both of the following addresses:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 12:53:13PM -0400, Daniel F. Savarese wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Stein writes:
> >As you may have heard by now, the Apache Software Foundation has initiated a
> >project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed implementation
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:28:08PM -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have received a request from Sacha Labourey (from the JBoss group) to
> > review the existing code in our J2EE project to check whether there any IP
> > issue
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:34:49AM +0200, Sander Striker wrote:
> > From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:39 AM
>
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:01:53PM +0100, Paul Hammant wrote:
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > >
one know if a similar cron job exists for incubator-site, or does
> someone have to do a 'cvs update' in daedalus manually?
I just go and update manually whenever I make a change.
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> use them as desired (or not).
"member of this incubation team" is anybody who wishes to participate. You
don't need any special dispensation. As Andy would say, "just do it!" :-)
Or, in short, you're already on
r is a separate commit.
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> I've 755'd all in my name. I think that is enough..
Yup. Looks good, thanks.
Altho... I just discovered that Nicola Ken has got some bad files down in
there, too. He just needs to toss projects/DELETE-ME-ftpserver.
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> entity delegated by the board for such, then they should
> have the decision who is the chair. The board can appoint
> whoever they want, but the recommendation/selection is
> from the PMC.
>
> It's been that way, IIRC, for just about every other PMC (HTTPD,
> APR, etc..
Incubator site itself needs assistance...
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to be a burden upon dev@, should a -user mailing list be created.
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down the project's web pages. I would
*seriously* recommend that wsrp4j people fix those pages. ASAP. The
project's arrival in the Incubator is suspect enough, so I'm not really
all that willing to give it slack. Fix it or it gets yanked.
-g
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Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:19:50PM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
> ...
> > To what document do I need to add rule that says "a project ABSOLUTELY
> > MUST make clear that it is under incubation?"
>
> If we kept all incubated projects unde
We already have a web interface to the voting (h/t Joe), but I bet
there is quite a bit more to what you're asking. We're pretty low on
dev time :-/ ...
Volunteers are certainly welcome! We've got some ideas in motion, but
can certainly use help.
Thx,
-g
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Marvin H
Apache doesn't "need" to develop anything. But if there is a community that
wants to work on a project under the ASF umbrella, then the Foundation is
happy to help them.
Cheers,
-g
On Sep 2, 2013 11:53 AM, "Jordan Zimmerman"
wrote:
> Why does Apache need to develop this? There are many ASP-based
for branding of your podling.
Your MENTORS should have been helping with this :-(
Regards,
Greg Stein
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:06:45PM -0700, Shreepadma Venugopalan wrote:
> The Apache Sentry team is happy to announce the release of Apache Sentry
> 1.2.0.
>
> Apache Sentry is a syste
ache Sentry.
> It also has the required disclaimer. We'll be more diligent in the future.
>
> Regards,
> Shreepadma
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> ATTENTION
>>
>> I have rejected this announcement from the annou...@apach
For committership, that is typical. Most PMCs allow a veto for adding
new members to the PMC.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> Good Lord man all you need to add is a one-sentence
> statement that personnel votes are consensus votes not
> procedural (simple majority) votes
On Oct 3, 2013 12:52 PM, "Joseph Schaefer" wrote:
>...
> e.g. how to vote properly
> on personnel issues, and that should entirely suffice. Even Greg
> doesn't seem to know what consensus voting means in this context,
Really, Joe? Why did you throw that in? I know what consensus voting is. I
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