Re: [VOTE] [PROPOSAL] Allura to enter the Incubator

2012-06-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: Hi, We are proposing Allura to be admitted to the Apache Incubator, and would like to request that the IPMC votes on this issue. The requisite 72 hours has passed since the initial proposal. The proposal may be found

Re: svn commit: r1354707 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/allura.xml

2012-06-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 28, 2012 3:26 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Sorry Rich, that extra information in the mailing lists section cannot be parsed by Clutch. Perhaps move it to the News section. Also, the tracker is the eventual ASF tracker that is intended. There

Re: svn commit: r1354707 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/allura.xml

2012-06-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Jun 28, 2012 9:18 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Greg Stein wrote: David Crossley wrote: Also, the tracker is the eventual ASF tracker that is intended. There is no requirement to run the issue tracker on ASF hardware, so the link to SF.net is just fine. Ah

Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 2, 2012 11:20 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... From the SVN history it looks like there are quite a few of those others who have done work on the code in the past, is there a reason they aren't on

Re: Board will be proposing a new TLP

2012-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 2, 2012 12:45 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ... I hope that someone can help me understand the current thinking about the vibrant community aspect that seems to be a requirement for incubation/TLP admission. The underlying requirement is an open, inclusive, long-term

Re: [VOTE] Retire AWF from incubation

2012-07-04 Thread Greg Stein
+1 (binding) On Jul 4, 2012 5:19 PM, Roger Schildmeijer schildmei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The AWF community has voted to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. (Will be open for 72 hours). [ ] +1 Retire

Re: About cc'ing general@ or private@ in votes

2012-07-10 Thread Greg Stein
No worries, Simone. Not your issue at all. The private@incubator.a.o list has recently seen a huge influx of voting emails. I'm not surprised to see Jukka provide some guidance. Cheers, -g On Jul 10, 2012 9:16 AM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi Jukka, it sounds like a good

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-07-26 Thread Greg Stein
Jukka, Your dates are incorrect. We intend to have a regular Board meeting on the 15th, and an abbreviated in-person meeting on the 28th. Cheers, Greg Stein Director, ASF On Jul 26, 2012 12:16 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The standard podling report deadline

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-07-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... We've had a couple of other cases of also other shepherd's missing their reviews. I've tried to cover up the best I can by reviewing and at least classifying all reports on which no shepherd feedback is seen, but

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 6, 2012 7:07 PM, Gary Martin gary.mar...@wandisco.com wrote: ... The vote will be open for at least 72 hours and therefore ends after 11pm UTC on Thursday 9th August. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 [ ] +0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package (please

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:14 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... This looks similar to the Syncope release vote thats also happening right now in that the source distribution includes things like JQuery but doesn't mention that in the LICENSE file. I'm a bit surprised people are

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh i'm pretty sure we _don't_ allow things like (L)GPL dependencies in Incubator releases, we allow them in the source in SVN but i don't recall

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... Gosh i'm pretty sure we _don't_ allow things like (L)GPL dependencies in Incubator releases, we allow them in the source in SVN but i don't recall any releases like that. As I replied to Marvin, Apache Roller had a hard

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 (incubating)

2012-08-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... You can look at the archives back in 2006 when it was incubating. In particular, there is one sent to private@incubator that I would refer you to: http

Re: [RT] a minimal set of docs for incubator.apache.org

2012-08-08 Thread Greg Stein
Commit the content. Otherwise, we're just hand-waving. On Aug 8, 2012 5:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Like others, I'm not too happy with the current http://incubator.apache.org/ content. How about starting a new, minimal set of docs that are more

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries. As Marvin has said: source releases are the primary release mechanism. Binaries are and should be a distant second. I would also state that continuing to argue

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a failure to understand and integrate with the Foundation's thoughts on the matter

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument - Marvin said: If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard requirement, then it seems to me that the ASF is not yet ready

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
Rob: I believe it is rather foolish to argue that Roy is incorrect. For starters, he wrote the Bylaws, and is well-versed in the intent of this Foundation. Second, the Foundation policies take precedence over third-party concepts, so whether you/OSI may define a binary as open source is wholly

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 20, 2012 5:06 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: ... -1 I object to the claim that the AOO binaries are officially part of this release: ... I am not surprised at your response, but it is hard and unproductive to argue

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin. This is an unreasonable request. The IPMC voted on the 3.4.0 release. The notice file

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
Joe: that is what is being discussed. Blessed binaries. Go back to Dennis' email for the need for these. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: WHAT PROBLEM? THERE IS NO PROBLEM HERE, CURRENT POLICY FULLY COVERS WHAT AOO ACTUALLY DOES. END OF DISCUSSION.

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and recorded via the ordinary

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely. If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn about the ASF. -g

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. To summarize my understanding: * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. Agreed. * The project is looking for ways to

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: ... But recall in all this that even when the PMC releases code, it is signed by the individual RM, and not by the PMC itself. Apache Subversion releases tend to have a half-dozen signatures. Thus, I'd say they are signed by the

Re: Bloodhound status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of September2012 by GaryMartin)

2012-09-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sep 13, 2012 5:58 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... Do you have a rough idea of how close you are to graduation in terms of community diversity and activity? A brief look at list archives and commit logs shows fairly active discussions (both on the list and on the issue

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
I've read this entire thread (whew!), and would actually like to throw out a contrary position: No signed keys. Consider: releases come from the ASF, not a person. The RM builds the release artifacts and checks them into version control along with hash checksums. Other PMC members validate the

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Greg Stein wrote on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 19:44:30 -0400: I've read this entire thread (whew!), and would actually like to throw out a contrary position: No signed keys. Consider: releases come from the ASF

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Ian Holsman i...@holsman.com.au wrote: On Oct 11, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: (assume secure Infrastructure) That's a pretty big assumption isn't it? Empirically, we've had break-ins, so we can assume it will happen again. But now

Re: key signing

2012-10-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Greg Stein wrote on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 21:14:15 -0400: ... My point is that our instructions to users don't really incorporoate the notions of keys, and (thus) provide near-zero utility. For such So, provide

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1. A number of people think that all mentors should have been signing all reports all along, so that changing the template as part of clarifying this is not a big deal. Sure. The mentors should be part of the

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-08 Thread Greg Stein
Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years. *shrug* ... whatever you want to do. I just wanted to speak up that you appeared to be conflating the mentor and shepherd roles (as they had been defined over the past couple months). If you *intend* to combine them

Re: Shepherd Assignments?

2012-11-12 Thread Greg Stein
Lame duck! Lame duck! ... oh, excuse me. ;-) On Nov 12, 2012 7:47 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not installed yet :-) Jukka? On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Benson / Jukka - I'm waiting for my shepherd assignments.

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
+1 to release (IPMC, binding) [ apologies for the extreme delay :-( ] On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Joachim Dreimann joachim.dreim...@wandisco.com wrote: Hi, I would like to request the beginning of the vote for the second release of Apache Bloodhound in the incubator following the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match the .tar.gz. (I did not examine the signature (.asc) to see if it matches the .tar.gz) On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to release (IPMC, binding) [ apologies

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Nov 14, 2012 2:13 PM, Alexander Broekhuis a.broekh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2012/11/14 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match the .tar.gz. (I did not examine the signature (.asc) to see if it matches

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.2 (incubating)

2012-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
I've confirmed this discrepancy is the same as what Alexander Broekhuis posted about, as noted in INFRA-5445. So 0.2 is all good to go!! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. Forgot one item: so the below is conditional on resolving: the .md5 does not match

Re: Your Bloodhound is calling you

2012-12-01 Thread Greg Stein
Well aware, thank you. On Dec 1, 2012 12:39 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Hyrum and Greg, The bloodhound project is trying to make a release. You gents are listed as mentors. Could you please find the time to check out and vote appropriately on their release? --benson

Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-22 Thread Greg Stein
Nobody should **EVER** revert another's commit. That is a truly horrible suggestion. The original committer should revise/revert. Nobody else. -g (sorry; tablet; abbreviated) On Dec 21, 2012 8:12 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: My belief is that the policy changed a long

Re: First attempt at January2013 report template

2012-12-29 Thread Greg Stein
Looks good. btw: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2013 On Dec 29, 2012 6:42 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com

Re: Thoughts about formalizing the role of shepherd

2013-01-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 13, 2013 11:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... Next down are the 'vice-chairs', currently known as the shepherds. Each of these people is responsible for a group of projects, dispersed across the reporting cycle. The shepherd, at least, tunes into the reports, but

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-17 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Ryan Ollos ryan.ol...@wandisco.com wrote: ... Please vote: [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Bloodhound 0.4 [ ] +0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package (please explain) +1 (binding; Mentor)

Re: Getting IPMC members to vote Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
For argument's sake, let's say two. That is the specified/recommended minimum. Thus, the IPMC must contribute an additional +1. Thus, it can totally block podling releases thru its laziness and inactivity. Sounds broken. -g On Jan 23, 2013 5:22 PM, Dave Fisher w...@apache.org wrote: How many

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 24, 2013 2:53 AM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ... The proposed idea is in its very early stage of conception, so any discussion, even if completely against it (but with good reasons), will be appreciated as well as any pointer to related on going efforts in any project.

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 24, 2013 5:41 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ...Maybe you may suggest me the appropriate forum as well As you don't seem to have code or a community yet, and there was

Re: no shepherds assignments this time?

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
Or... take the initiative. At the Board level, the shepherds are the default liaison between the Board and the PMC. But all Directors review all reports. There is nothing which limits IPMC Members to review only the reports assigned to them as shepherds. Just start reviewing. Don't wait for

Re: no shepherds assignments this time?

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
I will note, as Vice Chairman, I've performed shepherd assignments when Doug was buried. (we have a handy script that I wrote long ago, after starting the shepherd process; makes it easy to share the task) Point is: maybe somebody who is familiar with the IPMC shepherd process could step in and

Re: Report verbiage

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Feb 13, 2013 3:39 PM, Matt Franklin m.ben.frank...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone feel inclined to communicate anything to the board except 'here's the usual podling-by-podling report' Do any of the directors

Re: Report verbiage

2013-02-14 Thread Greg Stein
to be in good shape the actual line by line podling reports are unimportant other than being the outputs of the incubator project. Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 13 Feb 2013 23:40, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 2013 3:39 PM, Matt

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
My concern is that we're looking at two new committers, rather than a Curator community. Following normal Incubator work, Curator would build a community for itself. But then we'd have a community *distinct* from that of Zookeeper. And it really looks like this should be part of Zookeeper itself

Re: [PROPOSAL] Provisionr join the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Andrei Savu as...@apache.org wrote: ... ### Mailing lists * provisionr-private * provisionr-dev * provisionr-user A user list is not recommended for a new community. That only serves to divide a limited number of people. Your users should be involved on the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Patrick Hunt ph...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: So isnt this similar to HCatalog which relying on Hive metadata service that ends up as sub project of Apache Hive? I was against having

No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-26 Thread Greg Stein
I concur with Chris, and want to strengthen/meta the point. The Incubator should not be used for projects which are intended to become part of an existing TLP. The Incubator *creates* Apache-style communities. But... Stop. For these, we don't want a separate/new community. They are supposed to be

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Mar 1, 2013 8:33 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: I concur with Chris, and want to strengthen/meta the point. The Incubator should not be used for projects which are intended to become part

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Bloodhound from Incubator

2013-03-09 Thread Greg Stein
Ollos rjol...@apache.org * Mark Poole mpo...@apache.org * Greg Stein gst...@apache.org * Hyrum K. Wright hwri...@apache.org * Jure Žitnik j...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Gary Martin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Bloodhound, to serve

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Mar 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Mar 9, 2013 9:06 PM, Branko Čibej br...@wandisco.com wrote: On 10.03.2013 03:31, Greg Stein wrote: I didn't sign it because I expected changes regarding graduation... Well, given that the end of the graduation vote and the report deadline coincide, I decided to just leave the report

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Bloodhound from Incubator

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Stein
%3E- if so, just linking to the discussion is fine. Kalle On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joachim Dreimann jdreim...@apache.org wrote: +1 (non-binding) - Joe On 10 March 2013 02:30, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) On Mar 9, 2013 6:32 PM, Gary Martin

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-03-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: ... I don't believe we should force an announce@ list on anybody. But I do think it might be a good idea to mention a few of the standard lists that projects might consider requesting. No strong opinion. Generally, I don't

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Chris proposes that this committee recommend its own demise to the board, to be

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Ant is reflecting a real dilemma here. At Apache, we try to be egalitarian, and we try to work by consensus. The natural conclusion is that the many people needed to vote on releases are also part of the

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22 nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: As I see it, the incubator as we have it is a mechanism for coping with the lack of mentor commitment. As Ross often writes, it's easy to say that Mentors *should* make this commitment, but mentors are volunteers,

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 4 April 2013 09:06, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm

Re: [PROPOSAL] TL;DR editors

2013-04-09 Thread Greg Stein
It is not your job. You are one of many of the IPMC. You also happen to be the liaison to the Board. On Apr 9, 2013 9:39 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I assume that you will take that role for this thread. Some people might claim that this is my job in general. However, my

Re: April report filed

2013-04-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And

Re: April report filed

2013-04-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ... On the other hand, since we're a volunteer organization, a better message here would be that people *can* take responsibility, not that they *should* do so. If there aren't enough people with enough free cycles

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wicket into the Incubator

2006-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
with the request-response nature of the HTTP protocol. will really help. The web *is* request/response. Whatever. ETIMEOUT. -0 (binding) Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wicket into the Incubator

2006-08-24 Thread Greg Stein
voted -0 based on the information I was pointed out, which (as you said) is not a very good comparison point. *shrug* Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: what wicket is (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept Wicket into the Incubator)

2006-08-25 Thread Greg Stein
actually *get* those votes, rather than people being quiet, too afraid to counter the majority. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Greg Stein
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Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-19 Thread Greg Stein
themselves together to produce a release. I've seen long-time Apache folks who know what's going on still have difficulty pulling the community together. Food for thought... Cheers, -g On 10/19/06, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without question, Harmony knows how to manage its legal bits

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-19 Thread Greg Stein
burrell donkin wrote: On 10/18/06, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You said that you have run Tomcat on top of Harmony. Why can't you produce a release such that I can throw the Tomcat jar at it, too? Sure, it is a developer release, but it let's non-Harmony folks play with your project

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Greg Stein
that would be busy work with no utility. Fair answer, but I will note that nobody has made a clear statement like that. Talked around the issue, but never directly answered. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org

Re: Forrest? Trees?

2006-10-20 Thread Greg Stein
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Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
not interested in... this is a volunteer system. I'm participating in the Incubator, not Harmony. Sure, Harmony is part of it, but trying to say that I must now participate in harmony-dev to have a say? Bull. The binding voters are on *this* list, or on our private list. -g -- Greg Stein, http

Re: October 2006 Incubator Board Report

2006-10-24 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/21/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Projects have included their start date and one line description at the Board's request. Please note that this has always been available at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/. Thanks! And yes... we knew about that, but we felt

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-24 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/24/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Stein wrote: The Incubator is about verification, not participation. I think Geir is wrong in trying to lever IPMC members into more project involvement. We are here as volunteers to oversee the process, not participate

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-24 Thread Greg Stein
. It isn't that formal. We all know what's going on. A vote happens here, a resolution passes there. 'nuf said. ... Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove. +1 -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe

Re: JiniProposal - BraintreeProposal

2006-10-25 Thread Greg Stein
again, it can change again. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Cayenne to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-12-01 Thread Greg Stein
The name would be Apache Cayenne Project. Please fix before submitting to the Board. There is some stupid virus of a template showing these as Apache Foo PMC which has to stop. People should really look at actual resolutions that the Board approves, not what gets sent in. We sometimes tweak

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Cayenne to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-12-08 Thread Greg Stein
the board minutes: http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2005/ board_minutes_2005_05_18.txt Anybody can point to a better template? Thanks Andrus On Dec 2, 2006, at 4:51 AM, Greg Stein wrote: The name would be Apache Cayenne Project. Please fix before submitting to the Board

Re: release voting

2006-12-19 Thread Greg Stein
to the carpet and demand an explanation. If he had a good one, then alright. That's how it works. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: September 2007 Incubator Board Report

2007-09-17 Thread Greg Stein
/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: September 2007 Incubator Board Report

2007-09-17 Thread Greg Stein
comfortable with it being added, I will defer to your judgement. I just did my reviews and it wasn't in there, so +1 for not accepting. -- justin Having already reviewed it while it lived at incubator, I'm giving Greg my 100% backing to accept or not, his call. -- Greg Stein, http

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Greg Stein
I don't find the name provocative either, but the connotations are a bit weird :-P On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Cutting wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
+1 I'll make the edits. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: --- Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the Incubator private list. The notice is a separate

Re: Third-party dependencies in CouchDB

2009-08-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 23:15, Curt Arnoldcarn...@apache.org wrote: Noah Slater | 9 Aug 12:42 wrote: I think this is a poor summary. Your thread was taken seriously, and people responded, but as far as I knew, discussion was still ongoing. The way you've worded it could lead people into

Re: Dum Question

2003-03-12 Thread Greg Stein
steps/guides/paperwork. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dum Question

2003-03-13 Thread Greg Stein
for me to deal with properly [in this context]. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:01:26PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project and not just an Apache branded extension of BEA? I really would like to see you guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the compromises Apache. We are safe in

Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: ... 1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don't have the open source experience or robust community to pull that off (not intended to be a criticism) There is no size minimum for a TLP, but I believe the

Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-08 Thread Greg Stein
week, if anyone would like to discuss any issues further. I'll be there tomorrow afternoon thru the end of the week... Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j

2003-07-31 Thread Greg Stein
binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing post-incubation. I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this arrived at the Incubator. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j

2003-08-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Greg Stein wrote: ... I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this arrived at the Incubator. miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that everything was done and the actual incubation inception

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j

2003-08-01 Thread Greg Stein
that it arrived with a note saying the WS PMC had accepted the project, when they hadn't even heard of the thing. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:

2003-08-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Greg Stein wrote: ... I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this arrived at the Incubator. miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that everything was done and the actual incubation inception

Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts

2003-08-06 Thread Greg Stein
this project or if you would like to become involved, please send email to the incubator mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On behalf of the Apache Geronimo Team, Greg Stein, Chairman of the Apache Software Foundation -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list

2003-08-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:48:53AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:48 AM, James Strachan wrote: So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of geronimo I'd like to

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